Thirty-three MPs were absent for the vote on extending Canada's military mission against ISIS. That number is appalling and unacceptable.
There was also one outright abstention, by moral coward Irwin Cotler. Just retire already, Irwin.
Yes, there are legitimate reasons to oppose the war.
The problem is, Justin Trudeau's reasons aren't legitimate. They're foolish.
He's still obsessed with uncovering the "root causes" of the Islamic State's war on the West (and other Muslims.)
Trudeau's new pet cause is letting 25,000 Syrian refugees into Canada.
OK, but from what side of that civil war, Justin? Does he even know?
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It is the root. It is in the Middle East that the most imminent threat to the globe exists. Anyone who is an RT follower,(Putin owned propaganda machine), will be led to believe that the Iranian gov. are straight shooters, an honest bunch. History has shown us differently and the Iranians going nuclear to make a bomb is considered a real threat in the west. Because they hate us. If you are pres. Obambi, then of course you think the opposite. He probably gets his news from RT also. If you want to talk about oil, they also don’t want us to develop ours any further. Why do you think the Saudis don’t want us to develop keystone, or the northern Gateway? Its because they want to keep their market share and we are a threat to their power.
The first world war didn’t start with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austro-Hungary, there were a whole lot of things going on which preceded the beginning of it. Its complicated, it always is, look it up.
and all the barely publicized ones in between.
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-eng.aspx The point really is the spreading infection that is ISIS. You think just because they haven’t raped your 8 year old daughter yet or cut off your head ( oh that did happen in Alberta, but was called workplace violence), that it isn’t here. Stronger measures should have been implemented sooner. All these Mosques preaching death to the infidels should be really closely monitored, and they are starting to be. You think this isn’t war, then you are a fool. You have only to look at the UK, France, Brussels ,where in the free world isn’t Islamicism a threat? You think that isn’t a threat us? Saudi Arabia as Ezra just mentioned is trying to push us around. Palestinian, Hamas, in our country are trying to bully us. Sharia is pushed down our throats. If you don’t think this is an attack then that is your prerogative. Its mine to defend the rights of Canada, a free western country founded on ,Judeo Christian beliefs.
I don’t know what else to say to you. You think this is a political game of Harper against the rest of you, then what could there be to discuss? Do nothing by all means.
Have you noticed that the gaze of Justin Trudeau’s eyes are about the same as the Premier of Ontario – lacking intelligence and values. My opinion.
I’m not religious, but don’t most people agree with the general wisdom behind the parable of teaching someone how to fish rather than giving them a fish? If Canada can assist in stabilizing the armed conflict, securing civilian populations and helping to save human lives, isn’t that a good thing? Trudeau thinks that addressing the root causes means providing Canadian parliamentary-style democratic form of governance and our self-created abundance of economic opportunities to 25,000 more (expressly) Syrian, (implicitly) Muslim refugees of indiscriminate backgrounds and identities. But I wonder how is that any different to, on invitation and in strategm with numerous other western nations, militarily enter a sovereign country to defend its civilian population from foreign threat, especially when the threat is directly aimed at imposing a completely anti-western, extremely barbaric, religious-based law and culture, and realize some kind of territorially vast, fundamentalist Islamic caliphate worthy of even Alexander the Great.
Most Muslims in Canada don’t tend to agree with these basics, while we may dispute here and there over far less important like face veils, burkhas and head scarves. Honour killings = EVIL; Niqab = NOT GOOD/NOT BAD (there’s one of those greyer areas, though I submit citizenship ceremonies, testifying in court, airport security, and regulated activities in general should require showing one’s face. Go ahead and wear a full burkha, but at least show your face and go through an x-ray and body scan/pat-down by a member of your own gender like everyone else. But that’s me.)
Anyone disagree so far?
What exactly does Trudeau mean when he says “poor governance”? Does he mean the Syrian or other national governments, or ISIL? If anything, by Trudeau’s own standards, ISIL’s governance structure is ruthlessly efficient. Of course it’s much more efficient to simply silence and/or eliminate perceived threats, both real and imagined, than provide opportunities for rational debate and exchange of ideas. As Trudeau himself has explained, China has achieved significant developments by disregarding basic human rights and the rule of law, which are two of the most fundamental and valued pillars of western society. Think about this for a moment: Trudeau openly admires this system of government.
I disagree that he disbelieves in good and evil. Like Ken Conrad, I argue that for him, like most of us, these concepts mark a sliding scale or shifting line in the sand that changes over the course of our lives. However Trudeau has exhibited some absolutes: Conservative/Harper, Bush/insistence upon rational debate = EVIL; Liberal/Trudeau/Moral Relativism and Denial of All Human Judgment of Difference = GOOD.
I wonder who is to support these 25,000 additional unspecified Syrian immigrants/refugees to Canada? Can anyone explain to me why it is that Canada should be responsible for taking in, housing, feeding and supporting them through social welfare and other forms of taxpayer-funded assistance? Is this Trudeau’s solution, to provide them with better governance and more economic opportunities, by bringing them to
Canada? Admittedly, that’s one way to do it, if he was actually interested in assimilating immigrants to Canadian culture and society, which he’s not. But how is it all right to say, on the one hand, that our country has better governance and more economic opportunities but that we owe those benefits to foreign-born individuals, some of which do not share our basic cultural and societal values, while at the same time condemning the provision of Canadian military assistance to those same individuals in an effort to make it safe for them to remain in their own country and make things better from within?
Trudeau needs to wake up and start recognizing that sometimes military action is necessary. As a species, we’re far from being past that stage of our development, although as a fact, the west is not nearly as consumed by day-to-day war and violence as the middle east. How is that not more than mere coincidence?
Rather than provide solutions, Trudeau obscures the issue by resort to the time-honoured liberal tactic of deflection of responsibility. Poor governance and lack of economic opportunity? Come on. Rather than attach responsibility to the Islamic militant groups, he implies that western culture is somehow to blame, and tries to stir up western guilt in order to blind people to the irrationality of his arguments.
Judy and Liza, P.S., loved your comments. Liza especially, Margareth Thatcher is also one of my heroes.
Maurice, lol, better watch out, with that kind of talk you’re liable to earn a fatwa. Also, some good points, but I would seriously watch your over-generalizations (your reference to securing the “Muslim” vote — I suspect there is a large section of the Canadian Muslim population who would disagree with Trudeau as much as we do.)
David Kitchen, we meet again. Clearly you haven’t learned your lesson. Please, I really want to know, are you currently enjoying an involuntary vacation in a rubber room somewhere? You wonder why it is that, according to you, Canadians are more hated in other countries? You tell me, David. I’ve traveled a bit, more than some but not a ton, and have always received an ovewhelmingly positive reception as a Canadian abroad. What is it you’re doing, I wonder, to make you feel that Canadians are hated? Just to confirm, are you a Canadian? Let me guess, from Ontario?
If you aren’t speaking from your own experience, what are the sources or justifications for any of your bizarre comments? I don’t think I’m the only one when I say that they smack of ignorant liberal newspeak.
Also, what impending “depression” are you referencing? Do you mean the slight dip in the Canadian economy caused by dropping world oil/energy prices? If so, surely you must be aware that the overall effect of that is somewhat offset by the increase in Canadian manufacturing and exports because of a lower dollar, such that Canada’s still doing pretty well. It does tend to highlight the economic importance of Canadian energy and natural resource production in places like Alberta, BC, SK, Nfld., and the territories. These are undeniably the modern drivers of the Canadian economy, not Ontario and Quebec. The original two solitudes are now both “have-not” provinces, taking handouts from all the rest of us. Coincidentally, where is it that the majority of immigrants to Canada tend to settle? Hmmmm…..
David Kitchen, your own hatred for Harper and anything labelled “Conservative”, and your clueless, unconditional loyalty to your liberal puppet-master is blinding you to thinking for yourself. You are deluded if you actually think you know the truth. You’ve never seriously sat down and thought about what that means, or whether or not your opinions and views are even valid. You’ve never challenged yourself, and when challenged by others you resort to ad hominem attacks and completely off-topic forms of verbal aggression.
I’ll give you credit for one thing, however. You correctly acknowledge the shame of MPs who abstain or simply fail to show up for votes in the House of Commons. I think it might have been Ezra that suggested sometime ago that we should deduct money from MPs salaries for every missed vote. How about we start a petition for that? I’d donate a few bucks to help build a website…
IS does not suffer bad governance. They are quite successful to rule – to intimidate – with acts of terror. But they are brutal supremacists who brook no diversity.
We know the root cause and it is not lack of opportunity. The IS leaders are from wealthy families that educated them well. The root cause is fundamentalist Islam.
Why can’t we simply provide temporary refuge to displaced persons until things improve, even if it’s 10-25 years? Most would want to rebuild their home lands anyway. Give them shelter, food, education and society. But not the vote.
Please insert Harper, in that sentence instead.
Also Margaret Thatcher was as loved as she was hated. She put that country back on the rails for her time there. Labour hated her, thats for sure. She is definitely one of my idols.
The difference between Harper and Trudeau, is that one loves this country and one loves himself.
This guy is so far out of touch it is scary, i think we should sent him over there to chat with ISIS so he can work on their “root cause” of why they want to set up an Islamic Caliphate, he can tell them its all wrong and they are misguided.
Never mind it is Islam’s goal for a one world wide Islamic religion, good old Justine wants to hurry it up with mass immigration