Islamic radicalism is an urgent problem, but "certifying imams" is "a terrible idea"

“I await your smarmy response.’
Keep waiting. Under the advice of several commenters here, I’m trying to be more civil. Part of that is avoiding discussions that start with an invitation like that.

“However, can you explain what you mean by, your understanding of, radicalization of young Muslim Canadians?”

Good question. I guess I mean counseling to commit a criminal offense, using religion as a justification.

@terry Rudden

You said:

“To the folks below urging the deportation of “all Muslims” – would that include our Muslim members of Parliament, Senators, members of provincial legislatures, members of police departments and the armed forces, and so on? Just curious about how you envision this working. "

While in Afghanistan I watched a moderate islamic soldier fighting WITH the Americans, French and some Brits – turn on the French and kill several – wounded several others before being killed by one of my guys – a Canadian. This was a trained soldier, who had returned from training in the UK and was a “trusted” soldier.

I know of no Canadian soldier who did a "Stan tour and actually worked “outside the wire” and was not a REMF (google it) that would willingly fight alongside an islamic in an actual fire fight. And yes we have them in the military – but when I served I gave the very wide berth after my experiences. Completely untrustworthy.

As for the other people in other jobs?

I equate it to this – Yes – gone and not missed.

Islam is a disease that you have to live in and experience to understand that it will not change and assimilate – it demands YOU change for it. If you do not change for it then be on the look out – it truly is submit or die.

I await your smarmy response – however – and I hope it does not happen – we will see serious violence in Canada from the islamics – and watch the Europeans – they are in desperate trouble that is ignored by the media – that fight will be down and dirty and coming soon.

Appeasement does not work – islam respects strength and nothing more.

Out of this one.

Chaz Martel asked, “Why not certify them? They are for the most part, certifiable.”

The government should never be in the religious certification business.

Oh Lord, they have eyes but cannot see! 3 stages of jihad.

Why not certify them? They are for the most part, certifiable.

TERRY RUDDEN, thanks for some clarification as to your position with respect to the issue at hand. For example, you say that you, “absolutely…agree that the radicalization of young Muslim Canadians represents a threat.” However, can you explain what you mean by, your understanding of, radicalization of young Muslim Canadians?

Dan:
“I get the impression you don’t think the threat of Islam is as dire as it is.”
By which I will assume you mean I may not share YOUR view of its direness – or at least the direness felt by those who would deport Canadian citizens who are Muslim. That is correct, I do not share that view.
“You don’t understand why or how some Westerners could feel enough uncertainty, apprehension and fear from the complete cultural incompatibility and threat of Islam, to act out in the manner you allude to.”
I understand that fear very well indeed, Dan, having spent my life working and living in a number of cross cultural milieux, and having done considerable work for many years as a volunteer with newcomers to Canada. That’s one of the reasons I engage in these discussions; to try to point out the difference between (a) “Look, here’s a match. You must be careful with matches”, and (b) “AAARGGGHHH! A MATCH! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!”
I will try to watch the video you recommend. However, I don’t have much patience for home made propaganda with creepy music, out of context quotes, unsourced speculation, and fearmongering. I’ll watch it, and I’ll let you know what I think.

Ron Voss: Do I agree that the radicalization of young Muslim Canadians represents a threat? Absolutely. Do I agree that the licensing of Imams by the state is a terrible idea? Absolutely. What do I think is the solution? Ongoing monitoring, investigation of alleged illegality, application of our current criminal laws, increased funding for immigrant screening in the countries of departure, increased funding for immigrant transition in Canada…lots of things. But my comment was an attempt to point out some of our more rabid anti-Muslim friends the logical conclusion of their “intern and exile all Muslims” position.

Kelvin, I think it’s widely acknowledged that it was morally and legally wrong for Canada to arrest and intern some of its citizens because of their ancestry, as opposed to any crime they may have been suspected of committing. The same thing applies here, I think. If an Imam commits a crime, they should be investigated, arrested and tried. But we don’t arrest people or deport people in Canada solely because of their religion. That’s Nazi stuff.

Terry Ruuden;
Of course what you said is completely reasonable and I would also like to know how deportation of all Muslims from Canada would work – but perhaps for different reasons.
I get the impression you don’t think the threat of Islam is as dire as it is and therefore don’t understand why or how some Westerners could feel enough uncertainty, apprehension and fear from the complete cultural incompatibility and threat of Islam, to act out in the manner you allude to.
Well the threat seems real enough to me, especially after listening to ‘David Wood: The Three Stages of Jihad and the Qur’an in Context’:
http://counterjihadreport.com/2014/05/21/david-wood-the-three-stages-of-jihad-and-the-quran-in-context/
there’s a 25 minute video, or my preference, the written version.
Given your form in Lilley’s ‘greivence mongers’, Indian piece earlier, I be interested in hearing you (try to) counter Wood’s premise. Really.

I heard on my local radio station today, in the interior of B.C.,a local Imam saying there are no radical Imams in Canada.

Linda it proves we have been asleep at the wheel for a long time. Most Canadians are still asleep.

The whole world has gone mad. How did it ever come to this. That our enimies are so fully entrenched within our society angers me greatly.
I think I can here the pipes and drums calling. Can you hear them too?

Ezra is spot on with his recommendations. I would add that we need to infiltrate mosques with undercover cops who can record Imams inciting their congregants to kill the infidels. With this evidence we can arrest the Imams for inciting violence (clearly against the law) and we can deport them if they are not Canadian citizens. Also we can shut down the Mosques. This would be very easy to do but unfortunately our GUTLESS politicians lack the will to infiltrate Mosques out of fear they will “offend” Muslim’s. Instead they just pass more laws giving police the power to spy on us.

If this is a matter of immigration,, it is only a question of how desperate we are for immigrants?

You have heard the question WWJD?, consider this checklist of WWMD (What Would Muhhamad Do)?:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm

TERRY RUDDEN, two questions for you:
Do you agree with the concerns raised by Ezra and his proposed solutions?
What solutions, if any, do you have to offer?

Here is an example of what Ezra was talking about, a Saudi prince pledging $32 billion to advance the Islamization of America:
http://pamelageller.com/2015/07/saudi-prince-pledges-billions-to-promote-islamsharia-in-america.html/

Terry, as we all know what happened to the Japanese Canadians, can’t seeing happening now with muslims, although from what I’ve read the Japanese didn’t expel hate speech like some Canadian muslim clerics have. That being said a small percentage of Japanese traveled back to Japan to fight with their country men. Whereas the same thing is happening now with young muslim men heading to the Middle East in some cases at the behest of the imams and of course at Isis’s urging.
I can see the same fear amongst the Canadian population to do something similar deportation amongst the most popular. I think it’s another rabbit hole.

I am in agreement with Ezra on this! Yes our immigration Departmrnt needs to screen these foreign applicants better and ask more questions along the lines Ezra was suggesting!
I guess Bill C-51 cannot be used for the purpose it was intended in this matter?
Thanks to Obama showing up the whole world seems to have all these extremist Religion problems? Not faith problems but extremist Religion problems!

I am in agreement with Ezra on this! Yes our immigration Departmrnt needs to screen these foreign applicants better and ask more questions along the lines Ezra was suggesting!
I guess Bill C-51 cannot be used for the purpose it was intended in this matter?
Thanks to Obama showing up the whole world seems to have all these extremist Religion problems? Not faith problems but extremist Religion problems!

To the folks below urging the deportation of “all Muslims” – would that include our Muslim members of Parliament, Senators, members of provincial legislatures, members of police departments and the armed forces, and so on? Just curious about how you envision this working.

Of course it all depends who gets elected, doesn’t it?

I didn’t say the west wouldn’t stand with Israel, I said the the Vatican won’t.
Put the pen down Peter no scribbling on your monitor.

Slow down-Kelvin - What you posted is BS. I could care less about what the Pope says , especially this one, -but I can assure you that if it all is about war—

The West will always stand with Israel.
We are not exactly into Islamic rule.

“Mark my words,”

I would, but then I get felt pen marks all over my monitor.

Mark my words, nations and people are more and more becoming anti- Semitic . With the pope going to address congress this fall, he will in not so many words condone anti-semitism and of course yak on about global warming.
Forget the bible and its prophecys but this will insight Israel to attack Iran causing a global conflict. I don’t think that the popes words will be intentional for this to happen but it will happen. The Vatican will side with the muslims before they side with Israel

Politicians of all stripes and colours will never stop this ……………….. Never. It’s a global problem that will only be stopped by bullets and bombs. A bunch of politicos making laws is a giant waste of time , paper and air.

Stop all muslim immigration into Canada. Start deporting muslims beginning with the imams. There is zero tolerance within this cult towards all non-muslim people. They threaten to kill all non muslims and want to implement sharia law which calls for killing all non muslims or degrading them to dhimmis or inferior sub human status. They want to destroy our peaceful nation with lawlessness and violence and take over our property (look at the middle east and Europe). What’s good about them or peaceful? Get rid of them, period.

BRAVO you are right, Islam is written in stone, Muslims are not allowed to deviate or change anything.
Leave Islam under the penalty of death, so Muslims living here and not leaving Islam have to abide by the Koran .
As you say, in a few generations from now with Muslim birth rates and immigration,and the west slowly get saturated with Muslims and they infiltrate institutions and positions of power and bit by bit whittle away at the west’s freedoms,those "moderate " Muslims will only be too happy to live as the Koran and Sharia Law dictates .
I am reminded of the Imam that spoke in the white house, oh he was very moderate and said all the right things, then someone caught him talking about the west in private,he called the west " dirt, filthy"
The problem with Muslims and Islam , one never know whether to believe what they say or not, it is dictated in the Koran they lie to non believers to further Islam.
A quote from Islam 101
The Quran’s commandments to Muslims to wage war in the name of Allah against non-Muslims are unmistakable. They are, furthermore, absolutely authoritative as they were revealed late in the Prophet’s career and so cancel and replace earlier instructions to act peaceably. Without knowledge of the principle of abrogation, Westerners will continue to misread the Quran and misdiagnose Islam as a “religion of peace.”