May 23, 2017

“Is Islam compatible with Western values?” and other questions for Trevor Noah fans

Rebel Staff

Last weekend, Trevor Noah spoke at a Toronto fundraiser hosted by an Islamist-linked group. It also featured Nouman Ali Khan, an American Muslim who's well known for supporting an extremist Salafi branch of Islam.

I wanted to talk to the people attending this event and hear their thoughts.

WATCH my video to see if they think Islam is compatible with Western values

I heard differing opinions on issues ranging from the Danish cartoon depicting Mohammad, to the differing views of British and North American Muslims. 

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commented 2017-05-24 18:00:29 -0400
Really Hyacinth? If they are openly displaying their hatred they are hardly “live and let live”, are they now? And is the rudeness you encounter because they are Muslim, or are they just assholes generally?

Anyway, I think we’re basically on the same page. The question posed is whether Islam is compatible with Western values, and I’ll still maintain that as a theocratic philosophy it clearly is not. Go reform your beliefs elsewhere, come back again in 500 years and we’ll see if we can make a go of it then.
commented 2017-05-24 10:54:20 -0400
Why don’t they ask the hard questions of Muslims like “Mohammed is it confirmed pedophile yes or no”
Or do they believe that the practice of female genital mutilation should continue and do they approve or not and would they subject themselves to it or their female children.!
Or how would they react if members of their family or immediate family became radicalized and wanted to carry out terror attacks.!
Or what is their interpretation of the Koran calling for the murder of Christians and Jews.
Or do they support the radical violence that is happening worldwide in the name of Allah.
You know… The hard questions..!
commented 2017-05-24 07:27:25 -0400
“Individual live-and-let-live Muslims will always be able to exist in the West”

That is a fallacy. While they do remain peaceful in small numbers their hatred towards non-muslims is still clearly visible. Encountering their women when shopping is not a pleasant occurrence, they go out of their way to be rude.
commented 2017-05-24 01:16:16 -0400
In Islam they want to kill people that draw cartoons. They want to kill people that criticize Islam. They want to kill people if they are Gay. They want to kill people if they are not Muslim. They want to kill people if they are a Jew. What a wonderful, giving religion, charitable, tolerant, forgiving, spreading love and compassion everywhere. Oh Wait! That describes Christianity, in Islam they just like to Kill People.
commented 2017-05-24 01:04:15 -0400
Hurt feelings doesn’t count and neither does ‘hate speech’. The only speech that should ever be outlawed is what is outlawed today. Calling for violence and slander.
commented 2017-05-24 00:34:08 -0400
The society has no obligation to make sure you feel safe from speech that you don’t like. Hate is a human emotion and hate speech expresses it outward. Keep it inward and violence will get out. But these muslims can express any hate they want, but not the majority who must stay silent. That’s the problem here: 2 different cultures a world apart, or 1000 years apart. The Muslims are still living in the dark ages and will bring us all down to the same era. Bravo Libtards!!! You are really regressive.
commented 2017-05-24 00:22:36 -0400
Well there’s the question isn’t it?

Does Islam only equate to a set of religious / sacred beliefs surrounding a deity folks privately pray to for guidance and reflection? I suspect for some Muslims at least this is the extent of their definition of Islam.

Or does Islam equate to the religion AND a theocratic form of government AND the sharia judicial system? The Islamists who follow this path clearly intend to supersede, by force if not by force of numbers, all other forms of government and judicial systems in the name of Allah.

Unfortunately, because one of the tenets of Islam is taqiyyah there is simply no possible method of easily differentiating a Muslim from an Islamist.

Also, because there is no one central, overriding authority (like a Pope) to steer Islam in a consistent, clear, upward evolutionary path, this particular theocratic philosophy is continually capable of being hijacked back to its 7th century roots and its literal Koranic interpretations by those who wield power, and who are far more interested in establishing their own position within a worldwide Caliphate than they are in establishing a personal connection with any deity.

The Islamic apologists and moral relativists who routinely (and lazily) equate current day Islamic terror with that of historical Christianity forget that Christianity as a religion had to undergo several centuries of bloodletting, chaos and gradual reformation before it ended up as it is today. Islam has never had such a reformation; it does not handle secularism well, even in its more “moderate” forms (can anyone really say Saudi Arabia cheerily adopts Western secular values, even though branded as a “moderate” among Muslim nations?).

So on balance, no; Islam as it currently exists is not compatible with Western values. It’s funny how many times apologists are quick to brand Islam as a guaranteed constitutional right because, when convenient to do so, it can be packaged and presented with a neat bow as “just another religion” in the pantheon of religions; anyone who cares to acquaint themselves with the facts can see from the Islamic experience elsewhere that it is clearly much more.

Individual live-and-let-live Muslims will always be able to exist in the West, but the overall Islamic philosophy as currently constituted runs counter to Western liberal secularism completely.
commented 2017-05-23 22:36:11 -0400
The guests in our country certainly do not have a sense of humor nor do they have a sense of fair play.
commented 2017-05-23 21:55:40 -0400
Not one of those people would see a punch coming. I’m just saying, asleep at the switch. Thing is, those are the people getting bombed. Don’t want to face reality
commented 2017-05-23 21:26:18 -0400
Free speech is ok as long as it does’t question our beliefs. If cartoons are a criminal offense then, no, you are not integrating. Intolerant people who demand to be tolerated.
commented 2017-05-23 18:25:02 -0400
A crowd of idiots. Don’t offend Islam and Mo but go to Mosque and listen to a “sermon” to hate and kill Jews. And the one clown saying the women were dressed in a appropriate manner.
commented 2017-05-23 16:57:33 -0400
Your video is frightening.
There seems to be an intellectual acknowledgement that Sharia culture should have dominance over western values. I fear Trudeau’s upcoming anti-freedom law will force us all to become silent (fearing persecution under that law). I also fear the next Conservative leader will cow-tow to Trudeau’s new law and not stand up for our western values.
By the time I retire, if it’s not too late, I’ve been thinking that it might be best to just shut out the media and internet and live out the rest of my years in isolation, not stressing over our loss of freedoms and the persecution of women, the LGBT community, non-Muslims, etc. Become oblivious to current affairs. Perhaps move to the outer reaches of Canada or another country that maintains the values that we cherish today. I want to die of old age. I want to die FREE.
But I will NEVER BE FREE of the sorrow for lost rights and freedoms, and I’ll constantly wonder why I didn’t do more to protect them.
commented 2017-05-23 16:42:27 -0400
When Justin said, “A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian” he was referring to convicted foreign born terrorists keeping their Canadian citizenship. Funny, the woman didn’t add that part! I call her out on Taqiyya.
commented 2017-05-23 16:17:07 -0400
Since 9/11 – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM (SATAN): 33,372 Attacks, 214,819 Killed, 295,945 Injured that we know of
commented 2017-05-23 15:56:59 -0400
By the end of this year, M 103, passed into law by the Liebranos and the No Democracy Party will make any discussions of Islam illegal!
commented 2017-05-23 15:47:52 -0400
I don’t agree with most of the opinions of these students!