From ISIS "root causes" to Syrian refugees, Justin Trudeau "does not believe in the concept of good and evil"

One only has to look at the history of the middle east for the past few thousand years and see the endless religious wars and tribalism that has existed unceasingly in that region. As I suggested before perhaps Trudeau should find the root causes and fix them before importing that hell on earth here. It reminds me of the lofty intentions of the left who suggest we can fix our criminals if we learn the root cause of their behavior. I mean that sounds great right? But in the decades since these ideas were proposed what has changed? Our prisons are still brimming to capacity. Getting to the root cause of anything is a lofty goal but until it is attained I suggest we keep the locks on the prison doors.

We don’t need the middle east’s blood oil. We have enough of our own. Middle east oil gives despots power and money. It fuels their evil. Oil in the Middle East is what bankrolls terrorism world wide. It is blood oil.
It is the root. It is in the Middle East that the most imminent threat to the globe exists. Anyone who is an RT follower,(Putin owned propaganda machine), will be led to believe that the Iranian gov. are straight shooters, an honest bunch. History has shown us differently and the Iranians going nuclear to make a bomb is considered a real threat in the west. Because they hate us. If you are pres. Obambi, then of course you think the opposite. He probably gets his news from RT also. If you want to talk about oil, they also don’t want us to develop ours any further. Why do you think the Saudis don’t want us to develop keystone, or the northern Gateway? Its because they want to keep their market share and we are a threat to their power.
The first world war didn’t start with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austro-Hungary, there were a whole lot of things going on which preceded the beginning of it. Its complicated, it always is, look it up.

An Austrian prince was killed , within minutes a world war had begun. Why the middle east ? Take a look at Africa and what is happening there but we are not sending war planes there. OIL and the West wants it.

It is simplistic,to believe that wars are fought for one reason. The decision to go to war is not easily done and are a culmination of many events. I don’t believe its gone into to win elections,or make money. It usually happens because there is a threat. Stopping the growth of Islamic terrorists and the spread of the caliphate seems like a pretty good reason for Canada to step in. Pulling everybody out of Iraq, made a lot of deaths for nothing. They were stable and we let them be overtaken again. Now Iran is stepping in , in our place, and that is not a good thing. If the west creates a vacuum over there it will be filled. I keep forgetting that some people actually believe what the watch on RT .

Liza I cannot believe that the reason we are bombing Iraq is because of the shooting of the guard. The first time it was because Iraq refused to get out of Kuwait the next time because of WMD and now because of some Musilm shooting a guard who had a rifle but no bullets . The word OIL don’t ring a bell.I’m sure you know that money is made by war,oil and drugs. Why did Margaret Thather go to war with Argentina ? An election was near and her polls were down .War and she was elected. Liza I think we have flogged this enough.

I’ll bite, how about the most recent one at the war memorial and Parliament buildings? Lone wolf right? or the one in Quebec. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/22/world/americas/canadian-soldier-run-down-in-what-officials-call-act-of-terror-dies.html?_r=0
and all the barely publicized ones in between.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-eng.aspx The point really is the spreading infection that is ISIS. You think just because they haven’t raped your 8 year old daughter yet or cut off your head ( oh that did happen in Alberta, but was called workplace violence), that it isn’t here. Stronger measures should have been implemented sooner. All these Mosques preaching death to the infidels should be really closely monitored, and they are starting to be. You think this isn’t war, then you are a fool. You have only to look at the UK, France, Brussels ,where in the free world isn’t Islamicism a threat? You think that isn’t a threat us? Saudi Arabia as Ezra just mentioned is trying to push us around. Palestinian, Hamas, in our country are trying to bully us. Sharia is pushed down our throats. If you don’t think this is an attack then that is your prerogative. Its mine to defend the rights of Canada, a free western country founded on ,Judeo Christian beliefs.

I don’t know what else to say to you. You think this is a political game of Harper against the rest of you, then what could there be to discuss? Do nothing by all means.

Watching a kid hand out knives for beheading people is a concern for any civilised human. What is Turdeau thinking? If he wants to fight root causes we would have take all the kids out, deprogram them, kill the adults, and maybe we would have a chance.

Most of the sites like this one are political sites. This one is clearly a Conservative one. There is nothing wrong with this .Posters trying to raise the poll numbers of their party is what is done when the fear of their party losing support requires drastic measures to stop the slide. When I asked the question ,when was Canada attacked by ISIS there was no answer .If we agree to bomb these countries then state the reason and we can discuss the merits of that reason.

I don’t know what the trust fund kid is breathing, but it sure is not oxygen.
Have you noticed that the gaze of Justin Trudeau’s eyes are about the same as the Premier of Ontario – lacking intelligence and values. My opinion.

Last comment, maybe Trudeau wants to bring over all these extra Syrian refugees because he figures if they’re ignorant enough they just might vote for him? I foresee him trying to spin Harper and the Conservative-led military involvement in Syria against ISIL into the very cause of their exile, thereby inviting and encouraging those same “root causes” of which he speaks so vehemently against to transplant, germinate, bud and grow afresh in Canada.
I’m not religious, but don’t most people agree with the general wisdom behind the parable of teaching someone how to fish rather than giving them a fish? If Canada can assist in stabilizing the armed conflict, securing civilian populations and helping to save human lives, isn’t that a good thing? Trudeau thinks that addressing the root causes means providing Canadian parliamentary-style democratic form of governance and our self-created abundance of economic opportunities to 25,000 more (expressly) Syrian, (implicitly) Muslim refugees of indiscriminate backgrounds and identities. But I wonder how is that any different to, on invitation and in strategm with numerous other western nations, militarily enter a sovereign country to defend its civilian population from foreign threat, especially when the threat is directly aimed at imposing a completely anti-western, extremely barbaric, religious-based law and culture, and realize some kind of territorially vast, fundamentalist Islamic caliphate worthy of even Alexander the Great.
Most Muslims in Canada don’t tend to agree with these basics, while we may dispute here and there over far less important like face veils, burkhas and head scarves. Honour killings = EVIL; Niqab = NOT GOOD/NOT BAD (there’s one of those greyer areas, though I submit citizenship ceremonies, testifying in court, airport security, and regulated activities in general should require showing one’s face. Go ahead and wear a full burkha, but at least show your face and go through an x-ray and body scan/pat-down by a member of your own gender like everyone else. But that’s me.)
Anyone disagree so far?

You want a definition of good and evil? Evil = beheading random people for believing in a different religion. Good = defending random people, with force, if necessary, from being mass-murdered and beheaded by fanatical religious terrorists. That’s one that doesn’t tend to shift or slide much over time, regardless of what Justin Trudeau would have people believe.

Poor governance and lack of economic opportunity, huh? These are the so-called “root causes” behind terrorist jihadist beheadings and mass slaughter of Christians, Jews, the wrong kind of Muslims (whether sunni or shia, or any other religion/denomination, so long as they’re moderate, and sympathetic to western concepts of individual freedom, human rights, secular democracy, etc.) Is Trudeau really attempting to justify this spreading religious barbarism, or is he merely trying to distinguish himself from Harper and the Conservatives yet again, no matter how irrational his position, so long as it’s directly contrary? I honestly don’t credit him with enough intelligence to have given the question much conscious thought and consideration, so I doubt even he knows for sure. It’s probably a mix of both.
What exactly does Trudeau mean when he says “poor governance”? Does he mean the Syrian or other national governments, or ISIL? If anything, by Trudeau’s own standards, ISIL’s governance structure is ruthlessly efficient. Of course it’s much more efficient to simply silence and/or eliminate perceived threats, both real and imagined, than provide opportunities for rational debate and exchange of ideas. As Trudeau himself has explained, China has achieved significant developments by disregarding basic human rights and the rule of law, which are two of the most fundamental and valued pillars of western society. Think about this for a moment: Trudeau openly admires this system of government.
I disagree that he disbelieves in good and evil. Like Ken Conrad, I argue that for him, like most of us, these concepts mark a sliding scale or shifting line in the sand that changes over the course of our lives. However Trudeau has exhibited some absolutes: Conservative/Harper, Bush/insistence upon rational debate = EVIL; Liberal/Trudeau/Moral Relativism and Denial of All Human Judgment of Difference = GOOD.
I wonder who is to support these 25,000 additional unspecified Syrian immigrants/refugees to Canada? Can anyone explain to me why it is that Canada should be responsible for taking in, housing, feeding and supporting them through social welfare and other forms of taxpayer-funded assistance? Is this Trudeau’s solution, to provide them with better governance and more economic opportunities, by bringing them to
Canada? Admittedly, that’s one way to do it, if he was actually interested in assimilating immigrants to Canadian culture and society, which he’s not. But how is it all right to say, on the one hand, that our country has better governance and more economic opportunities but that we owe those benefits to foreign-born individuals, some of which do not share our basic cultural and societal values, while at the same time condemning the provision of Canadian military assistance to those same individuals in an effort to make it safe for them to remain in their own country and make things better from within?
Trudeau needs to wake up and start recognizing that sometimes military action is necessary. As a species, we’re far from being past that stage of our development, although as a fact, the west is not nearly as consumed by day-to-day war and violence as the middle east. How is that not more than mere coincidence?
Rather than provide solutions, Trudeau obscures the issue by resort to the time-honoured liberal tactic of deflection of responsibility. Poor governance and lack of economic opportunity? Come on. Rather than attach responsibility to the Islamic militant groups, he implies that western culture is somehow to blame, and tries to stir up western guilt in order to blind people to the irrationality of his arguments.
Judy and Liza, P.S., loved your comments. Liza especially, Margareth Thatcher is also one of my heroes.
Maurice, lol, better watch out, with that kind of talk you’re liable to earn a fatwa. Also, some good points, but I would seriously watch your over-generalizations (your reference to securing the “Muslim” vote — I suspect there is a large section of the Canadian Muslim population who would disagree with Trudeau as much as we do.)
David Kitchen, we meet again. Clearly you haven’t learned your lesson. Please, I really want to know, are you currently enjoying an involuntary vacation in a rubber room somewhere? You wonder why it is that, according to you, Canadians are more hated in other countries? You tell me, David. I’ve traveled a bit, more than some but not a ton, and have always received an ovewhelmingly positive reception as a Canadian abroad. What is it you’re doing, I wonder, to make you feel that Canadians are hated? Just to confirm, are you a Canadian? Let me guess, from Ontario?
If you aren’t speaking from your own experience, what are the sources or justifications for any of your bizarre comments? I don’t think I’m the only one when I say that they smack of ignorant liberal newspeak.
Also, what impending “depression” are you referencing? Do you mean the slight dip in the Canadian economy caused by dropping world oil/energy prices? If so, surely you must be aware that the overall effect of that is somewhat offset by the increase in Canadian manufacturing and exports because of a lower dollar, such that Canada’s still doing pretty well. It does tend to highlight the economic importance of Canadian energy and natural resource production in places like Alberta, BC, SK, Nfld., and the territories. These are undeniably the modern drivers of the Canadian economy, not Ontario and Quebec. The original two solitudes are now both “have-not” provinces, taking handouts from all the rest of us. Coincidentally, where is it that the majority of immigrants to Canada tend to settle? Hmmmm…..
David Kitchen, your own hatred for Harper and anything labelled “Conservative”, and your clueless, unconditional loyalty to your liberal puppet-master is blinding you to thinking for yourself. You are deluded if you actually think you know the truth. You’ve never seriously sat down and thought about what that means, or whether or not your opinions and views are even valid. You’ve never challenged yourself, and when challenged by others you resort to ad hominem attacks and completely off-topic forms of verbal aggression.
I’ll give you credit for one thing, however. You correctly acknowledge the shame of MPs who abstain or simply fail to show up for votes in the House of Commons. I think it might have been Ezra that suggested sometime ago that we should deduct money from MPs salaries for every missed vote. How about we start a petition for that? I’d donate a few bucks to help build a website…

@ David Kitchen. I have no hatred towards Justin Trudeau, I just think the whole mania is a testament to our gullibility and wish to make a super star out for someone because of their name or because they are considered “cute”. I waited patiently for him to stand up and tell us what he actually stood for and now having heard him I think we both would have fared better not knowing.

In support of Maurice Potvin… No way to give you a thumbs-up but I did like your comment on Justin Trudeau “wanting to find the root causes for Islamic Jihad and terrorism”. I not only liked your comments, I copied the text and saved it to a Word Document for future reference. Is there a chance that Justin’s logic has been impaired by smoking too much dope? We can only guess, but I for one (of many), do not ever want him or his loopy-logic to reach the PMO (Prime Minister’s Office).

Thirty-three MPs were absent for a vote? What are we paying them for then? They are our supposed representatives so what else were they doing that was more important than voting on our behalf? If they could not show-up in person, how long would it take for them to phone-in their vote by using their taxpayer supplied high-end / ultra-secure Blackberry? Is it not illegal for MPs to interfere with their constituent’s right to be represented? Who orchestrated this collusion? What for? So they could then smile and say I didn’t vote for this, that or something else, without even mentioning that they were AWOL and didn’t vote at-all – not to mention the rest of their seal-gang who were in-on the no-show conspiracy. “Name That Game”? The correct answer is… ‘Indirect democracy’ where Canadians can never vote on any issue themselves and those we pay to vote for us, did not show-up (as instructed by some schemer), coincidently, all at the same time. Let’s hope the RCMP will look into this matter just as-soon-as they’re done prosecuting crooked Senators.

Joan, temporary refugee?, isn’t that sort of like a temporary tax. Once its in its in.

justified trudeau, where does he get his ideas

I disagree that Cotler is a coward. I think in his concept of integrity, loyalty is required. He supports the expanded mission, knew it would pass without his vote and so abstained.

IS does not suffer bad governance. They are quite successful to rule – to intimidate – with acts of terror. But they are brutal supremacists who brook no diversity.

We know the root cause and it is not lack of opportunity. The IS leaders are from wealthy families that educated them well. The root cause is fundamentalist Islam.

Why can’t we simply provide temporary refuge to displaced persons until things improve, even if it’s 10-25 years? Most would want to rebuild their home lands anyway. Give them shelter, food, education and society. But not the vote.

Why would anyone automatically assume that their view of the world is the only world view that is based on dispassionate, totally objective, sound “reason” and logic; And everyone who disagrees with them is coming from a place of hatred? That’s logically incoherent. And it also seems extremely arrogant and self-righteous to me.

David K. not D.

David D.,you said to a poster, " Your hate for Trudeau is interfering with your ability to apply reason."
Please insert Harper, in that sentence instead.
Also Margaret Thatcher was as loved as she was hated. She put that country back on the rails for her time there. Labour hated her, thats for sure. She is definitely one of my idols.
The difference between Harper and Trudeau, is that one loves this country and one loves himself.

I’d like to find a list of the MP’s who were not in attendance.

Ezra is right when he states that a MP who refuses to show up to vote is not acceptable.

Islam is the state religion of Saudi Arabia and its law requires that all citizens be Muslims. Neither Saudi citizens nor guest workers have the right of freedom of religion. Here’s a simple proposal regarding the matter of immigration from Muslim countries. Once Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia allow, for example, the building of churches and synagogues in their countries, we’ll consider allowing immigration from Muslim countries.

Judy there is more hate for Trudeau on this site than there ever was for say Margaret Thather and God knows she deserved it. Differences of opinions come from different knowledge . Shared knowledge usually results in a changed opinion. Your hate for Trudeau is interfering with your ability to apply reason.

JT do you have to practice to be this dumb. We should a accept as many Christian Yasidies. ??? As we can as they will have no home to rtn too. Iraq will be split into three parts with Iran control of most of country.

MAURICE good post !!!!!

Keep talking Trudeau, your silly comments are showing the country just how big an idiot you are and every time you stick your foot in your mouth you guarantee Harper a majority
This guy is so far out of touch it is scary, i think we should sent him over there to chat with ISIS so he can work on their “root cause” of why they want to set up an Islamic Caliphate, he can tell them its all wrong and they are misguided.
Never mind it is Islam’s goal for a one world wide Islamic religion, good old Justine wants to hurry it up with mass immigration

If Justin Trudeau truly wants to find the root causes for Islamic Jihad and terrorism, he should be listening to the Islamists themselves. There’s no secret about it; in fact they’re very up front about their “root cause”. Just ask them, dummy! Their “root cause” is the Qur’an and the Hadiths, the “holy” books of Islam, along with the biographical life of their bloodthirsty, barbaric, misogynistic, hegemonic, pedophile of a prophet named Mohammad. You don’t have to believe me, believe them!! Why do you think they shout “Allah Akbar” and “Death to America” when they launch their murderous attacks? Their “root cause” is the Satanic cult of a religion that they embrace. But, of course, to acknowledge that truth would mean to lose the Muslin vote. I don’t believe Justin Trudeau has a conscience in the normal sense, or if he does it’s been stretched and molded to suit his purposes so often, that it’s become useless as a moral guiding force in his life. (I wish I didn’t have to add this but I suppose I do; I in no way believe that all people who proclaim the Muslim faith, fall into the category of radical extremists. And I’m truly grateful for the peace-loving Muslims who fight for pluralism and tolerance, putting their lives on the line every day… but as I’ve said before, if you study the Qur’an and Hadiths, you will come to inescapable conclusion that it is they, who are the true apostates from the faith, and the bloodthirsty savages who practice true orthodoxy).

David KITCHEN…more Muslims have come to Canada under Harper than under the Liberals…so what is your tripe about Harper creating hatred for Muslims? Do you have a clue what you are talking about?…obviously not…also, what is this “depression” you are talking about…our economy is up 2.5 basis points…so considering the state of the world we are in good shape…again what are you talking about?…and what is this ’more hate in Canada than ever before"…HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT pray tell? Are there statistics to prove your point or, again, do you know what you are talking about? Harper is on solid ground with moderate Muslims…and is well informed about their desires as Canadians. I doubt that they are happy about ISIS either…so perhaps you need to seek out the truth of the matter…here.