March 21, 2018

Has BC’s radical gender fluid theory already crept into Alberta schools? (Guest: Donna Trimble)

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

 

On my show a few weeks ago, we had a revealing discussion about the BC sex-ed curriculum called SOGI 123.

That evening, my guest was Christian broadcaster Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson who detailed the anti-parent zealotry and anti-Christian bigotry that came along with the introduction of the gender theory ideology into the curriculum for kids as young as eight.

That show will scare and enrage you. Parents’ groups in British Columbia said SOGI 123 was rolled out without their consent or proper consultation.

I wanted to know if this extreme program is going to come to Alberta so I reached out to the experts for answers and found out that SOGI 123 may already be in your child’s school with three pilot districts in Alberta teaching the program right now.

Joining me tonight to discuss the slow creep of radical gender theory from the BC education system into Alberta is Donna Trimble, the executive director of Parents for Choice in Education.

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commented 2018-03-30 15:33:20 -0400
Most people take up smoking after the major development of puberty, I was alluding more to the physical irritation. I’m not sure it’s a huge conntributor, but it’s possible. Regardless, vocal patterns are largely habitual and driven by cultural influence. Generations learned their speech habits from emulating “radio voice”, which was always very deep relative to natural vocal tones, and it’s not something you hear anymore.

I don’t think it violates “parental choice”, for the simple reason that you send them to school to be taught skills and knowledge that will help them function in the real world. Whether or not you agree with the biological basis of it, gender-fluid individuals exist, and learning to work with them is needed to function in the real world. Does parental choice extend to making potentially harmful choices for children, especially when the matter of debate is a simple acknowledgement of observable fact? The same argument’s been made about sex ed in general – and it’s not the parents who deal with the consequences when Little Angela gets knocked up at 17 because nobody taught her about birth control, nor is it when Little Johnny goes out in the real world and can’t quite handle his openly trans work supervisor, or, as Jordan Peterson suggests, loses his job because he runs away everytime anybody mentions “equity” in HR policy.
commented 2018-03-28 23:36:11 -0400
You think men’s voices are higher because fewer of them smoke today? I’m not a bio chemist, but I know that smoking destroys the endocrine system and lowers testosterone levels, but yet testosterone levels in males are lower today. Even 20 years ago, hell even 10, men did not talk like affected teenage girls. There are reasons for it and what ever they are, this is not a normal progression, or an unrecognised part of the population finally coming out of the closet.

I know we will never agree on this but at the very least parents must have their rights respected. These parental rights are not given or taken away by any government. People have to realise this. Our children are not wards of the state, we cannot allow the state to act as though they have that power. This must be countered.
Screw bill 89 or any other law that would dictate such extreme measures.
Not to mention that early sexualization of children, as a result of SOGI robs them of their childhood puts them at risk in my opinion (the opposite of what we are told) of being preyed on by pedophiles.

Louise, we know most don’t buy into to the gender theory or SOGI being taught in public schools, primary at least. I hope more speak out and stand up for their children and their rights.
Keep your kids out the month of Sept., it messes with their funding. Do it en masse. They will notice.
commented 2018-03-28 21:40:07 -0400
“louise leborgne commented 5 hours ago
To choose whether to believe Professor, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson who teaches, does research, maintains an active business all in the area of human psychology or the very wordy Andrew is a no brainer, you lose Andrew.”
Appeal to authority. Logical fallacy – doing research doesn’t make a vanity book automatically accurate. I also do research and teach, by the way. I’m a biochemist who probably knows more about basic biology than Peterson does – psychology is not the most empirical science out there, which is one reason why it’s so well known for its often zany theories.

" I agree with you Liza Rosie and Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt and am impressed by your ability to stay on top. Sogi needs to be abolished. The low percentage of children who will deal with these issues does not make it okay to corrupt the innocence of all the other children in school"
Encountering a “gender fluid” individual does not corrupt anyone’s innocence any more than encountering someone with conventional gender identity. “[I] have met very few of those diversities Sogi and Alberta’s equivalent are an insult to those people who actually suffer from things such as hirsutism, hermaphroditism, transgenderism, etc . . . The percentages speak for themselves. " You’re basing this “insult” hypothesis on your extensive experience with the demographics in question, then? Acceptance starts with acknowledgement.
commented 2018-03-28 21:31:47 -0400
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2 days ago
Your cursory research is laughable.

How do you maintain good posture while your head is rammed up your butt?!! "

I honestly tried reading 12 rules, but I couldn’t get into it. I suppose if you believe his message it may be more appealing, but I just don’t see it. he’s very evidently preaching to the converted.

Liza Rosie:
“I resent the fact that LIES about biology are being taught as truth. If we can’t agree on the objective absolute truths of biology then we can’t agree on much. At least you acknowledged hormone -disruputer’s in our water and food sources as a partial possible factor. Atrazine being the most obvious. That should be a great big “wait a minute!”. Alarms should be going off and it should be brought up in a very serious way. "

It’s unclear that they’re “lies”, let alone capitalized ones. There is no such thing as biological absolutes – it’s a messy process at best, and we still have no idea how human biology actually works – 15 years after the genome was sequenced, most of it’s still a mystery.

Atrazine’s a possible culprit – but so is the stuff they use to make plastic in drinking bottles flexible (pthalates) – and excreted female hormones from birth control. Endocrine balances are changing, but that could be due to any number of reasons, and it’s nearly impossible to figure out why- you can’t do experiments with humans, and nonhuman animal tests can only tell you so much.

“I have been wondering for years why the male voice has been raised by a few octaves and changed in so many young boys and men. Listen to any ‘gender fluid’ born male. They have a distinctive sound. Atrazine messes with the larynx and I am suspecting that may be why they all sound so weird and similar. Even beta males who identify normally sound weird these days. "

You’re suggesting, then, that there is actually a biological basis to it? Vocal tendencies aren’t the best indicator, since it’s so habitual – however, part of it may be because of how few people smoke now, that’s something that definitely affects vocal tone as well, especially if you do it a long time.

“Testosterone levels in males are much lower than preceding generations of males. That has to be a factor. If something is happening to testosterone levels, something must be happening to estrogen levels in women as well. Hormone disrupters seem to me to be a very great possible contributor.
….and what of the Jaffe memo. Is society being deliberately fed these hormone disrupters as a social experiment, for the creation of a new industry, mass extinction, societal chaos?”

Probably a degree of “better living through chemistry”, likely mainly driven by sedentary lifestyle and obesity.
No, not deliberately added. It’s like leaded gas – use of cheap, convenient materials that just happened to have unforeseen side effects.

I’m still unconvinced that it’s not primarily due to social tolerance that lets people explore pre-existing tendencies, instead of suppressing them.
commented 2018-03-28 16:41:18 -0400
To choose whether to believe Professor, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson who teaches, does research, maintains an active business all in the area of human psychology or the very wordy Andrew is a no brainer, you lose Andrew. I agree with you Liza Rosie and Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt and am impressed by your ability to stay on top. Sogi needs to be abolished. The low percentage of children who will deal with these issues does not make it okay to corrupt the innocence of all the other children in school. The need to do so is creepy and unacceptable to any clear thinking parent. Frankly, I was graduated before I read about all the diverse forms of sexuality and have subsequently (for 45 years) have met very few of those diversities. Sogi and Alberta’s equivalent are an insult to those people who actually suffer from things such as hirsutism, hermaphroditism, transgenderism, etc . . . The percentages speak for themselves.
commented 2018-03-27 22:14:08 -0400
Peterson is such a good governor. If you can’t wrap your head around what he says …well lets just say it can save a lot of time.
I wouldn’t have bothered responding after your comment about him Andrew, but wanted to address your acknowledgement of the role of hormone disrupters.

Anyone have any comments on the Jaffe memo? Poisoning a population for social engineering purposes is kinda serious business and should put a whole lot of gender studies ‘professionals’ out of a job. It certainly shines a new light on this whole lgbtq charade and the governments that are pushing it. It should be very disturbing to everyone. Hopefully enough to do something about it before any more damage is done.
commented 2018-03-27 22:05:52 -0400
If falsehoods about biology weren’t being forced on our children, SOGI would not be in public schools or driven by unions. It is as damaging as atrazine in the water. It is messing with kids heads and confusing them about their sexuality.

I resent the fact that LIES about biology are being taught as truth. If we can’t agree on the objective absolute truths of biology then we can’t agree on much. At least you acknowledged hormone -disruputer’s in our water and food sources as a partial possible factor. Atrazine being the most obvious. That should be a great big “wait a minute!”. Alarms should be going off and it should be brought up in a very serious way.

I have been wondering for years why the male voice has been raised by a few octaves and changed in so many young boys and men. Listen to any ‘gender fluid’ born male. They have a distinctive sound. Atrazine messes with the larynx and I am suspecting that may be why they all sound so weird and similar. Even beta males who identify normally sound weird these days.

Testosterone levels in males are much lower than preceding generations of males. That has to be a factor. If something is happening to testosterone levels, something must be happening to estrogen levels in women as well. Hormone disrupters seem to me to be a very great possible contributor.
….and what of the Jaffe memo. Is society being deliberately fed these hormone disrupters as a social experiment, for the creation of a new industry, mass extinction, societal chaos?
If this is a choreographed social experiment( and one way or the other I believe it is) then it needs to be stopped, right now. There is no more entertaining this experiment on our children. Not for one minute more.
commented 2018-03-26 19:08:56 -0400
Your cursory research is laughable.

How do you maintain good posture while your head is rammed up your butt?!!
commented 2018-03-26 15:03:43 -0400
You mean how I don’t fall for his slick talk? He’s very articulate, but his arguments themselves are pretty superficial and rely too much on “common sense” and emotional manipulation, favouring that even when empirical evidences says otherwise.

I’ve researched him, somewhat, before dismissing him as a noisy malcontent who makes money from being a noisy malcontent. He might have originally had a point, but now his entire persona is in essence attacking those who his fans dislike under the auspices of protesting “compelled speech” – even though his protests are extremely limited and he doesn’t seem to protest much beyond pronouns. You’ll of course notice how his videos are all about how he’s slaying some SJW other, carefully edited to make him the right wing antihero. That’s one reason I don’t bother, since they’re distorted to complete meaninglessness.

You have a bunch of people who don’t like social change and Peterson is telling them it’s OK. Traditional gender roles don’t include nonbinary options, therefore it’s just fine to ostracize and marginalize those that are. That his argument are objectively poorly supported is irrelevant when it’s what you want to hear.

I do agree with him about the importance of good posture, though.
commented 2018-03-26 12:13:38 -0400
Andrew, you lack discernment and the ability to research Peterson yourself….left wing goggles impair your vision.
commented 2018-03-26 11:19:32 -0400
“Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 1 day ago
Andrew, your argument lacks merit & understanding of Peterson’s work.”
Peterson’s work isn’t particularly complex. He’s basically Jerry Springer – whatever noble intent he started with, went out the window when he realized he makes more money by being outrageous.

“liza rosie commented 18 hours ago
Andrew, do you think atrazine could be a contributor to gender confusion?
”https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html">https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html"
I’m not sure. The influence of endocrine disruptors is a serious consideration, and atrazine isn’t the only possible culprit (and it leaves us to wonder about the consequences we can’t see yet – which inevitably comes back to the long term effects on cancer rates, cancer of course being epidemiologically more troubling than weakened sex differentiation. I suspect we’ll be paying the price for our mid-20th century environmental hubris for many decades yet.

That being said, I’m not convinced that that’s the cause vs. merely being kids taking advantage of social permissiveness – feminization of males isn’t likely the primary culprit when girls have seen a parallel increase. Again, the parallels to public acceptance of homosexuallity are apt – a whole bunch of closeted people came out at the same time, then it leveled off once they were out.. Now, your coworker can drop an offhand comment about this great restaurant he went to with his boyfriend over the weekend, and nobody notices or cares- it’s just how it is. There was also a parallel moral panic about turning kids gay, “indoctrination” and other pushback from the traditionalists, who felt straight people had the right to pretend gays didn’t exist. A decade from now, gender-fluid individuals will level off as well, perhaps at a few percent, enough to be unavoidable but with greater society left intact – and nobody will bat an eye when they meet one.

“The left’s inability to respect others rights and opinions because they think they know best, won’t be tolerated by people who value liberty. The government has no business dictating to children and parents how to define or not define their sexuality, how to speak or what to think.”

Nobody’s telling parents and children how to define their sexuality – the entire point of acknowledging nonbinary identities is to let people define their own rather than forcing them to define it into arbitrary categories.

Once again, acknowledgement of a phenomenon does not force you to participate in it – you don’t have the right to hide from reality, which is that fluid individuals exist whether you like it or not. They exist, period, full stop. That latter statement is hardly “radical” or “indoctrination”.
commented 2018-03-25 20:24:05 -0400
Here’s the thing. Is anyone out there aware that this nonsense has been planned since 1969 in Jaffe’s memo?? This nonsense has also been written throughout lgbt documentation (agendas) since 72’. And that’s what we know of. If anyone can get me in touch with Miss Gunn or Mr. Ezra, I can surely put them up to speed on this issue. That’s why they keep reporting on these nonsense lgbt issues over and over and over again.
commented 2018-03-25 17:03:06 -0400
…help to eliminate the need for the gender prep part of SOGI at least.
Think of it, maybe we could eliminate gender studies in Universities altogether.
After all, the kids of today are the leaders of tomorrow, and the next batch is looking pretty dismal.

Kids health should be the priority and it looks like that aspect of care is being ignored for political agenda.
commented 2018-03-25 16:56:29 -0400
Maybe proper water filters (apparently they can work for atrazine) and banning weed control for all schools and public buildings could save some of the suffering these gender confused kids are going through, and eliminate the need for SOGI in the first place. It makes you wonder how much of the gender ‘fluidity’ issue is caused by poisoning. If your kids were being poisoned wouldn’t you want to stop it?
commented 2018-03-25 12:35:19 -0400
Andrew, its difficult to understand simple arguments when your brain can’t function due to verbiage overflow. To put it in simple language, you get stuck down your own rabbit holes.

The left’s inability to respect others rights and opinions because they think they know best, won’t be tolerated by people who value liberty. The government has no business dictating to children and parents how to define or not define their sexuality, how to speak or what to think. The government needs to stay the hell out of my kids sexual development. Public Schools should not be places to push political agenda.
Respect my damn right to object and opt out dammit.
Can you understand that much?
In a nut shell, back off.

Don’t pretend you watched that Peterson vid. We all know you are unable to follow anyone else’s train of thought but your own.
commented 2018-03-24 22:48:35 -0400
Andrew, your argument lacks merit & understanding of Peterson’s work.

Your knee jerk support of this ideology confirms you consider yourself somewhere on the irrational spectrum of this ideology.
commented 2018-03-24 22:17:25 -0400
If you support that opinion, you’re not actually against “indoctrination”, since Peterson advocates for exactly that. You’re merely indoctrinating them in a way that is more pleasing to your personal ethos/biases.

I also find it very interesting how Peterson fans seem to have completely lost the ability to articulate their own arguments, if they ever had that ability.
commented 2018-03-24 11:55:59 -0400
Good luck Andrew. You are going to need it.
commented 2018-03-24 11:39:34 -0400
“liza rosie commented 14 hours ago
In forcing what you want onto me with no regard for what I want, is robbing me of my rights.
I want you to have what you want as much as can be possible without it being at my expense. Get it?
Parents who don’t want it should not have to put up with it.
Means, keep it out of public schools. "

The “right” to be sheltered from ideas you feel uncomfortable, particularly when those ideas are core to someone else’s entire personal identity.

Isn’t Jordan Peterson’s entire MO to rally agaist that very censorship in educational institutions? Or does that only apply to ideas you agree with?

|"liza rosie commented 18 hours ago
You are telling me we are hijacking science inaccurately? How long has the system been screwing with your head, and when did this start? Honest question. AND/OR your comprehension sucks. "

The problem is, that you’re simply alluding to ‘science’ as a justification of exclusion, when even you acknowledge the existence of variations. What you’re taught in school is vastly oversimplified – ultimately, yes, the presence of a functional SRY gene (NOT the Y chromosome itself – XY females with mutations in the SRY gene are well known) is the keystone that induces masculinization vs the default female state, but what happens next is enormously complicated and, as is the case with most mammalian genetics, not fully understood. The psychological basis of gender identity is essentially a complete black box – it’s evident that discrepancies arise from direct observation, but nobody knows why. “Science” is therefore not really a justification of anything.

“Now address my repeated assertion that assistance could be provided without it being in schools or confusing the hell out of unsuspecting children. This ‘movement’ is political ideology which flies in the face of reality and science. It is not healthy to confuse kids about their sexuality. Forcing gender fluidity on kids that haven’t even thought of it is damaging. We need to take care of this small minority, however, not at the expense of all. "
Reality and science, again, indicate that gender fluidity very much exists.
It’s unclear how including the “minority” deprives the majority. As per my first comment, you’re not entitled to trivialize a minority because their existence makes you uncomfortable.

“Lets use autism as an example. Should a supportive curriculum be devised within the public school envelope? Maybe. Should all schools expect all students to conform to the way a child with autism learns? No. Should it take the place of specialized support under the care of medical professionals? No! Courses in gender studies alone does not constitute a professional. I have spoken to some involved who consider themselves qualified hired by school boards to train and teach and they are not. "
This is a bit of a red herring. Alternative sexual identity is not something that affects one’s understanding of the curriculum nor interfere with participation in normal classroom activities. In this case “support” may simply need to be a few hours a year subsumed under broader personal health education such that both sides understand each other – which is what is proposed here.

Autism is a spectrum, not a discrete disorder, and partitioning off afflicted individuals is probably a bad idea. The very last thing you want to do with a bunch of people with poor social skills, and for whom social cues require deliberate effort, is partition them off where they can’t learn how to interact with real people. A brief health class introduction to their MO, so other people understand what they’re doing, would go a long way.

“I do not hate anyone, or want anyone to suffer, but the majority of children are not gender fluid/ gender dysphoric, and exposing kids to it as an ‘option’ is confusing and damaging. It is not the norm, and should never be encouraged as such.”

STudies seem to indicate that in an unpressured environment, gender expresssion variances are surprisingly common, a couple percent or so. Which is to say, in an average elementary school cohort of say 150, you would generally expect there to be a few for whom it IS an option. Allowing them to do so, again in no way diminishes everyone else who may express themselves more conventionally. The possibility of “confusion” and “indoctrination” has the makings of a standard moral-panic argument. Most people know what they are. It’s like homosexuality – talking about its existence doesn’t turn people gay, it merely lets people that already are, comfortably exhibit it. Acknowledging it in no way infringes upon straight people, either, beyond those who may be uncomfortable with the idea.
commented 2018-03-23 20:54:59 -0400
In forcing what you want onto me with no regard for what I want, is robbing me of my rights.
I want you to have what you want as much as can be possible without it being at my expense. Get it?
Parents who don’t want it should not have to put up with it.
Means, keep it out of public schools.
Have services administered through our medical professionals not political teachers Unions and on a need to provide basis. Anything else is forced social/political ideology.
Its called totalitarian rule.
By the way this is not a religious issue for many parents who object to SOGI.
commented 2018-03-23 17:13:29 -0400
You are telling me we are hijacking science inaccurately? How long has the system been screwing with your head, and when did this start? Honest question. AND/OR your comprehension sucks.

I certainly am not saying a person who exhibits somewhere between left or right of male or female should meet with ‘discrimination’ as you suggest. However, it is not and never will be the norm and laws and entire curricula rewrites to satisfy a few people is not acceptable in my opinion. It makes no sense on any level.

Now address my repeated assertion that assistance could be provided without it being in schools or confusing the hell out of unsuspecting children. This ‘movement’ is political ideology which flies in the face of reality and science. It is not healthy to confuse kids about their sexuality. Forcing gender fluidity on kids that haven’t even thought of it is damaging. We need to take care of this small minority, however, not at the expense of all.

Lets use autism as an example. Should a supportive curriculum be devised within the public school envelope? Maybe. Should all schools expect all students to conform to the way a child with autism learns? No. Should it take the place of specialized support under the care of medical professionals? No! Courses in gender studies alone does not constitute a professional. I have spoken to some involved who consider themselves qualified hired by school boards to train and teach and they are not.

I do not hate anyone, or want anyone to suffer, but the majority of children are not gender fluid/ gender dysphoric, and exposing kids to it as an ‘option’ is confusing and damaging. It is not the norm, and should never be encouraged as such.
commented 2018-03-23 14:06:54 -0400
So, in your opinion, gender-as-purely-binary beliefs would also be considered “indoctrination”, given that most empirical evidence refutes it, and you would need to be pretty uncritical to accept it unequivocally?
commented 2018-03-23 13:56:50 -0400
SOGI 123 and other programs certainly do work in such a way to indoctrinate children – gender fluid ideology is a prime example.
Indoctrination: the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
Synonym: propagandism
commented 2018-03-23 11:10:34 -0400
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-03-22 16:27:43 -0400
Andrew, spoken like a childless woman who doesn’t mind indoctrination from an early age and expects everyone else’s children to subscribe to an ideology which disregards science. Oh, did I mention it’s sneaky of the government of Alberta to do this without parental knowledge and consent,"

Remember when you accused Bob Rock of “cultural marxism” for using loaded terminology such as “living wage”? You’ve also criticized me of the same at various times. Your use of “indoctrination” is in the same category. Don’t be a hypocrite, Tammie. Discussing the existence of a phenomenon is not the same as indoctrinating people, and accepting people’s choices is a reasonable expectation.

Your allusion to “science” is of course an appeal to authority fallacy. “Science” says that most, but not all, individuals will exhibit ordinary dimorphism, but that in no way justifies stigmatization of those that don’t.

“Drew Wakariuk commented 2018-03-22 17:47:20 -0400
Andrew Gender fluidity is not real. And how about you lefties quit whining when they teach them about the real world where you do not get a trophy for participating and results are expected and you have earn a living and that the state does not know best. If Gender fluidity is real then so is racial fluidity. "

Gender fluidity does very much seem to be real. You may disagree with the biological basis, but the cultural presentation of it exists. The concept of gender roles is cultural – while the older, conservative generations are pretty strict about the dichotomous definition, the Zers don’t seem to buy into it nearly as much. And that’s OK. Even if you don’t think it’s “real”. there are people that do exhibit it, and its’ their right to do so without discrimination. Being upset about gender fluid individuals because it’s not a biologically valid option (in your mind, anyway) is like being upset about someone having blue hair. It’s also a deviation from the natural options, but who cares?

Race is a physical trait, not a core part of one’s identity. That would be culture, and there is no question that there is “cultural fluidity”.

“liza rosie commented 2018-03-22 23:34:51 -0400
It really is ‘tampering’. Gender dysphoria is real. Most who say they have it, don’t or will out grow it. Those truly afflicted are such a small portion of the population, that making it a part of curriculum or writing special laws to accommodate it, is not only uncalled for, but puts out the rest of the population”
Being a small group is not grounds for exclusion, particularly one of the most discrimiinated against groups.
“Most parents don’t want SOGI in all its ‘gory’ taught in schools. The fact that their children are being taught there are more than two genders as if it is biological fact, is abhorrent, offensive and outrageous” Gender, the cultural manifestation, not being strictly binary IS fact. The biological definition is “sex” and even that’s got some ambiguity.

People hijacking science inaccurately for their own agenda is “abhorrent, offensive and outrageous”. You’re entitled to religious opinions, but don’t cherry pick your facts.

I strongly doubt “most parents” (vs a very vocal subset who sound more numerous than they are) are opposed, though I’d be open to seeing some objective evidence otherwise.
commented 2018-03-23 00:14:54 -0400
Liza, I couldn’t agree more!
commented 2018-03-22 23:34:51 -0400
It really is ‘tampering’. Gender dysphoria is real. Most who say they have it, don’t or will out grow it. Those truly afflicted are such a small portion of the population, that making it a part of curriculum or writing special laws to accommodate it, is not only uncalled for, but puts out the rest of the population. Most parents don’t want SOGI in all its ‘gory’ taught in schools. The fact that their children are being taught there are more than two genders as if it is biological fact, is abhorrent, offensive and outrageous. They resent that it is being forced on all, when the target demographic is minuscule. Make assistance available to those who request it through the health act, not as a part of school curriculum. The fact that point is never entertained leaves me questioning those pushing the agenda. This should not be a political issue and those behind it have made it nothing but.

If you are frustrated, have kids in the system or are just concerned about the negative effects this indoctrination is bound to have on society as a whole, please consider donating or helping in some way.

Donna Trimble: Parent Choice , ALBERTA info
http://www.parentchoice.ca/
Donate Alberta
http://www.parentchoice.ca/funding_pce

Kari Simpson: Culture Guard, BRITISH COLUMBIA info
http://www.cultureguard.com/
raising money for legal action against the BC Ministry of Education and local school boards to fight the SOGI agenda.
To donate:
https://gogetfunding.com/stop-sogi-stop-child-abuse-legal-action-commencing-your-help-is-needed-to-stop-the-insanity/