June 01, 2018

Trade war: Trudeau taunted Trump for two years — and Trump finally pushed back

Ezra LevantRebel Commander


I want to talk about the trade war between Canada and the United States.

Trump announced $16 billion worth of trade barriers on Canadian steel and aluminum, but I think the big prize for him is our auto industry, that he’s setting the stage for bringing back the factories from Windsor and Oakville to Detroit and Ohio.

Trump is doing what he said he would do: standing up for industrial workers. Pretty much the opposite of what Canada does. Trudeau is shutting things down. Trump is building things up.

(The funny thing is Trump has been written off as a reality TV star, but he’s actually done a lot of real things in his life. Trudeau is treating his job as prime minister as a TV mascot gig.)

Trudeau says he’s really surprised things are falling apart.

I’m just surprised it took so long.

I’m a Canadian and I love Canada, and though I have no connection to the auto sector or steel sector, I want them to have jobs, and I want free trade with the U.S., and I don’t want a trade war.

But this was 100 per cent preventable, and Trudeau had two years to fix it. Maybe he actually wanted to wreck it to begin with — he’s against industry. And he’ll love to blame Trump for Canada’s looming economic troubles.

Being next to the United States during the Trump presidency could be the best thing for Canada, if handled right.

But it’s not being handled right.

Trudeau’s passive-aggressive hatred for Trump is going to cost Canada a lot of jobs.

TONIGHT'S GUESTS: Sun columnist Anthony Furey and author/columnist David Goldman, a.k.a., Spengler.

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commented 2018-06-05 15:24:01 -0400
Great report by Ezra “Trade war: Trudeau taunted Trump for two years — and Trump finally pushed back” … I would even say one of his best. Contains a lot of psychological insight into both Trump and Trudeau and how the trade negotiations are probably going to play out given their respective personalities and attitudes. Kudos.
commented 2018-06-04 19:00:52 -0400
So the fact that Ontario’s Auditor-General cannot “all the books” doesn’t bother you?… Billions have been tucked away in hidden accounts?… On what basis then can you claim that debt service has “decreased” from 11% to 9%?… Never mind; soon after June the 7th it will all come out in the open…. That’s why Winnie The Poo is talking out both sides of her mouth in the past two days…
commented 2018-06-04 18:43:28 -0400
“Andy Neimers commented 3 hours ago
With Ms. Stephenson trying to slip in the Ontario Liberal line that “(people like to blame debt interest but that’s actually declined somewhat as a proportion of total spending)”, I would recommend she try that one on Auditor-General Bonnie Lysyk who has had Winnie The Poo actually hiding documents from her… "

What did Lysyk say on the matter? I seem to recall her contention was over the size of the deficit, not debt support.

Ontario spent about 8b on debt service in 2003, or 11% of its budget ,vs 12b, about 9%, today.

“Trump has brought companies back because he understands how to do that, and it wasn’t by raising taxes. "

He seems to mostly do it by bankrupting them and scavenging the leftovers from the wreckage, anyway. Which, I suppose, is compatible with your statement although perhaps not quite what you intended to say.

“liza rosie commented 7 hours ago
Illegals walking across our borders, what the left calls immigration, is going to mean there are no resources for an aging population”

Healthcare austerity long predates the issue with refugees fleeing the US, and aging seniors are orders of magnitude more numerous.
commented 2018-06-04 16:01:30 -0400
With Ms. Stephenson trying to slip in the Ontario Liberal line that “(people like to blame debt interest but that’s actually declined somewhat as a proportion of total spending)”, I would recommend she try that one on Auditor-General Bonnie Lysyk who has had Winnie The Poo actually hiding documents from her…
commented 2018-06-04 11:31:44 -0400
The confidence in the U.S. is similar now, to the confidence everyone felt after the second world war in the 50’s. You could feel the potential in the air. My Dad started his own business and my parents bought a house and had four children.

Trump has brought companies back because he understands how to do that, and it wasn’t by raising taxes. Trudeau could learn so much, but instead he is beating the same drum as his UN zombie buddies. Canada has joined a new group now, and we will suffer dearly and in every way imaginable, by jumping ship from the US/Canada alliance. Justin has ruined that friendship and made us a threat and a liability. This wasn’t Trumps doing it was Justin’s.

Justin and Chrystia can act as hurt and insulted as they want, but this is the reality…
HARLEY MCCARTNEY commented 4 hours ago
Canada is a security risk because of turdos illegal open borders and illegal economic parasites.

…economic parasites is right. Just what Canada needs more of, as if our socialist governments haven’t bred enough of our own.
commented 2018-06-04 11:12:15 -0400
Illegals walking across our borders, what the left calls immigration, is going to mean there are no resources for an aging population. Its not like illiterate people who have been told they are to repopulate the west, suck it dry and bring their shithole ways from their shithole countries are going to plump up the coffers. Give me a break. If anyone is offended by my shithole country I ask you why do these people leave their countries if they are not shithole countries to come to ours? Because we have (had) a great country, and a government which will give them free stuff out of OUR blood sweat and tears. Of course the government will raise taxes to cover their ‘generosity’ to strangers who really don’t even like us or have any respect for our country. You have to keep in mind, that eventually other people’s money will run out and when your demographic is tipped to incompatible cultures, your country is fked like Istanbul.
This is how you KILL a country not ‘grow’ it.
commented 2018-06-04 10:18:54 -0400
“Drew Wakariuk commented 12 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson yeah Ontario was a have not for a time. That does not mean success. And what makes you think they are doing well? By the way debt and government jobs are not a sign of health for an economy. "

Ontario’s debt is a symptom of something else, which is political timidity. Ontario’s taxes are low relative to other provinces, and the province has low per-capita spending. Unfortunately things like demographic changes have lead to higher government costs (did you know that virtually all of Ontario’s population growth in the last decade has been in seniors? Natural growth and immigration are only just keeping up with the aging population) it’s mostly healthcare driving increased spending (people like to blame debt interest but that’s actually declined somewhat as a proportion of total spending). There aren’t a lot of ways to fix that without raising taxes.
commented 2018-06-04 00:31:21 -0400
Ah, Ms. Stephenson. in case this bit of reality has escaped your notice, “accountants” don’t run companies, they just “count the beans”. Company owners and shareholders decide where and when plants will be built or re-opened", and right now they have a very HIGH confidence in the future of America for years to come… Unlike, dare we say, the steel mills in Canada these days?…
commented 2018-06-03 22:14:08 -0400
Andrew sorry i forgot , it was Alberta’s fault LMAO!
commented 2018-06-03 22:10:20 -0400
Listen, Canada is using Dumb and Dumber to try and explain away the government’s ineptitude on this. CBC is happy to lie to Canadians and pretend Trudeau and company will solve this as they stay the course!!!!
commented 2018-06-03 22:02:36 -0400
Andrew funny how the left always crapped on the US while enjoying their Military Umbrella.
commented 2018-06-03 22:01:38 -0400
Andrew Justin is asking for ridiculous demands and you know it, he is an imbecile. `
commented 2018-06-03 22:00:31 -0400
Andrew Amazon will not give up their sweet deals and go to pay ridiculous taxes. LMAO! Your left wing communism does not bring people to you, it makes them leave. Please cite your stats first.
commented 2018-06-03 21:58:36 -0400
Andrew Stephenson yeah Ontario was a have not for a time. That does not mean success. And what makes you think they are doing well? By the way debt and government jobs are not a sign of health for an economy.
commented 2018-06-03 20:28:43 -0400
“Andy Neimers commented 4 hours ago
So the argument is that steel mills are not going to be re-opened just because Trump will only serve two terms??… Well bunkey, how about the possibility, that after Trump, now vice-president Pence will become president for the next two terms after that?… "

I don’t think any accountant on earth is going to make spending decisions based on electoral speculation a decade from now. They like predictability, and that’s … um, not. Oh, and Pence is a free-market globalist who only puts the barest effort into going along with Trump’s big government meddling. He knows, perhaps better than anyone else, that Trump’s supporters don’t ask tough questions of Dear Leader and a token effort is sufficient, while still being able to hedge his bets among the traditional Republicans who will outlast Trump.

“Drew Wakariuk commented 1 hour ago
Andrew Stephenson Trump inherited a mess and is making it better, Justin inherited a stable country and is making it worse, the Libs in Ontario have created a HUGE Mess.”

Like I said, this is largely untrue. What specific statistic do you have that supports that claim? The 300k manufacturing jobs that were lost from 2002-2008, a statistic that was pertinent a decade ago but no longer is?

" You are very delusional"
Irrelevant. If you disagree with my claims, refute them rather than indulging in ad-hominems. That’s just plain lazy, and disrespectful.

“And Justin is being an ass and an imbecile”
So is Trump.

“. Sorry but Trump does what is best for his country”
He’s doing what his “deplorables” want, not what is best for the country. Trade barriers help nobody. The tendency of working-class Republicans to vote against their own best interests is well established.

“not what is best for Globalists and Justins Ego. " Globalism has benefited the United States tremendously. It became a superpower on the backs of a form of capitalist colonialism, and globalist multinationals employ millions of Americans. Incidentally, Trump’s protectionism vs Canada’s relatively global mindset is probably what will land Amazon’s new HQ into Toronto. The “rest of the world” is a far bigger place than the US these days.
commented 2018-06-03 18:56:06 -0400
HEY PROGRESSIVES, you elected a complete unqualified buffoon , now face up to it.
commented 2018-06-03 18:54:58 -0400
Is Justin going to cry again? I would suggest some Midol.
commented 2018-06-03 18:54:34 -0400
Andrew Stephenson Trump inherited a mess and is making it better, Justin inherited a stable country and is making it worse, the Libs in Ontario have created a HUGE Mess. You are very delusional. And Justin is being an ass and an imbecile. Sorry but Trump does what is best for his country , not what is best for Globalists and Justins Ego.
commented 2018-06-03 18:51:59 -0400
Andrew Stephenson it supports the MSM?? LMAO!
commented 2018-06-03 16:30:53 -0400
HARLEY MCCARTNEY commented 4 hours ago
Canada is a security risk because of turdos illegal open borders and illegal economic parasites.
What would stop anyone from crossing the border back into the US to launch an attack?
We have no idea who this incompetent F#ck is letting into our country.
Keep it up turdo and the US will close its border to Canada.

Harley McCartney…Yep.. that’s my take on that Statement..
commented 2018-06-03 15:53:53 -0400
So the argument is that steel mills are not going to be re-opened just because Trump will only serve two terms??… Well bunkey, how about the possibility, that after Trump, now vice-president Pence will become president for the next two terms after that?… He’s from Indiana and has a personal interest in seeing that steel mills stay open… I’d hazard a guess that many steel mill owners would find security in that scenario… For example, Boeing continues to prosper in leftie run Washington State even with it corporate headquarters having moved to leftie run Chicago…
commented 2018-06-03 15:30:46 -0400
You know what’s funny? Listening to Liberal hypocrites wringing their hands and wetting their panties over the possible dissolution of a trade agreement that they have always reviled.
commented 2018-06-03 15:22:57 -0400
“You must be a Liberal, who listens to the “lyin MSM” as EVERYONE HERE knows that the Regulations on Business imposed by Liberals”

I don’t tend to believe hte “lyin MSM”. I don’t need to be spoonfed opinions, I can go dig up the information myself. It happens to support what the MSM is saying.

The problem with what “EVERYONE KNOWS” is that popularity is a poor measure of truth. It’s even got a fancy name, the argumentum ad-populum fallacy. It’s popular to believe, for example, that Trump’s doing a great job economically while Wynne and Trudeau (usually with comedic mis-spelling), have absolutely devastated the country. Yet, a quick examination of the facts indicates both countries are essentially identical in some of the most important economic indicators.
commented 2018-06-03 15:17:14 -0400
John Good commented 3 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson wrote: “Even McDonald’s is struggling to find decent workers – their recent push to automation is being driven by labour shortages more than anything else.”
You must be a Liberal, who listens to the “lyin MSM” as EVERYONE HERE knows that the Regulations on Business imposed by Liberals, that they must pay a minimum wage of about $15/hr, has driven restaurants (who can afford to do so) like McDonald’s, Wendy’s, etc. to automation, to avoid raising their prices! This is the real World reason that fast food restaurants both here & in the States, are investing in automation, not because of labor shortages. "

I’m talking about the US.

I agree, it’s labour costs, but there are several notable examples of places where market minimum wages are well above the legislated minimum, due entirely to labour shortages. Sub 4-unemployment does that. We saw the same thing in Canada circa 2012 in Alberta/Sask (prior to the TFW influx getting out of control), where even fast food was offering in the high teens per hour because otherwise nobody would apply. With the US now well beyond “full employment” (about 5%, which it dropped below in 2015) they have very little choice but to bid up workers necessitating improved productivity.

It might even be worse in regions with low minimum wages, because a larger part of their customer base can’t afford rising costs, vs somewhere like the Bay Area where the median income is very high and they can raise prices and still move product.

This is a very good thing. Rising productivity is what created the middle class, and that has lagged for decades, ever since Wal-mart etc cut costs aggressively on the backs of increasingly commoditized and de-skilled labour. That model quietly stopped working in the last few years.

There aren’t a lot of markets that are like that in Canada at the moment, though Vancouver and Ottawa are pretty tight, and Toronto’s getting pretty close.
commented 2018-06-03 12:34:13 -0400
Canada is a security risk because of turdos illegal open borders and illegal economic parasites.
What would stop anyone from crossing the border back into the US to launch an attack?
We have no idea who this incompetent F#ck is letting into our country.
Keep it up turdo and the US will close its border to Canada.
commented 2018-06-03 12:12:00 -0400
Andrew Stephenson wrote: “Even McDonald’s is struggling to find decent workers – their recent push to automation is being driven by labour shortages more than anything else.”
You must be a Liberal, who listens to the “lyin MSM” as EVERYONE HERE knows that the Regulations on Business imposed by Liberals, that they must pay a minimum wage of about $15/hr, has driven restaurants (who can afford to do so) like McDonald’s, Wendy’s, etc. to automation, to avoid raising their prices! This is the real World reason that fast food restaurants both here & in the States, are investing in automation, not because of labor shortages.
commented 2018-06-03 10:02:33 -0400
Andy Neimers commented 11 hours ago
First of all, what is this imaginary “3 year lead time”… Many mills will be up and running by the end of this year!"

How many steel mills are basically fully operational and ready to restart with a flip of a switch? It’s been decades since the US was self-sufficient for steel, even if they haven’t been dismantled it’s a matter of years, not months, to refurbish old mills, or even build new ones.

" And “The Donald” is going to be around for two full terms as president… "
Possibly, but this comment is just posturing. Even if so, it takes decades to amortize something like a steel mill and they may be reluctant to spend the money on something that may just be undercut and closed again in ten years when a small-c Republican and/or the next Democrat reopens the US to trade.

“Who are they going to hire Why. the former steel workers that are now working at MacDonald’s”
And how many of them are there? Those new “American Ingenuity” driven mills will almost certainly be highly automated, and require a different category of worker than the mills of old, very skilled work with very high levels of automation needed to maintain competitive productivity. And, the labour shortages in those categories are already profound, today, and have been for a few years now. Manufacturing’s been surging since 2012, you see, but it’s not creating unskilled jobs, which is part of the problem. Even McDonald’s is struggling to find decent workers – their recent push to automation is being driven by labour shortages more than anything else.

“, that’s who!!… You really are getting desperate, aren’t you??”
Do you feel this adds anything to your argument, or are you just smearing your own insecurity around the internet?
commented 2018-06-03 04:03:30 -0400
As one drives west along I-90 from the outskirts of Gary, Indiana to East Chicago the view towards Lake Erie is one of mountains and mountains, mile after mile, of scrap steel waiting to be melted down and processed… And it will be once again under President Trump’s directive… Idiots, and I deliberately use that word “idiots” are the ones who wish/hope that isn’t so…
commented 2018-06-02 23:01:38 -0400
Tammie’s comment,
“In looking at Trudeau’s record, he gets everything wrong”
Not even Roseanne Bar could come up with an adequate tweet to insult this nut case properly.