August 19, 2015

Forget #Gamergate: Why are grown men playing video games in the first place?

Gavin McInnesArchive

While it’s noble for Nero and Christina Hoff Sommers to be fighting political correctness and #Gamergate, I have to take a step back and say, “Why the hell are grown men playing video games?”

Talk about Gamers is about as ridiculous as talking about TVWatchers. It’s not a movement, it’s an indulgence.

More importantly, it’s an indulgence for kids.

The fact that the politics of how adults play video games is such a big part of the public discourse shows how incredibly infantilized our culture has become.

Shooting monsters is for little kids. Grow up.

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commented 2015-11-03 19:33:05 -0500
Gavin, I like to shoot other people in multiplayer games. You can often tell that they are getting really mad and it ruins their day to lose. Surely you can see the appeal of that? :)
commented 2015-08-25 02:30:57 -0400
Personal choice. That’s one of the main things I like and respect about you, Jimmy. You believe in individuals having the freedom to make personal choices for themselves, whether informed or not. Personally, I have far more respect for those who make informed choices whether I agree with them or not. If someone can articulate at least one reason to support their viewpoint, I’ll respectfully take it under consideration.
That said, I highly doubt anyone here is a “paid lobbyist” or “corporate shill”. I get that other commenters attack you unfairly, but I have to say that I think you are so much more effective and persuasive when you don’t sink to name-calling and ad hominem attacks. It just turns people off (this is a bit of universal advice not limited to Jimmy, and a self-reminder because I’m guilty, too). Furthermore, sticking to the higher ground makes your opponents appear that much weaker by comparison.
Jimmy has some good points and offer and provides an alternate perspective that TheRebel sorely needs. Don’t let your arguments be overshadowed by the desire to respond to and one-up your challengers.
commented 2015-08-23 15:51:20 -0400

Nothing is wrong with adults playing video games. Most games are made for adults anyway. So video game companies are just meeting the demand. It’s no different than choosing to watch a movie or TV or spending hours on the internet. It’s a choice on how to relax.
commented 2015-08-23 15:36:30 -0400
What is wrong Jimmy if adults play kids game, it is hilarious. man. Let them be a child and learn a small trick to win, nowadays kids are smarter than adults in many aspects of life.
commented 2015-08-23 06:00:01 -0400
Thanks Jimmy. Works every time. But sometimes I just let him play for an hour or so while I read, play guitar/piano, knit, or comment on online news stories. He has his hobbies, and I have mine. I just don’t see anything wrong with adults playing video games. If you don’t like them, don’t play them, but your (not you, Jimmy, I mean “your” figuratively) aesthetic and/or moral judgment doesn’t give you the right to impose your ideology on others. It’s that simple.
commented 2015-08-22 21:38:05 -0400
I think Gavin still thinks it’s 1950 or that men should still be cavemen to some degree. Gavin comes across as very archaic – he is a dinosaur. Adapt or die.
commented 2015-08-22 21:35:47 -0400

I have to tip my hat off to you regarding your comment about sex and what it takes for your husband to put down the controller. That was great.
commented 2015-08-22 01:01:44 -0400
Jesus man, talk about somthing that actually matters. If a grown man wants to relax and play a video game; in his own home, in his own time and after he’s done work or just plain done for the day, then who the hell cares? It’s no different then if a man (or woman) decided they wanna watch TV or read a book or fucking knit for christ sake. It’s no one else’s business, leave it be. Get to reporting on or covering actual news and issues, not this petty bs. Thanks
commented 2015-08-21 22:44:06 -0400
All I ask is that he turn it off when I get home.
commented 2015-08-21 22:43:10 -0400
As an aside, my husband does all the cooking and most of the cleaning, too. We both work, but I work 10-20 more hours per week than he does, and make twice as much money. After doing all that, if he wants to relax by playing some video games before I get home from work, who am I to say no?
commented 2015-08-21 22:39:35 -0400
Just went through my husband’s stack of video games. Vast majority were rated “M” for age 17+. I don’t really give a damn about the content, because they’re clearly labelled, just like television and movies. If some feminist wants to make a feminist-themed video game, it’s a free market and I say go right ahead. But I don’t agree with forcing video game content to change via lobby group pressure and government legislation. Let the market dictate.
All I care about is how to get my husband to put down the game controller, and I’ve discovered a very simple solution: sex. He drops the controller like a hot potato if I dress up in one of his favourite slutty outfits and just stand in front of the TV. It’s really not that hard.
commented 2015-08-21 15:31:59 -0400
“The reason grown men and women indulge in video games is because it is not only their right to do so but video games are usually more entertaining and intelligent than most media.”

True in transition. Wasn’t always true, but now video games are advertised like they are somewhere in between a Corvette and an ‘A list’ action movie. They are embedded in culture, so it probably isn’t a good assertion to hold that adult male gamers are ‘man babies’. Assuming the work is done, you cannot knock the merits of how frugal it is to sit at home and game out as opposed to play a watered down version of what was once a good sport or drink every weekend. In places with nearly no economic opportunity, even more so.
commented 2015-08-21 14:43:22 -0400
Well, yes, I can fix a fridge, build a PC (3 times), clean my spark plugs and re-gap them, renovate my kitchen, build a garden shed, grow wonderful tomatoes, talk about how how long and short radio waves propagate differently, cook a brilliant pork roast, re-drywall my livingroom, replace the guts in my broken toilet, etc… etc… etc… BUT I like to play a video game now and then (clash of clans, boom beach, et al). Moderation is the key. Admittedly, some guys do go overboard and waste too many precious waking hours playing stupid video games (and yes some of them are blindingly stupid) but I like to think I practice moderation. Maybe that’s the answer. Not enough people have balance. That’s a shame. Also, I might add, they miss out on a lot of other worthwhile things in life. …just my humble take.
commented 2015-08-20 20:49:42 -0400
I would have to admit that playing video games is a better use of ones time, if the other choice is listening to liberals/socialists.
commented 2015-08-20 14:24:20 -0400
The reason grown men and women indulge in video games is because it is not only their right to do so but video games are usually more entertaining and intelligent than most media.
Myself and a lot my friends grew up having to listen to liberals/socialists opening their fat yaps and letting their bellies rumble about when we are going to grow up ( a method most commonly used to shame and ridicule others into adhering into the liberal social standard ).
Video games are an expensive hobby and I hope the Rebel understands that most gamers
are hardworking taxpayers .
Unless of course we are not welcome here because of preferred hobbies and interests.
commented 2015-08-20 13:25:52 -0400

I get that, but it’s still silly to call yourself a rebel when you are a paid lobbyist and corporate shill like Ezra is.
commented 2015-08-20 12:49:52 -0400
@ Peter and Jimmy: Just to interject here, IMHO The Rebel is called that because of the MSM. With The Media Party running their political war machines at large, I think this site is more to rebel against them. But do continue. Just thought I’d throw some personal clarification into the mix.
commented 2015-08-20 12:45:09 -0400

So your position is – the media has never been accurate and factual about conservatives in any capacity? They never got it right once about Harper? Are you saying that conservatives are angels and they are above any sort of criticism from the media – they don’t lie, steal, cheat and never do anything that is viewed as being corrupt or is wrong politically?

I just think you don’t want ANYONE writing anything negative about Stephen Harper and conservatives. It was the same thing with Rob Ford supporters. While The Toronto Star and other media were doing the right thing as journalists in extensively covering what an unbelievable fuck up Rob Ford is, Ford Nation just felt that it should just be all swept under the rug and let him be mayor anyway – let’s ignore the lying, corruption, crack smoking, idiocy and everything in between. No, the media got it 100% right when it comes to Rob Ford.

I think the bottom line actually is that you are unable to be critical or objective about conservatives or Stephen Harper. You can’t support Harper and still admit that he fucked up on something or you don’t like how he handled this or that or you disagree with a direction he is taking with something specific or you just think he is dead wrong with his attitude or action on something – that the Toronto Star has pointed out.
commented 2015-08-20 11:14:43 -0400
I have lots of friends back in the Marines who love to play video games. Adult men and women whom I’ve served with. Do they have to “grow up” too?
commented 2015-08-20 08:58:49 -0400
Jimmy said, "The bottom line is that left leaning news sources have been factual and accurate when it comes to the conservatives. "

Well Jimmy, you are allowed to believe in any lie you want, but “the bottom line” is you are believing a lie. We will have to agree to disagree.
commented 2015-08-20 00:58:39 -0400
Grow up? NEVAH! #gamer4life
commented 2015-08-20 00:39:05 -0400

It would be naïve of you to think that the left leaning media are never accurate about Harper. He’s not a God. Yes, he is human and yes he has lied, yes he has been hypocritical and yes he has done things that could be deemed as corrupt. But that could be said for any politician.

I think it has more to do with the fact that you don’t like it when conservatives are attacked – more so than if it’s factual and accurate or not. The bottom line is that left leaning news sources have been factual and accurate when it comes to the conservatives. And right leaning news sources have been factual and accurate when it comes to liberals. I don’t just deem it false because of the source it came from.

You may not like The Toronto Star – but generally they have pretty kick ass reporters that work or worked there and I don’t mean the Catherine Porter types. You may not like it, but the take down of Rob Ford was brilliant journalism from Robyn Dolittle. Kevin Donovan has done some fantastic work as well.
commented 2015-08-19 23:37:03 -0400
One more thing, the left main stream media by intentionally manipulating the “news” to attack Harper relentlessly as they do in order to try to manipulate people’s opinions against Harper are actually admitting (though you would never get them to acknowledge it) that Harper is likely to win and they have to play dirty in order to keep Harper from winning the election.
commented 2015-08-19 23:30:46 -0400
Jimmy asks me, "Do you feel that conservatives are the minority? Haven’t you among others discussed the reason why Stephen Harper won and has continued to win elections – because Canada is a conservative country? "

I have never said that Conservatives are the majority.

With 5,832,401 (39.62%) of the votes, the Conservatives are still a minority of voters. If you count all that did not vote Conservative 8,757,658 (60.38%) as left wing, then the left is clearly the majority. However, they are fracture into 4 parties and cannot agree on the time of day, let alone policy, whereas the Conservatives are one party and do agree on policy.

It is funny how many lefties cried foul when Harper won his majority citing his 39.62% as invalid when Jean Chretien in his largest majority only received 4,994,277 votes, 838,124 less than Harper’s majority. Lefties are such goofs. True sore losers, criers and whiners. Maybe they should grow up and learn to get along, otherwise they will never beat the Conservatives.

So in order win, the left main stream media is intentionally destroying democracy by interfering with and manipulating the people by lying to them and relentlessly attacking Harper on everything they possibly can every day on every topic in a concerted effort to paint a false narrative of Harper and the Conservative rather than reporting the facts and truth on all parties equally.

The people on the left who actively engage in this type of activity, especially the main stream media, are pure scum, truly undemocratic creeps of the most inbred kind.

. . . so, what was your question? oh, yea, the Conservatives are not the majority, but they clearly are superior to the left in every way.

Night Jimmy!
commented 2015-08-19 22:45:10 -0400
I’m inclined to say that you are using suspenders, that are FOR LITTLE KIDS!! But it would be rude, so I won’t say it.
Still, I find it funny that you pretend to be on the 50’s. Sorry, your black and white movies aren’t the only thing in the world that matters. Not too much people are like you that think that adults have to spend their lives learning how to be more boring and annoying. Now stop pretending to be a hipster (what a joke, a person pretending to be a pretender!), or I’ll tell your mom about your “work”.
commented 2015-08-19 22:31:39 -0400
Yes! Gavin is spot on! I’ve been saying this since I outgrew video games at 15 or 16 and couldn’t understand why so many people kept playing them. Grown men and women referring to themselves as “gamers”, as if it’s something to be proud of? Pathetic. So you stare vacantly at a flickering screen and live in a virtual reality world for hours — in fact, years — of your life; congratulations. No wonder there haven’t been any great novels, art works, musical compositions, inventions or ideas in the last 50-odd years. We’re all distracted by mindless garbage. This is Huxley’s nightmare come true. Wait another three or four decades and seniors’ homes will be filled with old men listening to gangsta rap and playing Grand Theft Auto.
commented 2015-08-19 21:26:20 -0400
Now Gavin, you know we love you, so I feel as if I need to politiely disagree with you. Not about GamerGate, but with gaming in general. I’m only half your age, but I like to think I’m (almost) as smart as you. I still love playing video games, but that’s not my main focus in life. I’m currently going to school for education and work in retail part time so give myself a decent income. When I’m not doing that I’m at home playing drums (I’m going on ten years this September) and jamming to Dream Theater and Tool, and reading books by authors like Thomas Sowell (I just read your Death of Cool and am currently reading Jim Goad’s Redneck Manifesto). However, I also enjoy gaming, something I’ve done since I was four. I think at this point in the evolution of games it’s become a new way of storytelling (as opposed to Pong or Frogger) and is slowly becoming an art form that is on a course to overtake or become equivalent to film and TV in a generation or so. Those Batman Arkham games your kids are playing are literally like the Dark Knight movies or other classic Batman films, sans the actual gameplay. Now, I’m not advocating people camping out in mumsy and popsy’s basement playing Call of Duty for hours on end. They need to get out and experience life, man! Go to metal concerts, read a magazine or your book, or just take a freakin’ walk around the block! But not everyone who plays games is like that. I get it’s not your thing Gavin, but don’t feel the need to crap on video games. Because in all honesty, sport-mouths are just as bad.
commented 2015-08-19 21:22:55 -0400
Not gonna lie I could probably beat this asshole into the ground fucking dickhead, its hilarious because as he makes fun of the “nerds” of his time he’s dressed exactly fucking like one with his fucking shitty hipster beard and haircut gooo fuck yourself
commented 2015-08-19 21:16:36 -0400

Do you feel that conservatives are the minority? Haven’t you among others discussed the reason why Stephen Harper won and has continued to win elections – because Canada is a conservative country?

Don’t get me wrong – I do think that Canada is mostly a liberal/progressive country and conservatives are the minority, but it seems like you have made it out that liberals are the minority and they are overtaking conservatives.
commented 2015-08-19 20:48:16 -0400
Jimmy, when the Conservatives become the minority it IS rebellious to be Conservative. Is it the majority that rebels against the minority, or the other way around?

In any case, Ezra’s “rebellion” is against the leftwing media sync-think socialist dogma vomited up by the MSM.