July 03, 2015

Healthy 24-year-old Belgian woman granted right to die over “suicidal thoughts”

Rebel Staff

Doctors in Belgium have granted a medically depressed woman the right to die because she is suffering from “suicidal thoughts”.

The 24-year-old woman, named only as ‘Laura’, has been given the go-ahead by doctors to be euthanized by lethal injection, despite not having a terminal illness.

According to the Belgian newspaper De Morgen, Laura, who entered a psychiatric facility at 21, told doctors she had suffered from depression since childhood and wished to end her life.

Speaking exclusively to De Morgen’s Simone Maas, she said: “life, that’s not for me.”

“Death feels to me not as a choice. If I had a choice, I would choose a bearable life, but I have done everything and that was unsuccessful.”

In an attempt to explain the foundation of her depression, Laura told De Morgen that she had had a troubled childhood.

She confessed that her parents had her when they were too young and that her father drank too much.

Although Laura later moved in with her grandparents, giving her an element of security, she admitted that this did not diminish her self-destructive thoughts.

“Even though my childhood certainly contributed to my suffering,” she told De Morgen, “I am convinced that I had had this death wish even though I grew up with a quiet, stable family.”

Recounting how as a six-year-old she once held a gun, which, unbeknownst to her, was loaded, she said: “If I had known this at that time, I might have pulled the trigger. I can easily imagine.”

According to reports, the date for Laura’s death is yet to be determined.

Belgium, the low-lying European nation famous for its chocolate, has the world’s most liberal law on doctor-assisted suicide where patients with mental health disorders - and now, according to the BBC, even children - can request euthanasia.

On February 13 last year, becoming the first country to remove any age limit on assisted suicide, parliament in Belgium passed a bill allowing euthanasia for terminally ill children by 86 votes to 44, with 12 abstentions.

Euthanasia was first decriminalized by the Belgian authorities in 2002.

According to The New Yorker’s Rachel Aviv, Belgium was the second country in the world, after the Netherlands, to permit the practice. It was followed by Luxembourg in 2009 and, this year, by Canada and Colombia. Swiss law has allowed assisted suicide since 1942.

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commented 2015-07-13 14:43:25 -0400
A few months ago, a women in her 40s went to one of these clinics and had herself put down, the reason? she suffered from tinnitus.
commented 2015-07-07 16:21:43 -0400
This is the slippery slope, with regards to euthanasia! There is no way that a 24-year old woman, should be allowed to die. Depression is treatable, but you can’t force anyone to take treatment. But to write off someone so young is just plain wrong, and evil. Life is worth so much more than being able to choose to take yourself out or not. Death is the easy way out, it is living that is hard!
commented 2015-07-06 16:41:36 -0400
Jimmy said, “It sounds like you don’t take mental health and depression that seriously.”

Jimmy, I truly do not know how you came to that conclusion when I have been saying all along that I think as a society we need to help that girl as much as is possible, and then you come out with that statement? It is truly fascinating how you can come to exactly the opposite understanding from what I posted.

Kimmy, I think you might have comprehension issues. Might want to see a psychiatrist about that.
commented 2015-07-06 09:12:31 -0400

It sounds like you don’t take mental health and depression that seriously. Everyone can be fixed. Like Robin Williams. Oh wait.
commented 2015-07-06 08:25:51 -0400
Kim Hanson, I was speaking from a legal perspective, not an enforcement perspective. I realize that you cannot punish someone for the crime of killing him/herself since he/she is already dead, but that does not change the fact that it is illegal.

But we are way from my main point to Jimmy, which was, isn’t it better to try to help the girl get better than hand her the knife and say, “go ahead”?

And to answer Jimmy’s followup question, which was to the effect that;
“What would I suggest be done if after all has been done and she is still living in pain, emotional pain in this case, force her to live in a life of pain and agony?” (this was a paraphrase)

I don’t know what I would do, Jimmy.

My guess is that that type of situation would not be likely if all effort was given to resolve the girl’s issue.

Because we (as a society) have to believe it is possible to solve this person’e mental anguish, otherwise what is the point (as a society) in trying to help anyone we know when there is always the possibly that there is no resolution to that person’s problem. As a society we have to give it our best effort to resolve this person’s problem before we hand them the knife and say “go ahead”. But then, I am one who values life over a solution involving premature death.
commented 2015-07-06 02:43:02 -0400
Peter said: " No person, whether male or female has the right to choose how they die." As ridiculous as legally making Pi = 3. The only way you can enforce this “right” is by physiforce and with even more force than used to incarcerate murders. Unenforceable, therefore not a right.
commented 2015-07-05 13:25:15 -0400
Thank you for that New York Times article Joan, that pretty much sums it up, interesting the difference between the .02% and the.3% that is quite telling
commented 2015-07-05 13:20:57 -0400
Joan, thanks for the New York Times article that pretty much sums it up. It was interesting that .02% of people where it was not legal as a posed to .3% chose it where it is legal, interesting.
commented 2015-07-05 09:54:11 -0400
Totally absurd and ridiculous you can sure tell we have too many psychopathic eugenicists’ in charge in our highest levels’ of society! No common sense whatsoever!
commented 2015-07-05 09:53:22 -0400
Totally absurd and ridiculous you can sure tell we have too many psychopathic eugenicists’ in charge in our highest levels’ of society! Mo common sense whatsoever!
commented 2015-07-05 01:40:12 -0400

I think she would have killed herself in some horrible way anyway. So if she is going to die one way or another, better that she dies in a way that doesn’t cause her pain and with a doctor there. Or would you prefer that someone finds her with a plastic bag over her head as she suffocated?
commented 2015-07-05 01:15:59 -0400
Joan that could very well be, good point
Jimmy that’s interesting that you call it a sweet release, that means , to me anyway, that you are going to a better place, heaven perhaps? That is however a helluva question. In this case this girl seems to have had problems, she said, since she was five years old but I still maintain that if it wasn’t the law and the culture of the law do you think that it would not have been such an infatuation with the thought of suicide.
commented 2015-07-05 00:28:38 -0400
Kelvin, she’s been under psychiatric “care” for some years already. Do you think her doctors have just been milking her illness for profit?
commented 2015-07-05 00:27:08 -0400

I ask you the same question – when is it OK.

So when is it OK for a person to end their life? Let’s say that they have seen all the doctors, gotten all the psychological help, taken all the medication – done everything and they are still in pain and they are still suffering and they just want the sweet release of death. Will you let them have it or force them to live a horrible life, so that you are more comfortable with a life being “saved”.
commented 2015-07-05 00:23:25 -0400
Peter, Jimmy seem to miss a lot what is said. Jimmy suicide IS the easy way out. The hard part is deciding to do so. What you don’t get is that if the law didn’t allow it to be done a doctor would be more inclined to go over and above to help her . Now if that doesn’t work then she may still attempt it on her own. Ah but there’s the rub now she has to then decide how.
commented 2015-07-05 00:06:10 -0400

So when is it OK for a person to end their life? Let’s say that they have seen all the doctors, gotten all the psychological help, taken all the medication – done everything and they are still in pain and they are still suffering and they just want the sweet release of death. Will you let them have it or force them to live a horrible life, so that you are more comfortable with a life being “saved”.
commented 2015-07-04 23:36:25 -0400
Jimmy, you missed what I said altogether. I did not use this story to claim progressives have created a culture of death. This story is about a girl in Belgium. I will quote what I posted earlier and maybe you will read it … possibly.
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“Jimmy, you are right, the society is progressing, progressing towards a moral decline.

Progressives have no problems with killing babies before they are born.
Progressives have no problems with euthanasia.
You have no problem with this girl killing herself.

In contrast, conservatives value life, both fetal and the infirmed and hurting (physically and emotionally).
Yes, Jimmy, I can see how the “progressive” way is FAR superior to the conservative way.
A culture of death is FAR superior to a culture of life!!

And the fact that you will not be able to see the common sense and reason in what I am saying confirms exactly what I am saying about the progressives. And you are a prime example of a progressive."
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Clearly I did not use this story to support my position.

Jimmy said, “Because of Jesus?”

That would be a start, but that was not what I intended in my post. I was meaning that a person can get psychological help to get over their depression that is making them suicidal. You know, like, help the person get better rather than (figuratively speaking) hand them the suicide knife. Wouldn’t it be better to help them get better, encourage them to live instead of encouraging them to take their life?
commented 2015-07-04 23:34:45 -0400
Some people try, over and over and over again, to kill themselves. Often they have family that stops the suicides, cuts the ropes, pumps the stomachs, etc. Some depression is impossible to treat. It is a tough call.

I oppose doctor-assisted suicide because it puts doctors in a position where they can be manipulated, bribed, or bullied by politicians to murder for the so-called social good. Most people can succeed to kill themselves if they want to, without making it law to do so. The terminally ill have long been able to get help – the right drugs and counsel on how to use them – to commit suicide. Family often helps them in the end.

Perhaps we could simply decriminalize suicide instead of training doctors in the specialty of assisted suicide and paying such doctors for performing enough assisted suicides to justify their specialty and pay cheques in countries with socialized tax-paid medicare.

I oppose abortion too. Who doesn’t? But I have tremendous sympathy for mothers who simply don’t want the babies growing inside them. I feel awful for babies rejected by their mothers. For those children who grow up with mothers that hate them. For those children that end up in prison because they can’t recover from the pain of mother rejection. You know, those criminals so many of you want to kill.

I oppose capital punishment too. I don’t think we have the right to take a life. Of course, the murderers do not have that right either. But so many of them are mad, crazy from hunger and failure and the pain of rejection by mothers who were too lazy or disorganized to abort them.

I knew a woman who I repeatedly witnessed say, with her daughter in the room, “I should have had an abortion with Leah and just kept her brother.” Enormous bad that. Imagine growing up with that sort of hatred for your very being.

It’s a fallen world, folks. The best we can do is keep an open heart.
commented 2015-07-04 23:18:54 -0400

I am quite sure that she is not taking the easy way out and that this isn’t just some random decision that popped into her head like maybe getting a tattoo.
commented 2015-07-04 23:00:43 -0400
If the law did not allow this perverse slippery slope type of euthanasia then she would perhaps feel the need to take the easy way out. Instead she would then look for ways for a cure , if she went to a doctor, therapist they would try harder to find a cure or stabilize her condition. There fore Peter’s death culture argument makes sense. It’s like oh well fuck it I’m not going to try. I wish you could see that every life is worth fighting for.
commented 2015-07-04 22:44:45 -0400

Well you should have the right to die as you choose. You know, in a free country. Why would you want to keep people who are in pain and who are suffering alive? Because of Jesus?
commented 2015-07-04 22:42:14 -0400

I reject your position. Why? Because ONE news story about a girl making the rounds and the right to choose isn’t a culture of death. The numbers of abortion and assisted suicide are NOTHING compared to the numbers of life. Hence – there is no culture of death.

But yes – I am pro-choice and in then case of pain and suffering like this girl is going through – if they have run out of every option to give her release from that pain and suffering while she is still alive, then yes – I want to ease her pain in the way that she wants. How horrible of me.
commented 2015-07-04 21:05:17 -0400
But Kim, you don’t have the right to die as you choose. It is illegal to take your own life. Whether it is right or wrong that the law exists is irrelevant at this time. No person, whether male or female has the right to choose how they die.
commented 2015-07-04 20:04:56 -0400
“Doctors in Belgium have granted a medically depressed woman the right to die…” Really! So, in Belgium, I need a doctor to dispense this “right”. Sorry, I don’t grant them that much control over my life! They can go to hell and I will live or die as I choose!
commented 2015-07-04 19:28:17 -0400
Jimmy, Peter Netterville so eloquent as ever posted the same picture that I would have liked to have painted for you. I may add though is as long as the media, schools and universities keep spoon feeding people and children their propaganda, and the justice system that is so apparently left leaning that yes I have to agree with Peter . I also agree that it is a down ward spiral and it will eventually end civilization as we no it. I do also believe this is a step to a one world government, as civilization becomes dependent on the supreme leaders they will lose any freedoms they once had. Your comments about that us older folk won’t be around is insulting to me because I have to think of my granddaughter and her eventual family like generations have done before me. That’s why I fight, that’s why I put on a uniform so many years ago. I like my freedom and I want future generations to have the same freedoms I had.
commented 2015-07-04 19:16:38 -0400
" Is that what you call a woman making a choice about her body"

Yes, that is the euphemism that is used to somehow cloak the act of abortion. Do you disagree with the practice or abortion?

You agree that the girls should have the right to kill herself.

You agree with euthanasia.

All of these this are about death, not life.

Jimmy, why do you prefer a culture of death to that of life?