January 04, 2018

“Tesla is a scam”: How you’re paying for these cars — even if you don’t buy one

Ezra LevantRebel Commander


Buying a Tesla is the ultimate virtue-signal.

I mean, sure, its batteries may be charged by fossil-fuel-burning power plants, and those batteries are made from amongst the world's most toxic substances.

But the whole point of a Tesla isn’t transportation, or environmentalism. It’s telling the world you have a Tesla. So it works.

Except not really.

The real cost of a Telsa is way over $100,000. But you’ll get $14,000 back from the government if you buy one.

So, it’s a subsidy from working class normals to virtue-signalling richie-riches. So they can show off how much they care.

Now here’s today’s news:

Elon Musk had announced a new Tesla Model 3, one that's more affordable.

It would only cost US$35,000, which is $44,000 Canadian.

Musk — he’s no dummy — says you could “reserve yours now” for just $1,000. And more than half a million people did! That's half a billion dollars.

Except in the last quarter of 2017:

"Tesla delivered 29,870 vehicles, of which 15,200 were Model S, 13,120 were Model X, and 1,550 were Model 3.”

They delivered 1,550. In three months. That’s 17 a day.

At this rate, it will take 83 years for Musk to fulfill all of his orders.

Tesla is a scam in so many ways.

But they're not the only ones:

Tonight I'll look at a bunch of other "progressive" companies that are scammers, too, like Apple and Loblaws.

Isn’t it funny — the noisier CEOs are about how noble they are, the more self-serving and corrupt...?

TONIGHT'S GUESTS: Senior Edmonton Sun columnist Lorne Gunter joins me to talk about the Alberta NDP's carbon tax; then our own John Cardillo talks about the war of words between President Trump and his former advisor, Steve Bannon — and what this means for the future of Breitbart.com

FINALLY: Your messages to me!

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commented 2018-01-08 02:03:25 -0500
Actually, that was four times… Desperation?…
commented 2018-01-07 16:25:34 -0500
Ken Martinson… Re-pasting your faulty comments three times again above my comment doesn’t make them any more valid…
commented 2018-01-07 13:12:33 -0500
“Paul McCullough commented 2018-01-05 13:52:02 -0500
- “The car batteries used in a Tesla generate as much CO2 as driving a gasoline-powered car for eight years. And that’s before they even come off the production line.” – ”http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/“>http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/ –”

I find it interesting that the absolute worst case, Breitbart endorsed scenario, is an 8 year ROI period. That’s actually not bad.

Moreover, lithium is like aluminum – most of the energy goes into initial purification from raw materials. It’s solution mined so you need to evaporate the brine, and electrolyzing the lithium carbonate to elemental Li is very energy intensive – its light weight (it’s the third element, after hydrogen and helium) and high electronegativity means it takes a lot of power to make a gram of Li, though this property is also why it’s so useful in batteries. . Recycling uses a fraction of the energy. Which is to say, that as the supply chain matures, that number will come down. A lot.
commented 2018-01-07 09:42:28 -0500
Ezra is off to a cranky start to the year.
And some of his facts are off.
1. In a year from now Tesla should be producing 5000 model 3 cars a week, compared with 150 now.
2. If a government in Canada gives a subsidy to the purchaser of a car, Tesla sees none of that.
3. Fossil fuels are finite, so the world will move to electric cars one day. One of tesla’s goals is to speed up this change.
4. The model S is the best production car of all time.
commented 2018-01-07 09:42:26 -0500
Ezra is off to a cranky start to the year.
And some of his facts are off.
1. In a year from now Tesla should be producing 5000 model 3 cars a week, compared with 150 now.
2. If a government in Canada gives a subsidy to the purchaser of a car, Tesla sees none of that.
3. Fossil fuels are finite, so the world will move to electric cars one day. One of tesla’s goals is to speed up this change.
4. The model S is the best production car of all time.
commented 2018-01-07 09:42:23 -0500
Ezra is off to a cranky start to the year.
And some of his facts are off.
1. In a year from now Tesla should be producing 5000 model 3 cars a week, compared with 150 now.
2. If a government in Canada gives a subsidy to the purchaser of a car, Tesla sees none of that.
3. Fossil fuels are finite, so the world will move to electric cars one day. One of tesla’s goals is to speed up this change.
4. The model S is the best production car of all time.
commented 2018-01-07 09:41:59 -0500
Ezra is off to a cranky start to the year.
And some of his facts are off.
1. In a year from now Tesla should be producing 5000 model 3 cars a week, compared with 150 now.
2. If a government in Canada gives a subsidy to the purchaser of a car, Tesla sees none of that.
3. Fossil fuels are finite, so the world will move to electric cars one day. One of tesla’s goals is to speed up this change.
4. The model S is the best production car of all time.
commented 2018-01-07 02:47:06 -0500
Your comments re Tesla cars Ken Martinson include several assumptions and one blustery “skirting” of reality… Fossil fuels are finite but not for hundreds of years when it comes to Canada’s fossil fuel resources… As to what will be the popular fuel choice then, you assuming it to be “electric”, is presumptuous… It may well be “Star Trek dilithium crystals” by then… By the way, and simple economics 101, if the government subsidizes Tesla purchases then it gives them an artificial marker share…
commented 2018-01-06 22:45:57 -0500
Ezra is off to a cranky start to the year.
And some of his facts are off.
1. In a year from now Tesla should be producing 5000 model 3 cars a week, compared with 150 now.
2. If a government in Canada gives a subsidy to the purchaser of a car, Tesla sees none of that.
3. Fossil fuels are finite, so the world will move to electric cars one day. One of tesla’s goals is to speed up this change.
4. The model S is the best production car of all time.
commented 2018-01-06 11:23:02 -0500
Electric cars are cold hearted. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/cold-weather-driving.64591/Location:Ottawa, Canada
#1Doug_G, Jan 15, 2015
I’m currently driving my Model S through its third Canadian winter. I thought it might be helpful to discuss some of my “lessons learned” about driving the Model S in the cold.

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Feeling a little cold soaked…

Model S Performance in the Cold

You can walk up to your totally cold soaked car, hop in, and drive away. You don’t need to warm it up. It won’t chug and cough like a gas car; it’ll just glide away. The cabin heat will even come up pretty quickly. No fuss, no muss.

That said, there are a few differences in the way the car drives after it’s been sitting in a frozen wasteland (aka parking lot) all day.

When the battery pack is below freezing the car will not permit charging, as this will damage the cells. One side-effect of this is that you also lose your regenerative brakes. This is shown by the yellow dotted line on the speedometer. If the car has cold soaked below freezing you may have no regenerative brakes whatsoever. Pay attention, because the car will really really coast – this can be very surprising the first time!!! You’ll have to use the conventional brakes until the car warms up.

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The dreaded yellow line

If the battery pack is extremely cold, you will also have a power limit. This isn’t usually much of an issue because if it’s that cold, it’s hard to go full throttle without spinning the tires. Cold rubber on frozen pavement doesn’t make for great traction. So this is really more of a curiosity than anything.

The battery pack has a heater. It’s necessary so the car can charge in the cold. When you start driving a cold car the pack heater turns on, and it can draw up to 6 kW. So can the cabin heater. Simply sitting at a stop sign you’re drawing enough power to go over 40 mph. Fortunately it does get better as the car warms up!

Cold versus Range

When the batteries are extremely cold, there will be a little bit of range loss, which is shown by a blue segment on the charge bar. As the batteries warm up that “lost” range will come back, so it’s not really lost! The car has to be very cold for this to happen.

Obviously energy needed for heating reduces your range. If the car is cold soaked this can have a big effect on your total range. Starting out with a warmer car can make a big difference to how far you can drive. We’ll talk about preheating in a moment.

You will also experience reduced range due to increased aerodynamic drag. Drag moving through the air is the dominant impact on the car’s range at any temperature – and it gets worse in the cold. Cooler, denser air is harder to push out of the way. There is also a small effect due to the tires having worse rolling resistance, but aerodynamic effects are much larger.

(Tip: Safely drafting a large truck has an even more dramatic impact on range in the winter. Do not tailgate; keep a safe following distance and you will still see improvement. Note however that strong crosswinds will adversely affect the effectiveness of drafting.)

Cabin Heat

The Model S cabin heater has two (hidden) modes. If the drive train is cold, all heat comes via resistive heaters, which can draw up to about 6 kW. That’s a lot of power.

As you drive the car, the drive train will naturally heat up. Once that happens, Model S uses the drive train coolant to help heat the cabin. Essentially it takes waste heat from the motor and inverter and uses that to heat the cabin. This makes a huge difference to the power consumption – a fully warmed-up car will only need 1-2 kW to keep the cabin warm even in extreme cold conditions. In comparison, the original Tesla Roadster needs 4 kW to keep its tiny cabin not-terribly-warm using only resistive heaters. This is a big advantage of Model S engineering that Tesla never talks about!

The upshot here is that cabin heater power consumption gets better quite dramatically after you’ve been driving for a while.

Seat Heaters

Seat heaters are essentially free. They use miniscule amounts power compared to the cabin heater. Use them liberally. Crank up the seat heaters, and lower the cabin temperature a little. You’ll save a bunch of energy for driving.
commented 2018-01-05 17:25:11 -0500
Just like Windbag today attacking Tim Hortons for cutting cost after her government shoved these minimum wage increases up their ass . Not like they weren’t told by business people before they raised the wage . But we know the Liberals don’t listen to anyone . Windbag is the bully not the business people trying to stay profitable
As for Tesla this is where all these carbon taxes are funding , what a rip off .
commented 2018-01-05 16:39:52 -0500
J Kay, thanks for the link. I enjoyed the interview.
commented 2018-01-05 13:52:02 -0500
- “The car batteries used in a Tesla generate as much CO2 as driving a gasoline-powered car for eight years. And that’s before they even come off the production line.” – http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/ – The green movement is a scam from top to bottom. It’s been that way since at least the 1970s.

- Want to kill a civilization? One way to do it is to destroy the energy that powers it. Everywhere where there is a socialist-globalist government we see the same thing – destroy the energy sector, destroy rights, raise debt as much as possible, raise taxes as much as possible, mass migration, etc.

- I have once heard it said that leading conservatives is like trying to herd cats. Conservatives don’t have the same hive mind as collectivist “progressives” do. The war of words between Trump & Bannon is a reflection of this.
commented 2018-01-05 13:07:04 -0500
Trump has by his own choice, surrounded himself with globalists, to the point where his administration seems to be part of the swamp. Bannon was against the war mongering foreign-policy interventionism of America, which Trump and his globalist cabinet are continuiing. The feud between them is basically a war of ideas. I hope that Bannon will not be destroyed and will continue to fight for the people.
commented 2018-01-05 13:05:24 -0500
Nikola Tesla was one of the few Great Men of the world.
He died sick and in poverty, betrayed and robbed, his genius exploited, his papers all stolen by the FBI.
Now his good name is being dragged through the crony capitalist greeny-mud by these scam artists and hucksters!
It’s shameful.
commented 2018-01-05 12:41:10 -0500
J KAY commented 2018-01-05 11:13:35 -0500 Thank You J Kay
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commented 2018-01-05 12:26:15 -0500
Am I the only one here that doesn’t know who in the heck is David Heinz ?
commented 2018-01-05 11:19:15 -0500
Notley with her inflated heating costs can play Marie Antoinette- Let them eat cake. Except her lefty and oh-so-compassionate pal, Galen Weston has artificially raised the price. Let them eat dirt.

The sad part is that Canadians never seem to learn their lessons. The NDP and Liberals will continue to be voted in forever. I guess we haven’t yet had enough pain.
commented 2018-01-05 11:13:35 -0500
For those posting the same comment multiple times, if yours doesn’t appear to be loading, it probably is. Re-log on to Ezra’s show and you’ll most likely see that it has.
commented 2018-01-05 10:54:35 -0500
Breaking: Margaret Wente over at the Globe and Mail site has written an opinion piece entitled "Mr. Trudeau’s Judgment and the company he keeps. As Bruce Willis might say “Welcome to the party….gal.”
commented 2018-01-05 09:26:36 -0500
Pretty sure Notley and Wynne are having an affair. At the very least it certainly “monkey see, monkey do”.
commented 2018-01-05 09:26:36 -0500
Pretty sure Notley and Wynne are having an affair. At the very least it certainly “monkey see, monkey do”.
commented 2018-01-05 09:26:35 -0500
Pretty sure Notley and Wynne are having an affair. At the very least it certainly “monkey see, monkey do”.
commented 2018-01-05 09:25:35 -0500
Pretty sure Notley and Wynne are having an affair.
commented 2018-01-05 09:25:15 -0500
Pretty sure Notley and Wynne are having an affair.
commented 2018-01-05 09:23:22 -0500
Great show last night EZRA , if it wasn’t for the REBEL , Canadians Would be totally in the dark .
That 84%increase for N gas will increase cost of everything, from schools, and businesses that will pass on the increase to people even if they’re on welfare .
Thanks for exposing posser Galen Weston.
The Wolff that cries that the TRUMPSTER is an unqualified boy will get caught in his own trap , just like the doj and F B I
commented 2018-01-05 09:23:18 -0500
Great show last night EZRA , if it wasn’t for the REBEL , Canadians Would be totally in the dark .
That 84%increase for N gas will increase cost of everything, from schools, and businesses that will pass on the increase to people even if they’re on welfare .
Thanks for exposing posser Galen Weston.
The Wolff that cries that the TRUMPSTER is an unqualified boy will get caught in his own trap , just like the doj and F B I
commented 2018-01-05 08:49:03 -0500
Taxing heat in a cold spell in Alberta right now is now only cruel, but adds insult to injury for the nearly 200,000 UNEMPLOYED Albertans, not to mention those who are significantly underemployed. This NDP Gov has also “graciously” given us subsidies for solar panels, which right now would be under a foot of snow on my roof ,rendering them completely & utterly useless, much like our current provincial & federal governments.