August 02, 2015

Harper faces off against his other election campaign foes: The Media Party

Brian LilleyArchive

The Canadian federal election is underway. I was there to cover the prime minister's announcement, and the Media Party's immediate (and predictable) reaction.

The media is obsessed with the notion that Harper has timed the election announcement to give the Tories an unfair advantage. Some of their "questions" were more like statements and accusations.

This campaign isn't just the usual party vs. party election. This time, it pits the unions, the NDP, the Liberals and the media against the Conservatives.

PS: Did you see Kathleen Wynne's reaction on Twitter?

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commented 2015-08-06 09:31:40 -0400
Wowee! Look at all the Al Rose hate posts!!

No wonder you’ve had problems with women, Al Rose. You have repeatedly indulged your anal expulsive misogyny on a complete stranger, just becase I am a woman.

If you can’t stand any woman to disagree with you then maybe you are right to stay away because I will not be cowed by your hatred.
commented 2015-08-05 06:44:51 -0400
ABERNATHY well after a good nights sleep i have decided to take the Rebel off my port of call.
I believe in the Rebel and Ezra but people like you just make it a horrible experience.
It is the advise i would give to anyone else who found it being a bad experience here because of people like you who make it their own little sandbox to make fun of,insult and belittle people.
Everyone has a right to their own views no matter how silly they might seem to others but you do not believe that, there is one view in the world, yours.
Have fun in your little sandbox Joan, if you answer it will be on deaf ears and will prove you do it for attention.
commented 2015-08-04 22:30:37 -0400
The elaboration is at the top of page 5 my post to Judy
I give the links so you or anyone interested can see what i said without as you would accuse me, any changes
commented 2015-08-04 22:11:23 -0400
JOAN ABERNATHY i see a post but i thought i elaborated much more, this must be the one that set you off, look on page 8
Also i see i related my story re the alcoholic girl to Judy and i clearly say in it, and i quote “I took her to A&A meetings, its a long story, too long to go into here” page 5.

You will never find anywhere that i said i met her at AA that is a fabrication of your mind.
Before you assassinate a person’s character at least know something about them.
There is something very evil about the way you twist a person’s words, maybe others would shrug it off but i would fight to the death to defend my character against anyone who tries to assassinate it
commented 2015-08-04 21:44:19 -0400
JOAN ABERNETHY Your brain really does short circuit,that was not the post i was looking for,,,,,, anyway what post? ,in that link you showed i see my name nowhere , that particular story about men’s rights group i hadn’t seen until this moment, so again you are wrong
I see just one page of posts and i am nowhere there.
The one i was looking for was my original one where i related my experience with abuse by females .
The one you completely mangled what i said

Another quote " Two,kids in a knife-enforced home? Daddy bleeding from the gut. Yeah, stay together for the kids. Geesh!!
Your dumping on me when she did the stabbing, and it was in the wrist, can t you read, and the kids were in bed .
Would it ever enter your head that she was the one with the problem, no i did nt think so, you philosophy is men bad women good
Good god , your mind is screwed even when a male tries to help a female thats evil to you
And no you silly woman i would not re write it ( my original post), the very fact you said that tells me that is what you would do, now you attack my integrity
And i never said i met her in AA thats how messed up you are , i know what i said, and i always speak the truth so what i said then is the same now.
I have reacted as i have because what you said to me, that i have a view that women need a good kick now and then is character assassination to me, to say that to someone who thinks abuse against females is truly evil and horrible , and those who do are the scum of the earth, well its evil

Lets see now, the picture you have painted of me
I need a homeless shelter. ( if i was have left why would nt i go there, i have a boat i could live on, i did for 3 summers )
I met a girl in AA ( your untruthful words) so i must be an alcoholic, what else would i be doing there if i wasn’t so your inference is i am an alcoholic
You can mangle sponsor anyway you like,she was my girlfriend and i was trying to help her from drinking herself to death, but oh no to you i was being evil in some way
In reference to me helping an alcoholic your Quote “yet you ignored her best interests to try to satisfy your own”
And what interest was i selfishly trying to satisfy.
You stupid woman i was helping the girl, but i guess in your world men are just plain evil
Your inference is i would kick a woman Your Quote again “. And for what? Because I disagree with your views about women needing a good metaphorical kick to shut us up” You just said it is my view
That one statement is what caused me to react this way,you said i have a view that women need a good kick once in a while
That is an evil thing to say to someone who is the complete opposite of the picture you have and are painting of me,you know nothing about me other than i got extremely defensive with your " woman kick" comment
But in the end i suppose i should have just let it go as a comment from a silly stupid men hating idiot who doesn’t know any better
I never read your past post and its just as well but in looking for my original one i was right, but i see you said a lot of rotten made up things about me which does not surprise me.

And another silly Quote “As you can also see, my initial comment was a critique of his flawed research”
I was ’nt looking for what you seemed to think i was looking for.I was looking for my original post that started this whole thing.
Maybe if i say it slow you will get it
Your so smart miss smarty pants, you said i wanted to find it and make changes then repost it with changes , ok miss smarty pants ,you find it, give me the link, and i will post it in its original form as i intended to do, well lets see you put your money where your mouth is.
Its not there, it was removed for some reason but i will look again,
commented 2015-08-04 20:30:59 -0400
Peter Netterville, By the time Harper took office, our government had shifted so far left, he had to struggle just to bring it back to centre and set it on an even, balanced course. He had to be pragmatic. His long-term goal, to make the Conservative Party of Canada the natural ruling party of Canada, required he sacrifice hard-right principles for gradual right-leaning society.

I think he may have succeeded.

In a free society, hard-right Christians can worship and practice in safety. Not in a hard-left society. Our government is far from perfect but it has succeeded to protect democracy. So far.
commented 2015-08-04 20:08:46 -0400
Jason said, “With that said, I have come to terms with the fact that Canada is just not ready for a real conservative government.”

Yes, Harper is not all that true blue, but there is no way a true blue Conservative party would ever hold office for more that a few minutes, if it even got elected.

I am not all that happy with Harpers’ just right of center governing, but I would rather he be in the PM chair than far , far Mulcair or brain dead communist Trudeau.
commented 2015-08-04 20:03:49 -0400
Ah yes the media party, a bastion of honesty, integrity and fairness!!
commented 2015-08-04 18:30:19 -0400
Al Rose – Looked and looked but couldn’t find it yet it took me two seconds: here is the original:

As you can see, it is about Justin Trottier and his men’s movement lobby for funding for men’s shelters.

As you can also see, my initial comment was a critique of his flawed research, just as I said. To which you and a number of other men in the “silence feminists” camp replied with personal attacks.
commented 2015-08-04 18:16:52 -0400
Well, I am certainly not a raving pro-Harper fanatic for numerous reasons. With that said, I have come to terms with the fact that Canada is just not ready for a real conservative government. The NDP and Liberals would be an absolute disaster, so I plan to stick with what I know.
commented 2015-08-04 18:12:19 -0400
Al Rose – Two,kids in a knife-enforced home? Daddy bleeding from the gut. Yeah, stay together for the kids. Geesh!!

You claim you can’t find your original post. B.S. You just want to re-write it to try to make me look bad. That fact alone makes my point.

You didn’t say you were sponsoring the girl you met at AA. That is just my point. You claim you were trying to “help” her – that is the meaning of “sponsor”. Yet you know that is taboo in AA. Men don’t physically try to stop women from drinking for obvious reasons of implied exploitation. Now you have changed your story from just a few posts ago. Now you weren’t trying to help her but just happened to be dating her. You said in the thread you claim you can’t find that you met her at AA. That is why I called you on your claim you were this woman’s victim, because you knew you should not 13th step this woman.

Regarding shelters, that was what the story was about. It was about Justin Trottier’s men’s movement to lobby for funding for men’s shelters.

As to your quote of mine – funny you could find that but not the rest of the thread. Never mind.

Ever heard of a metaphor?

What you have been doing here and now is repeatedly and viciously metaphorically kicking me and kicking me and kicking me, trying to hurt me with lies and your hatred. And for what? Because I disagree with your views about women needing a good metaphorical kick to shut us up.
commented 2015-08-04 17:51:53 -0400
JOAN ABERNETHY You really do live in a never, never land of your own making
Sorry everyone i do not mean to hijack the threads but ,Joan is so of full of crap it is mind boggling and i need to defend myself against her twisted views and lies.
I wanted to re post my original thread but i don’t see it, i don’t know if they removed it or not. i see judy’s answers to me and Joan’s which i didn’t read anyway.

You post on here and you forget who said what and what anyone said, and attribute what one person said to another person.
I never " bemoaned " about being a victim, i just related my experience to the subject at hand, period.
I am, and never was in any financial situation that i would have to " seek safety" at a homeless shelter, i was in a married relationship and we had an argument and she got aggressive with a knife.The argument ended there, she was the one who called the police about her stabbing me, the police asked if i wanted to lay charges, i said no, they said they could lay charges, i told them not to.
Don’t make it out to be anything other than i just stated, married people have problems and don’t just walk out and leave because of an argument, maybe your that shallow but when 2 kids are involved one just doesn’t walk out .

How in the world does being stabbed once in the wrist translate to being stabbed “repeatedly” there is no end to how you will justify your vivid imagination running wild with fiction, or being stabbed at two different occasions, year apart, how does that translate to " repeatedly" your flair for drama known no bounds.

And again your vivid mind conjures up fiction, show me where i said i was sponsoring the girl i mentioned was an alcoholic.
Where in the world did you get that i met her at an AA meeting, that has a connotation that i am an alcoholic, i don’t drink, i don’t like booze, never did
She was the sister of a girl i used to go out with previously, i ran into this girl years later , we started going out , she told me she was an alcoholic, i knew nothing about it at that time, but i learned really fast, she had a bad alcohol problem.
I went to AA meeting with her, she already had a sponsor.
She wasn’t as you say “in withrawal” she was far from it, and do not try to speak of things you know nothing about,you fit everything into neat little boxes, every situation is different and you know nothing of what it was other than your vivid imagination creating a fiction as you always do, try to belittle people in order to make your self look some what intelligent, yes you are very intelligent but, you make things up and twist what people say,
Maybe you would just say ohhhhh screw that and walk away, i wanted to help her, it was a shame to see her go that way and she had a beautiful little girl.
That seems to be your answer to everything , just walk away
It is heartbreaking to see someone go through that, she had been in the hospital psych ward for her problem, in Whitby mental health.
I stayed with and tried to help her, something i gather you would never do

Now this is your Quote to me that started this whole thing off, your quote that i said is your reference to me kicking women.
“The man sleeping next to the woman with a knife who also claims he’s been stabbed by women repeatedly?
See anything wrong with his generalization from that lifestyle to the rationalization all women need a good kick now and then "
You said in that statement that i rationalization all women need a good kick now and then , that is saying i kick women, that i abuse women, those are your words,or that i am of the mindset that i would kick a woman
Even if you didn’t directly say i kick women you inferred i am the type of person who would do such a thing.
I repeat, i have never hit, kicked, abuse women in any shape or form , but you can’t accept that can you, all men are evil to you,

And this so called comment about some Justin guy and some shelter, show me anything that i said about any shelter, all i ever said is that abuse against men is not taken seriously.
Go back and find that post and you will see you must have answered someone else,
I never at any time mentioned anything about shelters, again you are twisting and jumbling things
At least people will get to understand how your silly mind works.
commented 2015-08-04 17:48:21 -0400
Rick – An awful lot of people scam welfare, it’s true. Most do so to supplement income from criminal activity and to avoid paying taxes. In my view, that is a criminal justice issue. Prosecute them.

Healthy people want to work. When I worked with the homeless, we found most were men in their 50s who lost their jobs then their families from the stress of sudden poverty. They couldn’t get work with no money for laundry, no phone, etc. their only option was welfare. Then I watched as, every cheque day, gangs came into the shelters and robbed the poor. A protection scam. While staff turned a blind eye. Those gangs all got welfare but they worked as thugs. Cut them off, I say, and prosecute them. But as it stands, they prosper because, I guess, it grows the poverty industry.
commented 2015-08-04 16:53:49 -0400
Joan said: “Like I said, I favour guaranteed income law that can make the need for shelters obsolete.” Commendable. However, how do we screen out the lazy layabouts who just want to get everything handed to them gratis, from the truly needy? I remember being in a Timmies line up about a year ago overhearing the conversation of some younger guys ahead of me. A couple of them were expressing their surprise at seeing their compatriot out at that hour of the morning with them. The response? “I got found out by Welfare and got cut off forcing me to get a job!”
commented 2015-08-04 16:17:22 -0400
Al Rose – You are right. You made no reference to a homeless shelter. You bemoaned about being a victim because there were no government-funded men’s shelters to go to. It was I who recommended you seek safety at a homeless shelter if you were in danger. Homeless shelters have security.

You related being victimized by two women with knives, at least one of whom repeatedly stabbed and/or tried to stab you. That qualifies as “repeatedly” in all lexicons.

You said you “tried to help” a woman get off the booze, a woman you’d met at an AA meeting. That is called “13th stepping” and is very bad AA form. You knew you should have encouraged her to get a female sponsor, not to try to physically stop her from drinking, yet you ignored her best interests to try to satisfy your own. What happened when you tried to physically restrain an alcoholic woman in withdrawal was highly predictable. You can’t claim victimhood for that.

You made your post as a comment on a story about Justin Trottier’s men’s movement and his campaign to get taxpayer funding for men’s shelters for abused men. My comment was that I oppose funding more shelters as they just become police-free safe places for gangsters and terrorists to trade drugs, arms and prostitutes. Clients don’t need to show ID so they can travel right across Canada incognito, evading CSIS intelligence. I oppose that.

Like I said, I favour guaranteed income law that can make the need for shelters obsolete. We don’t need more shelters. That was my opinion then and it remains my opinion. No offence.
commented 2015-08-04 15:52:43 -0400
Terry – Exactly. For dudes who swear they will ignore, these few sure do go to great lengths to repeatedly break their oaths.
commented 2015-08-04 15:51:17 -0400
Marty Ashford, the threat was made on a previous thread. Do try to keep up. When Chad started again with the same sort of unprovoked insults that previously escalated to claims I care deeply about him and then a threat to kill me, I just put him on notice not to go that route again, which is only fair. Just because I post a view in reply to someone else’s does not mean I have any feeling, positive or negative, about that person him/herself. My comments are strictly about ideas.
commented 2015-08-04 15:18:30 -0400
Yumpin Yiminy, Marty: it takes you five paragraphs to explain that you’re NOT not going to engage? Damn, dude: I shudder to think how many pixels you’d burn if you actually decided to SAY something! :)
commented 2015-08-04 13:33:27 -0400
JOAN ABERNETHY There you go again, saying untruths, i spoke the truth so what i said then will be the same now.
I can’t find Lauren’s post or i would quote you and me from there, but i will keep looking
At that time i said i was stabbed by TWO that is TWO women and i did not say repeatedly ,that is you again twisting what i said.
I was in a married relationship with the one woman and we were having an argument, as i stated during the argument i went to the fridge to open it and said to her " oh yes i have heard that one before" next i knew i had a knife coming at me, i had her almost talked down and at the last minute the knife went into my wrist .And no Joan i did not hit her or kick her.
The other one i won’t go into although back then i did relate that to Judy, it was to do with an alcoholic girl i was trying to help get off booze
I wish i could find your exact words but i will try, but you made reference to me kicking women, and also told me to stop provoking them and leave, so you turned the fault onto me and not them

And this part, Joan you need to get help, there was absolutely nothing said about this and what you are inferring is pure fiction, you really do need help, this part i never saw before and again you are inferring absolute untruths
Joan’s quote" I said homeless shelters have as good security as the men’s shelters you told your story to try to drum up funding for.

All i did on that post was relate a story in the context of Lauren’s post, i just gave my experience of what i went through with no motivation about homeless shelters i do not know where that even came from,
You go on about totally unrelated things, my story at that time was purely in relation to Lauren’s post, i did a silly thing and related a personal experience which i will never do here again because people like you just twist and mangle things until what is said is in no way related to the truth that was stated

Where the hell homeless shelters even came into it i will never know, perhaps Joan you can show me and everyone else where i made any reference to homeless shelter,
commented 2015-08-04 13:21:50 -0400
Terry Rudden: Thank you for your answer.
commented 2015-08-04 12:18:44 -0400
Just read through the post on this page and everyone will see what I mean when I wrote that I do not want to engage with the loonies like Jimmy, Terry and Joan because it is a waste of time, space and energy.
The whole page is filled with idiotic statements and delusional views about people threating to kill etc. Hardly anything to do with the topic by Brian Lilley.
I would also like to add that I also read all the posts and have never read a single post where anyone threatened to kill a certain Joan, leave alone Chad who got blamed for this untruth.
Just adds more proof to what I say about engaging these loonies.
I will also admit that there have been times when all three of them have made sense and been somewhat informative in their posts, however these post are so far apart and so few that one is hard pressed to find them.
Anyway, here I am again wasting time and space by addressing this idiotic topic.
commented 2015-08-04 07:11:50 -0400
Charles: I didn’t think Joan’s query was an attack on me, and I can’t for the life of me figure out how it’s an attack on “men”.
commented 2015-08-03 23:31:40 -0400
Charles says, “Joan, Now don’t think I am picking on you”. Then don’t. Don’t pick on me. Discuss the topic. Leave me alone. You have no need to attack me as if I am the topic. i am not.

What on earth does my telling Terry our riding’s Liberal candidate was not confirmed until a week or so ago have to do with your false claim I attack every man on this site?

Charles, maybe you are too new to to know any of the history. Should I forgive you, therefore, your ignorance? No, because your assumptions are glaringly misogynist.

You say, “until you started with all the abuse towards men and any true conservative. Everyone was getting along with you and even supporting your comments”. No, Charles, they weren’t.

From the very beginning of, I have disagreed with some people on some topics and agreed with the same people on other topics. That is not “abuse”. It is a difference of opinion.

From the very beginning, too, a few real vicious misogynists singled me out for attack and tried to so humiliate me as to drive me away and/or silence my free speech. They failed.

Shall I give you an example? One of them posted a graphic description of another one forcibly sexually assaulting me in front of a cheering crowd. I wasn’t cowed by that or by Chad’s menace and death threat and I won’t be cowed by you.

Discuss the topics and don’t misinterpret free speech as anti-male or anti-Conservative abuse. You are simply not important enough for me to feel any lust to abuse you. Such a snore, that. Yaawn.
commented 2015-08-03 22:48:18 -0400
Joan, Now don’t think I am picking on you…. I was just reading the other post about the Rebel covering the election…

I see your true colours have come out…
You even said;
Joan Abernethy commented 5 hours ago
Terry – Nice dodge. Our Liberal candidate was just confirmed a week or so ago but I’m not sure who our Green Party candidate is or who our Libertarian or Marijuana Party candidates are. I think my riding also gets a Christian Family Party candidate but again, I don’t know who that is.

Is that what you mean or has your riding not confirmed its left-wing party candidates yet?

When you say OUR LIBERAL CANDIDATE.. Do you mean that????
If so I now understand why you attack every man on this site…
Joan, until you started with all the abuse towards men and any true conservative. Everyone was getting along with you and even supporting your comments..

I you are still attacking me. What is it I said to piss you off so much. Other then saying Go F@!#yourselves.
If that is what upset you so badly. Then I apologize to you for saying that…
But the attacks I have seen you do on this site, are quite extreme!
commented 2015-08-03 21:53:42 -0400
Terry I have a theory that the left and the right need each other or we’d all turn on ourselves and devour ourselves in record time. I to have spoken out about some of the extremist comments I see especially if people get into threatening statements. I am embarrassed by it and I do try to limit my criticism of non threatening commentary because I don’t want to infringe to deeply on to other people’s freedoms still I wish they knew it tends to give everyone a bad name. I do enjoy witty sparring and am not too over sensitive to appreciate humorous sarcasm even if aimed at me.
commented 2015-08-03 21:16:34 -0400
Al Rose – you related a story of women – plural – all repeatedly attacking you with knives. I asked why don’t you stop hanging around environments in which women arm themselves. Why sleep with a woman you know has a knife under her pillow? Those are fair questions, not some personal attack. I was concerned for your safety. I said, get out, go to a homeless shelter. I said homeless shelters have as good security as the men’s shelters you told your story to try to drum up funding for.

You told your story in the context of the men’s movement that wants funding for men’s shelters. You said your life was at risk because there was no place safe you could shelter. I called you on it. I said go to a homeless shelter. That was what you got so mad about. That I offered a solution that did not involve taxpayers funding your political agenda.

I oppose building more shelters. The current ones are controlled by gangs. I want guaranteed income law so anyone abused by his or her spouse can purchase safe private shelter without relying on organized crime funded by government to warehouse the victim industry.

I do not attack persons but I do criticize arguments including the ones made to support the myth that women rape and assault men equally to men raping and assaulting women. I criticize the data Justin Trottier relied on to promote his version of that myth. The survey he relied on was biased, the question asked was not clear. Justin is a smart guy. He knew he was misusing the data for a political agenda. I want him to be honest in his work. Do better research.

I don’t doubt that some men suffer abuse from some women. That is why I have referred men, including the local jail’s men’s lifeskills group, to Trottier’s movement. And yes, I would also advise any woman complaining she is at risk of injury from yet another knife-wielding man to get the hell out and go to a homeless shelter. Not to a women’s shelter because women’s shelters are controlled by pimps who use them to shelter their trafficked girls at taxpayer expense.

Why court male prostitution in taxpayer funded men’s shelters?. No. I say no.
commented 2015-08-03 21:10:25 -0400
Was that a question or a statement, Terry your starting to sound like your paid by the others,,,, Terry, your more obvious that the Bias on your CBC button, CBC is supposed to provide Canadians with Programming …..not Programming Canadians….. WHAT A JOKE TERRY…..yeah you, edward R murrow would roll over in his grave
commented 2015-08-03 20:50:42 -0400
If this is a sign of things to come in the election campaigns, I’m building a bunker to survive this insanity.
commented 2015-08-03 20:37:09 -0400
Rick: I don’t think I’m impartial on most issues. But I try to be honest, accurate and factual to the extent I can, and I try not to get too angry to be civil. I don’t always manage.
commented 2015-08-03 20:24:09 -0400
Terry Rudden said: “Edward: The left has just as many crazies, and just as bad. I try not to be one of them, and when I ran a blog, I’d call them on it. I do the same here.” Commendable to say that. However, can you be as impartial on ALL issues? Just Askin’