July 13, 2015

Forest fires emit much more C02 than oil sands -- and have nothing to do with "global warming"

Rebel Staff

So far this season, over 1000 fires -- started by lightning and camp fires -- have burned up to 300,000 hectares of Canadian forests.

Despite what environmentalists are trying to tell the public, these fires have nothing to do with global warming.

What these activists don't mention is that for every hectare that's burned in these fires, about 100 tonnes of carbon dioxide is emitted.

That amount is equal to all the supposedly evil C02 emitted for an entire year by Alberta's oil sands companies.

Of course, C02 isn't poison or pollution anyhow, but environmentalists want us to think it is.

So why do they devote all their attention on the oil sands, which produce a fraction of emissions these fires do?

The answer is obvious: They're against progress and prosperity, so the oil sands make a better "bad guy" than a beautiful, harmless forest.


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commented 2015-07-16 23:50:29 -0400
@ Wiley R….Ezra is right…scientists do infer that not all trees are burned in a forest fire…and try to make this look less than major CO2 emission…while harping about the oil sands whose emissions pale by comparison…
per: http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2010/jan/effects-forest-fire-carbon-emissions-climate-impacts-often-overestimated-0

NOTE: ‘OFTEN’ overestimated….Well I have been to Colorado after a forest fire and the photos at oregon state’s website are not what I saw…I saw not one living tree for miles…that is what I saw…so the carbon emissions were very high there…and it is not only the living trees that burn, but the thousands of dead trees (deadwood) that are heavily piled up and that clutter every forest, not to mention bushes and other plants. I wonder why they are so determined to UNDER-estimate the carbon emissions from forest fires…guess they just want to blame humans for all our problems so they can send us an invoice for the costs…well don’t send me one, because I am sick of this dishonest manipulation of the public. The wildfires every year are major sources of co2 emissions…God made it that way so the plants would have more food (plants “inhale” co2…makes them more healthy! ask someone in a greenhouse)…

CO2 IS GOOD FOR THE PLANET…bring it on…more CO2 means more healthy plants…which means more OXYGEN for us…it’s a win-win situation…don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

Yet “A striking implication of very large wildfires is that a severe fire season lasting only one or two months can release as much carbon as the annual emissions from the entire transportation or energy sector of an individual state,” the authors of the NCAR study wrote." http://www.livescience.com/1981-wildfires-release-cars.html

The insanity of all this is that “Canada is required to estimate annual …emissions associated with wildfires ..” in meet reporting commitments to the UN convention on climate change…at what cost is this exercise in absurdity!!! “The fires that swept across Indonesia in 1997…were estimated to have released between 0.81 and 2.57 gigatons of carbon—between 13 percent and 40 percent of the world’s annual emissions at the time…” according to http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2007/10/dirty_burns.html

says that
" It’s a fact that Kilauea (volcano) has been releasing more than twice the amount of noxious sulfur dioxide gas (SO2) as the single dirtiest power plant on the U.S. mainland….(and) the eruption discharges between 8,000 and 30,000 metric tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere each day. " and " globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. "

Remembering that volcanoes were once MUCH larger than most today…these emissions have been ongoing…So take all this into consideration at the next election …and don’t buy the need for carbon tax …it is impossible to fight nature…she has a much larger carbon footprint than any of us…and she usually gets it right.
commented 2015-07-16 00:49:14 -0400
Ok first of all no credible scientist would say that natural forest fires or volcanos have no effect on climate change. Of coarse they do. You put words in peoples mouths and don’t bother to find a scientist or environmentalist to even comment on what your writing in the article or saying in the video. Second your not an expert so you should not make stats up your self. Last year in the US 5500 million metric tons were emitted by the energy sector and 600 were emitted by forest fires. Yes I know this is last year’s statistics, but until there is legitimate documentation saying how much carbon was emitted it is poor journalistic ethics to make things up yourself.
commented 2015-07-14 22:40:41 -0400
Really interesting conversation Babs and Maurice. I too always thought Pine beetle would die at sustained low temps, I didn’t know it was purported to be as low -40 though . That it is only contained, eradicated by fire is new information for me. I had heard about the very closed cones that require fire to open, and germinate.

I have some very large cedars, fir, some Spruce and Pine also, but not as large, and birch. Most of my birch are falling over now , and as the rest of my lot matures I try to keep it clear of excessive branches from the birch and those fallen. What I am starting to be left with is a fairly clean, of yearly litter, wood lot. Not many branches are touching the ground and there is starting to be natural undergrowth where the light is coming in from the natural thinning of birch. I read what I thought was a cool thing, about the job of the birch. Aside from shading young seedlings and encouraging them to grow straight, by reaching for the light, there is also a symbiotic relationship between cedars and birch, in their root systems. So I assume now that my trees are mature they don’t need the also mature birch anymore? There are trees being re seeded both birch and cedar, but I am selectively thinning them. Sorry I went off on a tangent from fire.

There is evidence of fire having gone through, but it must have been a long time ago. I figure my lot is as good and clean as it gets now, as far as it goes, to mitigate the fire hazard.

The only real problem with forest fires these days is that people live too close, and they are not allowed to burn out,naturally. They are most certainly a part of life on this planet.
commented 2015-07-14 02:14:31 -0400
Babs Mossholder, the lodgepole Pine is also a species that requires fire to reproduce. The cones of mature lodgepole pine, as well as the cones of jack pine, are hard and tightly closed. They require fire to open the cones and release the seeds. However, it’s our penchant for fighting and suppressing forest fires that has created the catastrophic infestation of Mountain Pine Beetles that has devastated northern Pine forests. This, of course, creates a far greater risk of catastrophic wild fires, as standing dead trees are ignited far more easily and burn far more quickly than green trees. David Suzuki and his ilk would have us believe that the Mountain Pine Beetle epidemic is the result of man made climate change, but of course he’s wrong. It is the direct result of fire suppression in infested areas that allows the beetles to thrive and reproduce. I don’t find claims that the larvae die in temperatures below -40 to be credible. When I was on Ranger staff with the BC Forest Service, I distinctly remember attempting to isolate and control outbreaks of Mountain Pine Beetle back in the early 1970s and we still regularly hit 40 and 50 below zero back in those days.
commented 2015-07-14 01:53:18 -0400
Man can manage forests. We do not need to wait until fires burn the husks off of seeds to reinvigorate a forest population. What we do need to do is manage the tinder and log the old trees while replanting new, younger trees. We might make requirements that the same species mix is replanted. That seems reasonable. But, the idea of any meddling by man is somehow disruptive only leads to devastating fires such as you are seeing now.
I assure you that if you wait for mother nature to repopulate areas devastated by fire it will take a whole lot longer than if man steps in to replant the area.
commented 2015-07-14 01:25:01 -0400
My little brain started working backwards and I thought about something that was said in one of the lectures I received by the forest service. That is that some of the forest species can only reproduce by fire!
I think it might be the redwood but perhaps I am wrong; this lecture took place over 30 years ago.
But the jist of it was that some forest species can only germinate if fire burns the husk off their shells.
Why would that be?
It would be that forests have burned for thousands of years and that is the strategy that tree species adopted to perpetuate themselves…
The hubris of environmentalists that they might be able to stop a thousands year reproductive cycle is akin to their theories on global warming.
commented 2015-07-14 00:01:02 -0400
Excellent point Carm. I still can’t comprehend how us taxpayers give the CBC over $1,000,000,000 a year. And what do we get for it. A Trudeau loving Mansbridge, Helium Head Rob Silver, and a dipstick named Capstick. Imagine, the government can make 1000 Canadian citizens a millionaire EVERY YEAR with that money.
Ezra, how qualified are these scientists that back these Suzuki loving, pot smoking, mushroom eating, non taxpaying, welfare receiving, unemployed environmentalists? I thought science was absolute. Did these forest fires really cause more CO2 emissions than all the oilsands causes in one year? WOW, are these environmentalists ever taking us for a ride. Do we not see the consequences of funding these terrorists by buying their oil?
commented 2015-07-13 22:27:49 -0400
I worked for the Cibola National Forest Service in New Mexico back in the early 80’s. I’m not sure if it is the same today but back then every employee was screened for a fire job. We took a fairly rigorous physical test and were then assigned a fire job. My job was radio operator at a fire base camp. Not only was I instructed in radio operation but I also attended several seminars on the nature of forest fires. It pretty much gets down to the amount of tinder in an area and the unlucky happenstance of a lightening strike or a campfire gone out of control. Going in and logging an area to clear out the tinder and replant was fought tooth and nail by the environmentalists. They wanted the forests to remain “pristine.”
About 10 years after leaving the forest service there were many news reports of a “controlled” fire in a high tinder area by the forest service to clear out the tinder that went completely out of control and burned some massive area of forest. Fire fighters died, property was lost. In short, it was a complete disaster and took many weeks to put out.
Forest management is a rather technical study. But it comes down to either man manages the forests or mother nature will do it for you.
commented 2015-07-13 21:21:53 -0400
Maurice posted, “In short, the world has gone completely bonkers and wouldn’t recognize truth if it bit them on the ass.”
I agree and with the rest of your post also.
commented 2015-07-13 21:18:24 -0400
Carm Hofen, thanks for that . Brad Wall is absolutely one of my idols. He is such an honest broker. No bullsh*t , none what so ever. I wish we could clone him.

Carm posted, “Our state taxpayer-funded broadcaster CBC is a willing, collaborating propagandist for the fiction of manmade global warming and that is a national disgrace and an abuse of its mandate.” I could not agree more.
commented 2015-07-13 19:52:14 -0400
Maurice said, "They are the creation of evil right wing conservatives who invented lightning machines, in order to destroy local economies and make millions of dollars fighting forest fires. "

Shhhhhhhh! Don’t give the enviroweenies any ideas! :)
commented 2015-07-13 19:28:29 -0400
CARM HOFEN, thanks for providing another reason why I am upset that the Harper government hasn’t removed the CBC from the public trough.
commented 2015-07-13 19:15:59 -0400
Man cannot live without God. There is a God-shaped hole in our hearts that must be filled. When we, as a society, banished God from the public square, in the name of "multiculturalism, we created a God-shaped hole in society that needed filling. What better way to fill it than by creating other gods, like man-made global warming, like radical environmentalism, like radical animal rights activism, like the vilification of all “non-progressive” ideas, and ironically the elevation of radical Islam to an acceptable form of spiritual expression, accompanied by “white guilt”. These are all the new acceptable gods. In short, the world has gone completely bonkers and wouldn’t recognize truth if it bit them on the ass.

On a lighter note, forest fires are evil!! They are the creation of evil right wing conservatives who invented lightning machines, in order to destroy local economies and make millions of dollars fighting forest fires. I know this because when I worked for the BC Forest Service, I officially learned about the fire triangle; oxygen, heat and fuel…. remove one of them and the fire goes out. But we also unofficially learned that it was actually a fire rectangle; oxygen, heat, fuel and overtime… remove any one of them and the fire goes out.
commented 2015-07-13 19:01:38 -0400
Our state taxpayer-funded broadcaster CBC is a willing, collaborating propagandist for the fiction of manmade global warming and that is a national disgrace and an abuse of its mandate. CBC radio and TV hosts/interviewers make sure to weave manmade climate change into every discussion. (Is that CBC policy, perhaps?) A good example was last Saturday’s The House CBC Radio interview with Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall, where host Chris Hall did his damnedest to have the Premier say that the wild fires were caused by global warming. To his credit, Premier Brad Wall would have none of it: “Well, we just haven’t seen that, Chris.”

In his intro about the wild fires, CBC host Hall had already suggested that “climate change could mean more summers like this.” The Premier stated that until this year, there hadn’t been any abnormal wild fire activity: “… last number of years where we’ve had NOT a lot of fire activity, we’ve had this year a ten-fold increase in the number of hectares that are burning.” Thus he implied that this year’s fires were an exception to the norm.

But that was not a satisfactory narrative for host Chris Hall: " … a lot of people say it’s due to climate change. You can expect more dry, hot, windy summers in places like northern Saskatchewan. So is it time to look at … what you can do to address some of these climate change issues?" That’s when the Premier said, “Well, we just haven’t seen that, Chris.” Premier Wall went on to point out the difference between doomsday climate change predictions, and real-world observations: “The reality is we’ve seen very mild forest fire activity in the last number of years, when these same forecasts for increased activity in the name of climate change have been occurring.” What does CBC say about that? In its write-up describing the audio of the interview: “… that might be wishful thinking on Wall’s part”! (http://tinyurl.com/pu4jyxz)

How refreshing, how rational, how logical, how honest to hear Premier Brad Wall NOT cave in to the pervasive group-think and agree with the CBC’s irresponsible party line that climate change is to blame for practically everything (bad) that happens outdoors! The CBC will never tell you that there hasn’t been any global warming for 18.5 years, or that climate changes naturally all the time— it always has, always will.
commented 2015-07-13 14:57:15 -0400
The new totalitarianism requires that we must comply with the socialists and or communists not only in deed but in thought too. They are intolerant of any opposing point of view and do everything they can to whip us into shape and to comply with both body and mind . An Orwellian nightmare is want we have .brewing here. Rewriting history ,denial of reality, a controlled population.
They just keep pushing and pushing.
We have to keep pushing back with truth.
A guote from St. Agustine “The truth is like a lion. You don’t have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.”
commented 2015-07-13 13:26:19 -0400
Personally. If the environmentalists get their death wish (no fossil fuels) I will get a wood burning stove rather than a super efficient gas furnace. Can’t afford the windmill or solar grid. When the nuts are in charge…burn a tree. That’s the beauty of living in rural world. I like CO2. It feeds the plants and trees and makes funny bubbles in beer.
commented 2015-07-13 13:06:19 -0400
The latest I heard over the last several days is they are now claiming the decline in bees is being caused by global warming. I try to stay open to the possibilities but a few questions came to mind. What about in Ontario where the temperature has actually been cooler the last few years? Also I remember a few years back that killer bees had started moving in to southern parts of the U.S. and overtaking bee populations there. If the killer bees came from such warm climates how were they not killed off by the heat? These may be some crude elementary questions but I still think it is worth asking. At first we were told it might be cell phone waves disrupting the bees flight patterns, then we were told it was mites, then it was insecticides, now it is global warming.
commented 2015-07-13 12:15:45 -0400
Ezra, where are all of the environmentalists? Should they not be on the front lines protesting to the lightning gods? Or maybe, if they were really concerned, give them a shovel, and a pick to see how dedicated they are.
commented 2015-07-13 11:16:42 -0400
This is great news. No one can dispute that Saskatchewan has earned masive carbon credits when it put out these naturally accorring fire [carbon released]. Please make cheque payable to Government of Saskatchewan, Regina SK. If you think the last comment was a joke, you have to believe that cap and trade is the biggest joke of all.
commented 2015-07-13 11:15:59 -0400
“Would that make Al Gore and David Suzuki “prophets”? "

It would probably be more accurate to say that they are “profits”, since that is what they do off of this global warming scam, oh sorry, “climate change” scam.
commented 2015-07-13 10:56:11 -0400
The climate change people are only proving that what they’re claiming is really a religion. They believe in it so much that, when their precious theories are disproven, they get angry and loud and insulting… sounds like other special interest groups we know about, eh? Climate change is not a science, because if the scientific method is applied, the theory falls apart. And yet, these people still trumpet their religion.

Would that make Al Gore and David Suzuki “prophets”?
commented 2015-07-13 10:16:10 -0400
It all boils down to money, money, money! Green energy companies are rolling in the loot – billions of dollars! But, as I have previously stated, these pseudo-environmentalists will find a way to blame these forest fires on the oil producers! Like, Charles Adler said in a post, we live in a foolocracy!
commented 2015-07-13 10:11:57 -0400
@ron Voss – global warming / climate change / name du jour is just a front/fraud for MOAR taxes (cap ’n trade, price on carbon) and bigger, fatter, MOAR useless gubbament.

Amazing how the left is getting away with “green shaft”/corky dion this time around – Canadians forget too easily.
commented 2015-07-13 10:11:31 -0400
Oh my my, Ezra Levant is wearing a North Face Jacket and according to the Edmonton’s Marxist Leninist who are the chief organizers of recent anti C51, anti Harper rallies with NDP, Green Party guest speakers – North Face Jackets are generally worn by people who pretend to be the news media but are really undercover cops according to local Reds. I wish I was making this up – but proof is in the YouTube! https://youtu.be/0IBaAy1xm1I
commented 2015-07-13 09:47:51 -0400
Of course, for the global warming cultists, they can’t let facts get in the way of a good fairy tale that serves their interests, whether padding their bank accounts or paving the way for a global government.
commented 2015-07-13 09:38:17 -0400
Ezra – you know this as a lawyer – if you say it over and over again, the truth no longer matters.

I hear that next week, water is no longer healthy for survival – say it over and over again and watch the sheeple actually stop drinking water.
commented 2015-07-13 08:27:03 -0400
The difference here is one makes us money and one destroys our money. One is naturally occurring while the other is man made. Really there is no comparison here Ezra but I do again that man made gases pale in comparison to mother nature. But you see for these environmentalists they stand to make a hell of a lot of money in taxation and carbon credits where they stand to loose or make nothing with mother nature. People need to understand Ezra that these so called environmentalists don’t really care about the environment, they are like governments, they are just in it for the money and free ride though life.