December 05, 2015

Gun registry or not? What the Throne Speech said (or didn’t say) about gun ownership

Brian LilleyArchive

During the election, the Liberals promised to take action to get handguns and assault weapons off the street. 

That promise sort of made it into the Throne Speech though the reference was vague and didn’t seem to mean much.

We know from Quebec’s Interim Public Security Minister Pierre Moreau, that there will be a gun registry in Quebec but nothing from the federal Liberals about a federal gun registry.

They did talk about handguns and assault rifles but rational people understand that when crimes are committed with these types of weapons, they’re usually committed by criminals who don’t register their weapons.

So what did the Throne Speech tell us about law-abiding gun owners who use those types of guns for perfectly legal past-times?

The short answer is, nothing, because the Liberals still haven’t told us.

We’ll continue to cover this issue, taking care to use proper terminology. We’ll keep searching for clarity from the Liberals and report back to you. And we’ll do it without the anti-gun bias you get from the media party.


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commented 2015-12-08 01:55:33 -0500
Mark David Johnson we are losing our rights in this country, and we have gun control. Please explain?
commented 2015-12-08 01:54:16 -0500
Mark what about Switzerland, you notice they have far less crime.
commented 2015-12-08 01:53:27 -0500
Mark you think Cuba is pro gun? You really need to grab a brain.
commented 2015-12-08 01:51:53 -0500
Mark David Johnson that is pure BS.
commented 2015-12-07 23:39:35 -0500
Andrew Stephenson commented – "@bill Elder, I’ll look into what you’ve said."

Knock yourself out, but if you have no legal research experience pouring through constitutional defense precedent and “Hogg” it can be a circular chase – just stick to trying to understand the provisions and intent of the criminal code deference to the right to defensive force. Our Criminal code clearly delineates the difference between defensive and offensive use of force. That part isn’t arcane mystic legalese.

As for what constitutes reasonable defensive force, that test has long been established by the courts as a “force equals force” defense and was clarified recently in code law – if you are attacked by an unarmed attacker it is usually unreasonable to shoot them or beat them with a baseball bat, however that is a matter of whether you are a strong 20yr old capable male being assaulted in a bar or a frail 60 year old woman assaulted in her home – if you genuinely fear for your life, armed response to a criminal potentially lethal assault is justified. There is no need to “retreat” from an attacker or intruder in your own home so Canada has a defacto “stand your ground” law – in any event they all stem from statute law recognising the charter section 26 inherent common law right to the use of arms for self defense and to uphold the law. Read CCC S25 (which identifies a private person as an agent to enforce the law) and S34-S40 where all the provisions for self defense and citizen’s arrest are enumerated. BTW – both you and an attacker can be “armed” if you employ a “Weapon” , which can range from a rock or stick to a sophisticated modern firearm.
commented 2015-12-07 18:45:35 -0500
Jack, you’d be wrong in that for a true dictatorship you’d need to be rid of guns.
Hitler for example loosened gun and ammo regulations right after he came to power.
There has been no militia or places with large gun rights that have been successful at keeping freedoms. In fact, the places with the largest gun ownership/militias were the most successful at defeating freedom or creating a dictator. (Vietnam, Cuba, Somalia etc).

The whole argument for keeping guns to stop the government is a crock. In all of history there hasn’t been a successful use of civilian arms to protect freedom (even the American Revolution).
commented 2015-12-07 18:15:59 -0500
I agree Mark. I don’t want a gun or one near my family, but I most definitely understand that for a true dictatorship to exist they must get rid of guns. That is why the French monarchs were able to lord themselves over a massive population and why the rebels went for the armoury in the Bastille.
According to their platform, the gun registry is off the table. And the Liberal Party is very vocal about keeping to their platform by the letter.
commented 2015-12-07 14:30:31 -0500
Gun ownership is not just a human right, it is a duty. Even those who hate guns must admit that at least somebody has to have guns to stop bad people from harming others. In Canada, we have the police and military who are our given this responsibility to ensure our safety and security. But the police and the military can`t do it all and are hired by citizens to do this work to the best of their ability. We are their bosses. Citizens are the ultimate authority, not the police or the military who sometimes abuse their power too. And politicians are civil servants, hired by the people. Canadian citizens are their bosses too. We tell them what to do, not the other way around. The idea that the police and military and politicians are the bosses of the people has to be squashed right now because that is what has lead to genocide and the destruction of civilization throughout history. We hire politicians to represent us, but that system is not perfect and is full of flaws. As we can see now, the Liberals and NDP do as they please, even without the blessings of all the citizens. They get some of the citizenry behind them and then think they are the ultimate authority and don`t have to listen to citizens who do not agree with them, even if a majority of citizens are against what they are doing.
The lessons of world war 2 seem to have been lost. I can see now how the German people during the years that lead up to the Nazis were helpless to stop them. When they tried they were imprisoned or killed. The Chretien Liberals threatened Canadians with imprisonment if they failed to register their guns. The majority of Canadians did not believe in gun registration but Chretien ordered all MP`s to vote for it or be fired. It is my belief that the Chretien Liberals finally paid a dear price for this totalitarian rule. Many people seem to have forgotten just how tyrannical the Liberals were then and how they are that way once again.
If the Trudeau Liberals try to bring back a gun registry, many citizens feel that it will be their duty as a free people to not comply and to not give in to tyranny.
commented 2015-12-07 13:29:15 -0500
Well, at this point what turdo la doo might do as far as guns are concerned is just speculation. However, given the track record of previous Liberal governments on that subject, and the proclivity of Liberals for useless bureaucracies, firearms owners would be silly to think that things will be left as they are. And firearms owners would be even sillier to think that their hunting and shooting associations would organize alliances or mount an effective offense if (when) Tinkerbell decides to continue where Rock left off.
commented 2015-12-07 12:55:54 -0500
Sam, you’ve put Edward Moore’s nightie in a knot. Please stick with the … um …“untruths” they’re used of seeing here. That way they don’t get all personal.
commented 2015-12-07 09:08:28 -0500
@bill Elder, I’ll look into what you’ve said. It does need to be said that the courts seem to draw a line as to what’s reasonable for self-defense, as in you’re not allowed to murder someone when they pose no threat of material harm. This differs from American law where you ARE (at least theoretically) allowed an inalienable right to self-defense no matter degree.

@sam Young: I do notice they’ve stopped panhandling for polls – whatever happened to that poll on Syrian refugees? If I had to guess, I’d say their poll results don’t really tend to agree with the message they want to send. There were a couple where they actually admitted “we were surprised by the results” before they stopped asking entirely. Part of their message is presenting as a coherent, united, growing right wing front, but this illusion is thin and easily shattered, the polling illustrates that they remain very much a fringe movement. At 100k pageviews a day, there’s no way they’re making money at it, which brings to mind the question of an unstated third party sponsorship – which agrees with the degree to which they seem to need to present a coherent front.
commented 2015-12-07 08:42:18 -0500
Hello,my name is Sam Young, and I am an idiot on the dole. Please send me more of your hard earned money to support my lazy ways.
commented 2015-12-07 03:04:29 -0500
Hello, my name is Brian Lilley, and I am a gun nut. I can’t go to sleep knowing that the portrait of the queen has been taken down, and I never shut up about asking for donations or petition signatures. Will you go to our new website, and help fund our poll? A big part of the money raised really isn’t going to pay for professional services. Rather, it is to help pay for my pay cheque. You see, we are not earning enough money from ad revenue or from sales of my book on the CBC. So now I just blow up minor issues, to make it look like I am here to defend your rights. But I need your hard earned money in order to protect our Canadian values and freedom. Remember, I’m on your side.
commented 2015-12-06 23:14:07 -0500
I suspect that gun control will come by the inventive measures used by the Obama Administration. While on the face of it, keep those who are on no-fly lists from getting guns sounds like a good idea. But hold on. How does one get onto a no-fly list? Known ties to a terrorist organization is the one sure way, of course. But one can only be placed on a no-fly list by being a member of the NRA. Or, for having libertarian views. Or, by being skeptical and outspoken about the government. Or, by being a survivalist, and stockpiling food and other survival aids. Or, reading certain types of literatures deemed filled with dangerous ideas. Or, even already being a gun owner and having filed all the appropriate documentation. In other words, the potential for everyone to wind up on a no-fly list is very high. Conceivably, the whole population could be placed on a no-fly list and effectively banned from owning a firearm. That is blanket gun control through the door of National Security policy. I’m sure Trudeau is watching and learning much from Obama.
commented 2015-12-06 21:34:43 -0500
Andrew Stephenson commented -“God-given right? You’re going to have to provide a citation for that one. The Second Amendment is neither divine, nor applicable in Canada."

That is a statist myth. Canadians inherited the Rights of British subjects as enumerated in Crown Jurist Sir William Blackstone’s commentaries on inherent British civil liberties. The 5th one down is the right to arms for self defense – the US founding fathers used Blackstone’s enumerated civil liberties to construct the US bill of rights and its second amendment. Like-wise Canadian statute law has always deferred to the inherent civil rights of British subjects – armed defense among them, as can be seen in the Canadian Criminal code sections allowing for justified force in self defense and citizen’s arrest powers- our charter recognizes Blackstone’s enumerated rights of the citizen (right to armed self defense among them)through section 26 of the charter which affirms all rights of the individual which pre-existed the formation of the Canadian state are still in effect and recognised by the courts as existing inherently in the individual. There are several appellate court decisions citing this
commented 2015-12-06 19:29:06 -0500
The Magna Carta was repealed and re-instated four times….the first because the signature was coerced by force….a valid legal point….as chairman Mao said “make no mistake political power eminates from the barrel of a gun” and the perrenial gun debate is an issue of mutual mistrust….nothing more…nothing less.

Today is December 6th…..for many years my family (I grew up in Halifax) would gatther at my great aunt’s home for a family dinner on that date so that those who were there the day of the Halifax explosion could tell their stories. Her name was Daisey Coolen….one of the last survivors of the event…10 days old at the time…was at today’s memorial on Fort Needham hill….her name is Coolen….we are related…but we have never met. Coolen is derived from Irish Gaelic…Cu Chulainn….pronounced with one of those clear your throat consonants that have no English equivalent …sort of like “cahoolin”…but most of the Coolens never learned that….it was the “nom de guerre” of an Irish hero.

All of this history will probably die with me….the family doesn’t gather anymore to tell it.

Today has been commandeered as another aniversary of casualties of another conflict….need I say more.

But if a feminist hot head had of killed a dozen young men while shouting “Je haie le Patriarchie”….they would have named the school after her…..

And even if the gun control advocates had there way….which they did all during the time that Chretien and Alan Rock had power…..there was nothing whatsoever in all of the measures they took that would have prevented Mark Lepin nor anybody like minded from lawfully aquiring and possesing a Ruger Mini14.

I will wait for the commerative edition before lawfully buying one…..sorry if I sound like a jaded old cynic.
commented 2015-12-06 16:06:46 -0500
The Magna Carta is not a divine document either. Nor does it endorse firearms (it predates firearms), or even self-defense in the way it’s typically cited by the gun lobby – it is in fact more of an endorsement of due legal process, ie, a right to fair trial as defence against unjust accusations by rulers. Interestingly, the Second Amendment, intended to discourage British retaliation for the Revolutionary war, is in essence a direct rejection of everything the British crown stood for, including historical documents such as the Magna Carta.
commented 2015-12-06 13:45:23 -0500
Hey Andrew….have you ever heard of the Magna Carta? I thought not. Go get an education. And God does exist for me. If He doesn’t for you…I’m elated.
commented 2015-12-06 13:39:31 -0500
Dan Mancuso, I left a comment on CBC about gun control a couple of days ago and they also disabled it. I said that the $15-$20,000,000.00 that it would cost, according to CTV, might save more lives spent differently. Or maybe they just didn’t like the fact that I mentioned CTV.
commented 2015-12-06 13:31:04 -0500
Andrew Exactly. Love how they old Righttards quote God or Jesus all the time. If there was a God , how come ole Harpy is never won the election? In fact he embarrassed his party. Maybe he prayed to Allah.
commented 2015-12-06 13:20:29 -0500
DREW …No way. I’d never go toe to toe with you. That would probably never happenthough because you seem like a backstabber. Plus I’d get the upper hand right away. " Hey Drew A Dime on the ground! " SMACK SMACK! Fights over. But thanks for the offer.
commented 2015-12-06 13:11:22 -0500
MARTY ASHFIELD … well done. You’re smart. You should be doing the Rebel’s investigative reportin , leaving Ezra to more important things. Like going after the PC’s leadership for 2020
commented 2015-12-06 13:01:58 -0500
Prepare for confiscation. Only criminals will have guns. All dictatorial Gov’ts fear an armed populace. Harder to enforce their molestation of the public!
commented 2015-12-06 12:57:17 -0500
DARRYL TESKEY …truth hurts eh?
commented 2015-12-06 12:45:48 -0500
“If you are really a freedom loving citizen, willing to fight for your God given right to protect your family and home

God-given right? You’re going to have to provide a citation for that one.

The Second Amendment is neither divine, nor applicable in Canada.
commented 2015-12-06 12:43:41 -0500
2 million gun owners in a nation of 35 million. This is never more than a fringe issue.

If anything, the number of mass shootings in the States indicates that if anything, rules should be tighter to reduce the incidence of terrorism.
commented 2015-12-06 11:33:20 -0500
High river was a shopping trip by the rcmp to see if the old registry was accurate, Even when the libs had the registry no one registered there guns , possibly one they hunted with, thats about it. They can bring on all the laws they want no one will register again. Handing the rcmp the decision on what to ban is likley what they will do. It will be pretty much useless, really not that hard to get weapons if one wants to. All the libs want is for the msm to bleet about how they will save lives with more bans and gov regulations.Besides gun owners who have to defend there homes of families will not be to worried about what some idiot liberal thinks when the time comes they have to look after themselves. Especially rural canada when seconds count the rcmp are half an hour to one hour away. Liberals just dont understand and never will. Most will just ignore whatever ban or new useless regulation they put into place. Just like the last time.
commented 2015-12-06 11:28:42 -0500
Marty Ashfield said, “You all know that Don Cloud is actually duh Silva posting as ‘Don Cloud’ right. He can’t post as duh Silva so here he is as Don Cloud.
But you can tell because its the same old BS mouth of old Jimmy.”

I was wondering that or that Sean Penson character or Andrew Stephenson. I kinda thought that Jimmy not only has not gone away but has also taken on more than one persona. I have been trying to figure out which ones.
commented 2015-12-06 11:25:06 -0500
The LPC has no firm firearm policy yet because they have to figure out how to turn this into a money grab from tax payers and turn it to additional Public Union jobs for those from Gatineau. Both going hand in hand together of course.