During the election, the Liberals promised to take action to get handguns and assault weapons off the street.
That promise sort of made it into the Throne Speech though the reference was vague and didn’t seem to mean much.
We know from Quebec’s Interim Public Security Minister Pierre Moreau, that there will be a gun registry in Quebec but nothing from the federal Liberals about a federal gun registry.
They did talk about handguns and assault rifles but rational people understand that when crimes are committed with these types of weapons, they’re usually committed by criminals who don’t register their weapons.
So what did the Throne Speech tell us about law-abiding gun owners who use those types of guns for perfectly legal past-times?
The short answer is, nothing, because the Liberals still haven’t told us.
We’ll continue to cover this issue, taking care to use proper terminology. We’ll keep searching for clarity from the Liberals and report back to you. And we’ll do it without the anti-gun bias you get from the media party.
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Knock yourself out, but if you have no legal research experience pouring through constitutional defense precedent and “Hogg” it can be a circular chase – just stick to trying to understand the provisions and intent of the criminal code deference to the right to defensive force. Our Criminal code clearly delineates the difference between defensive and offensive use of force. That part isn’t arcane mystic legalese.
As for what constitutes reasonable defensive force, that test has long been established by the courts as a “force equals force” defense and was clarified recently in code law – if you are attacked by an unarmed attacker it is usually unreasonable to shoot them or beat them with a baseball bat, however that is a matter of whether you are a strong 20yr old capable male being assaulted in a bar or a frail 60 year old woman assaulted in her home – if you genuinely fear for your life, armed response to a criminal potentially lethal assault is justified. There is no need to “retreat” from an attacker or intruder in your own home so Canada has a defacto “stand your ground” law – in any event they all stem from statute law recognising the charter section 26 inherent common law right to the use of arms for self defense and to uphold the law. Read CCC S25 (which identifies a private person as an agent to enforce the law) and S34-S40 where all the provisions for self defense and citizen’s arrest are enumerated. BTW – both you and an attacker can be “armed” if you employ a “Weapon” , which can range from a rock or stick to a sophisticated modern firearm.
Hitler for example loosened gun and ammo regulations right after he came to power.
There has been no militia or places with large gun rights that have been successful at keeping freedoms. In fact, the places with the largest gun ownership/militias were the most successful at defeating freedom or creating a dictator. (Vietnam, Cuba, Somalia etc).
The whole argument for keeping guns to stop the government is a crock. In all of history there hasn’t been a successful use of civilian arms to protect freedom (even the American Revolution).
According to their platform, the gun registry is off the table. And the Liberal Party is very vocal about keeping to their platform by the letter.
The lessons of world war 2 seem to have been lost. I can see now how the German people during the years that lead up to the Nazis were helpless to stop them. When they tried they were imprisoned or killed. The Chretien Liberals threatened Canadians with imprisonment if they failed to register their guns. The majority of Canadians did not believe in gun registration but Chretien ordered all MP`s to vote for it or be fired. It is my belief that the Chretien Liberals finally paid a dear price for this totalitarian rule. Many people seem to have forgotten just how tyrannical the Liberals were then and how they are that way once again.
If the Trudeau Liberals try to bring back a gun registry, many citizens feel that it will be their duty as a free people to not comply and to not give in to tyranny.
@sam Young: I do notice they’ve stopped panhandling for polls – whatever happened to that poll on Syrian refugees? If I had to guess, I’d say their poll results don’t really tend to agree with the message they want to send. There were a couple where they actually admitted “we were surprised by the results” before they stopped asking entirely. Part of their message is presenting as a coherent, united, growing right wing front, but this illusion is thin and easily shattered, the polling illustrates that they remain very much a fringe movement. At 100k pageviews a day, there’s no way they’re making money at it, which brings to mind the question of an unstated third party sponsorship – which agrees with the degree to which they seem to need to present a coherent front.
That is a statist myth. Canadians inherited the Rights of British subjects as enumerated in Crown Jurist Sir William Blackstone’s commentaries on inherent British civil liberties. The 5th one down is the right to arms for self defense – the US founding fathers used Blackstone’s enumerated civil liberties to construct the US bill of rights and its second amendment. Like-wise Canadian statute law has always deferred to the inherent civil rights of British subjects – armed defense among them, as can be seen in the Canadian Criminal code sections allowing for justified force in self defense and citizen’s arrest powers- our charter recognizes Blackstone’s enumerated rights of the citizen (right to armed self defense among them)through section 26 of the charter which affirms all rights of the individual which pre-existed the formation of the Canadian state are still in effect and recognised by the courts as existing inherently in the individual. There are several appellate court decisions citing this
Today is December 6th…..for many years my family (I grew up in Halifax) would gatther at my great aunt’s home for a family dinner on that date so that those who were there the day of the Halifax explosion could tell their stories. Her name was Daisey Coolen….one of the last survivors of the event…10 days old at the time…was at today’s memorial on Fort Needham hill….her name is Coolen….we are related…but we have never met. Coolen is derived from Irish Gaelic…Cu Chulainn….pronounced with one of those clear your throat consonants that have no English equivalent …sort of like “cahoolin”…but most of the Coolens never learned that….it was the “nom de guerre” of an Irish hero.
All of this history will probably die with me….the family doesn’t gather anymore to tell it.
Today has been commandeered as another aniversary of casualties of another conflict….need I say more.
But if a feminist hot head had of killed a dozen young men while shouting “Je haie le Patriarchie”….they would have named the school after her…..
And even if the gun control advocates had there way….which they did all during the time that Chretien and Alan Rock had power…..there was nothing whatsoever in all of the measures they took that would have prevented Mark Lepin nor anybody like minded from lawfully aquiring and possesing a Ruger Mini14.
I will wait for the commerative edition before lawfully buying one…..sorry if I sound like a jaded old cynic.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-tactical-unit-investigate-home-in-the-maples-1.3352341
“Holophobia is a scary thing.”
Why the f**k would they censor that!?
God-given right? You’re going to have to provide a citation for that one.
The Second Amendment is neither divine, nor applicable in Canada.
If anything, the number of mass shootings in the States indicates that if anything, rules should be tighter to reduce the incidence of terrorism.
But you can tell because its the same old BS mouth of old Jimmy.”
I was wondering that or that Sean Penson character or Andrew Stephenson. I kinda thought that Jimmy not only has not gone away but has also taken on more than one persona. I have been trying to figure out which ones.