July 24, 2015

Is coalition talk a brilliant play by the NDP or an unforced error?

Brian LilleyArchive

Most people looking at the NDP musings on a coalition with the Liberals view it as a gaffe by the Dippers, a gift to the Conservatives.

Time will tell if it's a smart play for votes from Harper-hating Liberals.


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commented 2015-07-26 15:31:33 -0400
:) Peter… thought so!…hornet’s nest, eh?…what about the Roman Catholic secret society in Quebec, La Patente, and its influence on our flag, bilingualism, not to mention how bilingualism (1966) gave Quebecois’ preferred status linguistically in our Federal Civil Service and bureaucracy, giving them a fairly large control of the running of Canada. Today, French is the first official language of ONLY 23% of Canada’s population, with 29.2% of Public Service of Canada employees identifying French as their first official language, including 32% of management-level jobs…quite out of proportion to their actual population, isn’t it! Since the report of the Royal Commission in 1969, the percentage of Francophones in the public service of Canada has increased, and the percentage of Anglophones has decreased…what a successful project until they were exposed by the press! But of course we can never turn back time…the success is ongoing. By 1971, 6 years after La Patente had disbanded Roman Catholicism was at its strongest in Canadian history (46% of the population)(I believe it was 25% when I was very young)…but the work over the previous 50 years of the Jacques Cartier society, La Patente, the Order of Jean Talon and others accomplished what was intended: The mandate … was to ensure the public interest of the French-speaking Catholics in Canada by training elite workers to promote their interests, in the public or in the private sector, while countering the influence of the Anglo-Protestant societies…now we have a man running for Prime Minister who dares to say with a straight face that : “he (Justin Trudeau) was tired of Albertans running the country and that, whether it was Jean Chretien or Brian Mulroney, Canada is better off when Quebecers are running the country” ….and that “the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec… THIS COUNTRY: CANADA – IT BELONGS TO US.” The spirit of La Patente lives on. Our two French Canadians seek for our votes…one who has dual citizenship with France and both allied with the Vatican (submission of religious will and mind to the Pontiff) have to prove they believe in a sovereign Canada…but will Canadians even get the point? If you believe in a sovereign Canada, ponder these facts…they are hard facts for some to swallow…Trudeau has already shown his colours…loud and clear. Harper, born and raised in Toronto (Leaside) and later educated out west, is the lone candidate who has no allegiances anywhere else but to Canada…Before becoming Prime Minister, Harper represented the NATIONAL CITIZENS’ COALITION that called for “more freedom through less government”…and he stands for Canadian citizens…no one else…and for a strong, sovereign Canada with a people unencumbered by a top heavy government…consider this when you vote.
commented 2015-07-25 23:28:43 -0400
“Peter you really didn’t read far in my post, did you.”

Guilty as charged. :)
commented 2015-07-25 22:27:21 -0400
Peter you really didn’t read far in my post, did you.
commented 2015-07-25 22:26:27 -0400
Two of them are, Peter…two of them ARE
commented 2015-07-25 19:10:19 -0400
Judy said, “I need to remind Canadians that loyalty to another country is the situation of several million Canadians…whom you ask?”

Yes, but none of them are running for Prime Minister of the country.
commented 2015-07-25 14:44:02 -0400
“Stompin’ Tom” (no offence to the real one) and the “Pretty Boy” teaming up??? Well, wee little Justin does need a “minder” because left on his own he consistently puts his foot in his mouth! Vets can treat “Foot (hoof) and Mouth Disease”. Canadians will rue the day they allow this “dipstick” duo to govern Canada. There are not enough shovels to dig us out o the debt hole that will be created.
commented 2015-07-25 14:43:01 -0400
Sorry to stir up a hornet’s nest, (well not really sorry) but since there was no place for comments (besides the petition) I would like to comment on Mulcair’s loyalty to another country (France) as a deliberate adult conversion to dual citizen. Ezra, et al here, including you who are submitted to the other country,…I need to remind Canadians that loyalty to another country is the situation of several million Canadians…whom you ask? Those who are loyal to the Country of the Vatican…Look here: http://www.museoparc.ca/vaniersurloutaouais/en/the-order-of-jacques-cartier/
The Vatican is a foreign country and yet we have had many prime ministers whose loyalty is stretched between Canada and the Vatican…a country with 200 Consulates around the world…so operating as a country, a political entity. What do we do with these divided loyalties? What can we do? Well we adopt the principles of the Vatican… So what is the big deal about France? “A Catholic, to remain a Catholic MUST SUBMIT his religious will and mind to the Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra”…that is an order to serious Catholics and a potentially serious threat to our country’s sovereignty, yet no one ever discusses that! Just had to put a fly in the ointment. Has Justin been excommunicated? I think not. What about Mulcair? Not heard that either….so he is more than a dual citizen of France and Canada.
Catholicism is not just an ordinary religion…it is a nation with political aspirations, ideologies and principles. Diane Francis exposed the secret Quebec society, La Patente, in her book “Fighting for Canada” by Key Porter Books published in 1993.

La Patente: secret society: The mandate of this exclusively male society was to ensure the public interest of the French-speaking Catholics in Canada by training elite workers to promote their interests, in the public or in the private sector, while countering the influence of the Anglo-Protestant societies…Wives were never told of this group that was Anti-Semitic, Anti-English, Anti-Protestant, anti-foreigners, restricted to Catholics and their FLAG: RED BARS AND A MAPLE LEAF replaced Canada’s red ensign flag…membership was a who’s who of Quebec politics, civil service, journalism and clergy…officially disbanded in 1965 but their beliefs are still operating..there is a whole chapter on La Patente in the book…great read. Raymond Laliberté wrote a 600 page doctoral thesis in 1982 (Laval University)saying the organization had been replaced by the Ordre de Jean -Talon for 2 years before migrating into the Parti Québequois and other nationalist movements. He said they were close to the Catholic Church leadership and had to swear an oath of allegiance…(not enough space here) Laporte was a member. Roch LaSalle (friend of Mulroney), and others who all denied they belonged, as required by their oath of secrecy. Michel Gratton in 1992 published a chapter about La Patente in his book “French Canadians”…La Patente means ‘the thing’. They even suspected Irish Catholics. They were responsible for pushing official bilingualism under Pierre Trudeau. They even spurned the Knights of Columbus for being too English….they disbanded after two exposés in newspapers and a rift between factions: 1.the promoters of French Catholicism across Canada and 2. the Separatists.
Their views are ingrained still in many in Quebec.
commented 2015-07-25 11:15:52 -0400
Peter – even psychopaths throw out a little truth, so that they make the rest palatable and accepted, without further scrutiny. All abusers use this tactic.
commented 2015-07-25 09:50:10 -0400
One way to look at the Ottawa Citizen printing a poll that shows the Conservatives at 38% is that since they are a left leaning paper then they would probably be likely to pick the poll that makes the Conservatives look the worst. Since the Conservatives have historically done better on election day than the polls rate them then we can hopefully look forward to another majority … … and save ourselves from the destruction that Justin and Thomas would bring … … at least for another four years.
commented 2015-07-25 08:15:29 -0400
Joan – and you believe the Ottawa Citizen? I don’t believe anything that paper says. Isn’t this the newspaper that gave Omar Kader a column?
commented 2015-07-24 20:13:19 -0400
Marty asks, “Is it not as bad as a coup in a third world dictatorship?”

In my opinion, just about, except for the lack of bloodshed.
commented 2015-07-24 18:09:22 -0400
Peter Netterville, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I have been trying to voice the very same sentiment for a long time now, but could not put it together as distinctly as you just did.
I always understood that this despicable move was legal, however, I have always wanted to know how to stop it from occurring.
A pipe dream maybe but one built on fear that the NDP and/or the Liberals and heaven forbid the Bloc would do, if they got the chance.
Is it not as bad as a coup in a third world dictatorship?
commented 2015-07-24 16:56:24 -0400
commented 2015-07-24 16:19:14 -0400
The whole concept of a coalition is, to me, an affront to democracy.

The party that gets the most seats is the one that is in office, so for two or more parties to form a coalition (which I completely understand is fully legal) I see as nothing more than a grab to take power away from the democratically elected government. It says clear and loud that the majority that voted for one party does not count.

Say for instance Mulcair gets a minority. (even saying that as a hypothetical situation makes my skin crawl) And then the Conservatives & Liberals form a coalition and cease power. That would make all the NDP and its supporters scream bloody murder. They would cry foul! This is because the left have always considered themselves playing by a different set of rules. What’s okay for them to do is not okay for right to do.
commented 2015-07-24 15:44:14 -0400
I don’t trust anything angry Tom or JT say. They would literally sell their grandmothers to win. You can bet that the plan is to stick us with a coalition government, if the babies can’t win on their own. The bloc head already said that he would like to be part of the plan to unseat Harper. He didn’t use those words, by he implied them. Harper is getting my vote, again! I pray that he gets another majority.