December 07, 2017

High School Student Suspended for Debating Islamic Extremism With Muslim Classmate... in Debate Club

Rebel Staff

A Missouri high school student was just suspended for simply trying to have a debate about Islamic extremism with a Muslim classmate who is a fellow member of the school debate team. 


A Missouri high school that suspended a student for making critical comments about Islamic extremism says he’s not allowed to appeal the finding of wrongdoing.

Senior Alex Lonsdale, a member of Liberty High’s nationally ranked debate club, says he was just trying to have a friendly debate.

During his free period Oct. 17 at the public school near Kansas City, Lonsdale joined a spontaneous conversation among acquaintances about the nature of Islam.

He told The College Fix in a phone call Monday that he pointed to pro-terrorist sentiment among British Muslims, as indicated in polls by ICM Research for the 2016 Channel 4 documentary “What British Muslims Really Think.” The program was presented by the former chair of Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips.

[...] But the impromptu debate on Islamic extremism, by Lonsdale’s retelling, turned into a raucous imbroglio.

“Why are you making my religion out to be like that?” Lonsdale said Pervaiz asked him. The Muslim student became reticent, apparently no longer wanting to continue debating, before he ended the conversation by leaving, according to Lonsdale.

[...] Three days after the short-lived debate, Alex Lonsdale was called into a meeting with the principal, vice principal and Pervaiz, where he said he was asked to explain the statements that Pervaiz alleged he made. [...] School officials told him his behavior could be considered “harassing” or “hounding” and that Lonsdale should be conscious of “social cues,” according to Lonsdale.


The fact that Lonsdale was suspended without even being given an appeal shows how terrified the school was of not adhering to its own self-imposed code of political corectness. Clearly, the school wanted both Lonsdale and this controversy to disappear as quickly as possible so it could continue being a "safe space."

Based on the report cited above, Lonsdale did not seem to be attacking his Muslim classmate with racist statements. Instead, he was expressing his point of view on a complex issue and backing his statements up with facts and figures. The evidence Lonsdale gathered meant nothing to school administrators, however, as they would rather shut down someone who is in the right than risk drawing the ire of progressives. 

Students are being taught that questioning pc-norms is wrong, and that anyone who dares to must be silenced immediately. In essence, the left is trying to raise a new generation of politically correct zombies who are ready to take anyone down who might make them look at the world from a different angle. Schools should be a place of free thought and dialogue, and a student who thinks deeply about issues like Lonsdale does should be encouraged, not suspended. 

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commented 2017-12-11 21:57:06 -0500
I was in competitive debate and it’s very competitive. The Muslim debater Faraz Pervaiz was pissed off that fellow debater Alex Lonsdale trounced him in front of others and this is schoolboy revenge. Nothing more than competitive sh*tf**kery that maybe Faraz has convinced himself is for a greater cause. I’m sure the sympathy and attention is pretty nice too.

This said, unless it’s a kid under 12 asking about Santa, we shouldn’t entertain or outright accept beliefs that are not supported by logic simply because the believer will feel bad if you don’t. A competitive debater should respect this.
commented 2017-12-11 15:45:48 -0500
The offence that the student committed has a name. In the new post-modern argot it is know as “epistemic” harm or harassment. “Epistemic” is a Greek derivative referring to knowledge. So what the term actually means is the harm or damage done to another person simply by talking about things that are troubling to that person. What this young Missouri highschooler has to understand that in our new age it is a form of racist harassment just to simply talk about subject – and shame on him for not knowing that. Where that leaves free speech is anybody’s guess.
commented 2017-12-09 06:54:56 -0500
Political correctness is fascism posing as sensitivity.
commented 2017-12-08 12:49:32 -0500
MARK SHERMAN commented 3 hours ago:

Mark, I think that this is the only defense they have.
commented 2017-12-08 10:59:26 -0500
MARK SHERMAN commented 2 hours ago
Why do Muslims play the victim card when their religious ideology is brought into question?
Because it works among self-loathing westerners.
commented 2017-12-08 10:07:39 -0500
commented 2017-12-08 09:21:16 -0500
Another case of low level educators taking on the First Amendment and enforcing their values or lack thereof of political correctness.
This case should work its way through the courts up to the Supreme Court.
commented 2017-12-08 09:19:21 -0500
Why do Muslims play the victim card when their religious ideology is brought into question?
commented 2017-12-08 08:54:39 -0500
Missouri of all places….Mark Twain was from there….I’m afraid you’re gonna hafta show me as well.
commented 2017-12-08 08:54:39 -0500
Not my comment but more than likely the truth.

THE FOUR STAGES OF ISLAMIC CONQUEST . . . What stage are we at now?
Simply put a check mark next to the line which is true.

Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.

First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
Attempt to portray Islam as peaceful & Muslims as victims of racism even though Islam is not a ‘race’.
High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations suffer from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:
“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”

Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.

Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
Intolerance of non-Muslims.
Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
Destruction of the power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh was murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of honour killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists.  The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law, a law that condemning earthly liberty and individual freedom, forbidding equality among faiths and between the sexes, rejecting the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.

Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.

Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
Mass execution of non-Muslims.
Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
Imposition of Sharia law

The website tracks the number of violent jihad attacks as best it can. Listing more than 14,000 attacks since September 2001. It is worth a visit. What is occurring, however, that is likely inestimable are events where muslims are bullied by other muslims for not being “muslim enough,” where non-Muslims are intimidated into doing or not doing what they desire, where remnant populations are in a death spiral simply for being non-muslim in a predominantly muslim area. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists Animists and Atheists meet with death, property destruction or confiscation, forced conversion, rape, excessive taxation (the jizya), enslavement, riotous mobs and various other forms of islam justice at the hands of muslims in Sudan, Philippines, Kenya, Malaysia, India, etc.  And let us not forget ‘death to Apostates’ the world over.

Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.

Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of the world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.
It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.
commented 2017-12-08 03:45:25 -0500
Since 9/11 – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM (SATAN): 34,463 Attacks, 224,047 Killed, 303,502 Injured that we know of.
commented 2017-12-08 03:31:26 -0500
Missouri!?… That’s how deep the rot has got… Missouri is also known in animal owner circles as being one of the few states where “puppy mills” are still allowed…