January 27, 2018

Jack MacLaren: What happened to Brown could “pave the way” for the Liberals

David MenziesMission Specialist

 

On Friday’s episode of Rebel Roundup, Former Progressive Conservative and current Trillium MPP Jack MacLaren, joined me to weigh-in on PC party leader Patrick Brown’s dramatic resignation.

Watch as Jack runs through the list of disappointments grassroots members experienced under Brown’s tenure, explains why he thinks we’ll see more of the same from the party and why he also still sees an opportunity for true-blue conservatives.

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commented 2018-01-30 10:31:46 -0500
Yes he needs to apologize but neither is he big enough nor is he honest enough because he was in on the hoax.
commented 2018-01-29 23:13:09 -0500
Drew Wakariuk,

He doesn’t need to apologize.

He responded to what he believed was true at the time.

It was a couple kids screwing around, one of whom accidentally tore her scarf and didn’t want to get in trouble for it. Then it got blown out of proportion by the media on both sides of the fence. It doesn’t actually mean anything.
commented 2018-01-29 23:04:09 -0500
James Crockett why does the left give a damn when 30 people show up to support abortion then? And these people vote, and your peers seem to think that around that many Trans people should run the damn country.
commented 2018-01-29 23:02:54 -0500
James Crockett and Andrew it was staged by her racist mother and the school board and Justin hopped on it like pathetic fanatics. Why won’t he apologize? You are evading the question like good sheep.
commented 2018-01-29 23:01:22 -0500
James Crockett the Liberals are extreme left halfwit.
commented 2018-01-29 17:06:48 -0500
Shrug.

Ontario: old Huron word meaning “land of wailing papoose”.

Toronto: old Cayuga word meaning “squaw-men”.
commented 2018-01-29 12:48:56 -0500
Al Peterson,

No – the people of Toronto are not stupid and don’t fall for the extreme right agenda like so many of you do.

Andrew is right:

It was a couple kids screwing around, one of whom accidentally tore her scarf and didn’t want to get in trouble for it. Then it got blown out of proportion by the media on both sides of the fence. It doesn’t actually mean anything.
commented 2018-01-29 11:39:32 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 2018-01-28 18:56:28 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-01-28 11:20:19 -0500
By the way, near any of these cities today and tomorrow?
Come and march against Justin’s divisive baiting.
Cities dates and times described in link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUkcHbPXUAAvtYE.jpg

I heard 30 people showed up to the Toronto one, the epicentre. Half of them were probably Rebel Bureau Chiefs of some sort or another.
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Shows how brainwashed the volk in Toronto are. How have the mighty fallen.
commented 2018-01-29 06:17:29 -0500
Brown’s departure was a good thing. The PCs need a leader in Ontario.

Scheer needs to grow a set and take the Clown Prince out now while he is vulnerable.
commented 2018-01-28 23:03:05 -0500
Drew Wakariuk,

Wow – a few hundred people.

Canada has spoken!

LOL.
commented 2018-01-28 23:00:17 -0500
Drew Wakariuk,

The vast majority of Ontario is liberal and center right conservatives – not extreme right conservative or Rebel sheep.
commented 2018-01-28 21:55:31 -0500
James Crockett JUSTIN MUST APOLOGIZE! JUSTIN IS A RACIST! And YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
commented 2018-01-28 21:52:53 -0500
Andrew Stephenson you said:
Well, now we have some pretty solid evidence that the peanut gallery are simply ignoring any possible criticism of His Trumpness. Not that this is a surprise – supporting him is only justifiable if you flat-out ignore all the numerous negative aspects to his presidency.
Of course the story was critical and you deflect for Justin on the Hijab Hoax like a good filthy hypocrite. Your own words make you a hypocrite.
commented 2018-01-28 21:40:09 -0500
James Much of Ontario is conservative , Toronto is not everything.
commented 2018-01-28 21:39:34 -0500
Andrew some people have jobs. The Montreal march was larger. And he will not give an apology.
commented 2018-01-28 21:26:01 -0500
James/Frank
Jan G posted a letter written by Jim Karahelios. If you don’t know who this person is, I suggest you research him….very interesting history with Patrick Brown, the Executive, and strategists.
He raised some excellent points in his letter.
commented 2018-01-28 20:47:01 -0500
Jan G,

I am quite sure your email was immediately deleted.

Vic Fedeli needs to do what he can to win in the next election and that won’t happen if he listens to you.

We are talking about Ontario here – not Canada’s Texas in Alberta. The PC Party has to appeal to Liberals on some level, since Ontario is Liberal Nation. As awful as Wynne is, she would decimate someone like Kellie Leitch in an election.

Canadians don’t want to go any further than center right. If you don’t realize that by now in a country that is to the left of America, then you are simply delusional.
commented 2018-01-28 20:38:52 -0500
Andrew Stephenson,

LOL.

30 people showed up – that’s great. Trudeau’s re-election is certainly in jeopardy now.
commented 2018-01-28 18:56:28 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-01-28 11:20:19 -0500
By the way, near any of these cities today and tomorrow?
Come and march against Justin’s divisive baiting.
Cities dates and times described in link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUkcHbPXUAAvtYE.jpg

I heard 30 people showed up to the Toronto one, the epicentre. Half of them were probably Rebel Bureau Chiefs of some sort or another.
commented 2018-01-28 18:55:11 -0500
Any MPPs who voted in favour of anything Brown proposed, eg carbon tax, sex-ed, abortion clinic bubble zones, should get the boot.
If they supported him then and never said ‘no’, they are simply reinventing the wheel.
Fresh blood, fresh ideas, fresh faces.
Get rid of the old boys and clean the swamp,

Here’s Axe The Tax letter sent to Vid Fedelli/PC Party:

To: Vic Fedeli, MPP for Nipissing, Leader of the Ontario PC Party and the Opposition in Ontario

Date: January 27, 2018

Delivered Via Electronic Mail

Re: An Open Letter to Vic Fedeli on the Lies Behind Patrick Brown’s “People’s Guarantee”

Dear Mr. Fedeli,

Your election as the Interim Leader of the Ontario PC Party pursuant to our party constitution was an excellent choice by the Caucus of PC MPPs. Congratulations – your experience in business, community service, and politics (as the Mayor of North Bay and PC MPP for Nipissing) makes you a prudent choice to lead our party and the PC Caucus, during this turbulent time.

In order to move forward with a clean slate and put our Party in the best position to defeat Kathleen Wynne and her corrupt Liberal government, it is important that you – as Interim Leader – do not inherit the deception and lies that were perpetrated by the prior leader and his team of “strategists.” In politics, integrity can be everything.

PC Party members and the PC Caucus have been lied to about the current state of our party. Yesterday, the media quoted you as saying the following:

“I can tell you the 200,000 members that we have, got to write our party platform, they were heavily engaged, they got to vote on the individual pieces in the party platform.”

The media report attributed this to mean that party members had full input into Patrick Brown’s “People’s Guarantee.”

I believe your comments were made based on three lies provided to you, the PC Caucus, and PC Party members, by the former leader and his regime.

1. The Ontario PC Party does not have 200,000 current members.

In October of 2017, it was reported that the party had 127,000 current members. I have been advised that at the time the former leader made the announcement of 200,000 current members, the membership was actually less than the previously reported 127,000 figure.

I urge you to demand access to the party’s membership database from the PC Executive and publicly confirm for all PC members what many already know – that the current membership of the Ontario PC Party is not 200,000.

2. We were all lied to when we were told that all party members had full input into Patrick Brown’s “People’s Guarantee”.

The PC Executive instituted an online policy vote of carefully selected policies instead of holding a properly constituted policy convention in accordance with the party constitution.

There are rumours that well under 10,000 party members participated in this unconstitutional process. In fact, I have heard some reports that as few as 4,000 party members, or less, voted in this online process – less than 4% of the party membership.

I urge you to demand access to the online voting system used in this illegitimate process and publicly confirm for all party members how many party members registered for this online vote and how many of those registrants did in fact vote.

3. Party members did not have an opportunity to vote on every policy proposal.

I personally attended a regional policy meeting in the Kitchener-Waterloo region hosted by MPP Michael Harris and a riding policy meeting in Cambridge. In both meetings opposition to a carbon tax was the most popular policy in the room. I received similar accounts from other policy meetings.

It was only after the grassroots proposed policies in opposition to a carbon tax that the former leader announced that a vote on carbon taxation would be “off limits” in his illegitimate policy process – even though he did not have the authority to do this pursuant to the party constitution.

And the PC Executive provided cover for this lie by creating “Rules” governing the policy process that were in direct violation of the party constitution – “Rules” that they did not have the power to make.

I realize these are turbulent and unprecedented times in our party. But it is important that you and every member of the PC Caucus be made fully aware of the deceptive derivation of Patrick Brown’s People’s Guarantee.

In order to offer a compelling alternative to Kathleen Wynne’s corrupt Liberal government in the next election, we need to restore integrity in the Ontario PC Party.

We need to put an end to the corruption of the governance of our PC Party.

You have taken on a great responsibility in putting your name forward to serve as Interim Leader during this unprecedented period in our party’s history. I wish you all the best in the days and weeks ahead.

Jim Karahalios

http://www.axethecarbontax.ca/
commented 2018-01-28 17:32:11 -0500
Robert Mcclelland,

Except Harris was hated by both sides. Clearly you were not around at the time or didn’t pay attention. Trump is also hated by people on both sides.
commented 2018-01-28 17:30:29 -0500
Dale Warren,

Canada has been to the left of America for most our Canada’s existence. This isn’t some new thing.

Canada is more European – laid back, not uptight, sees the value of science over religion, forward thinking. Seeing boobies on TV doesn’t offend us like in America where they lost their fucking minds over Janet Jackson’s nipple and Canadians said – who cares?

Gay marriage was legal here 10 years before America was even thinking about it and there are still people that want it overturned in 2018 for fuck sake.
commented 2018-01-28 16:35:33 -0500
James . . . I agree, and Canadians are going to pay the price . . . almost 60% of Canadians just want Free Stuff . . . Canada needs a Donald Trump . . . but will likely wind up with an Hugo Chauvez !
commented 2018-01-28 16:28:34 -0500
To have a bunch of Marxists/Socialists wishing for one’s death means one is doing something right. The prime current example of this is Donald J. Trump.
commented 2018-01-28 16:17:30 -0500
Dale Warren,

By comparison, even the Conservative Party would be considered liberal by Republican standards. Canada as a whole is to the left of America.
commented 2018-01-28 16:14:25 -0500
Terry,

If you were around for Mike Harris, then you know how much he was absolutely hated in Ontario. People were wishing for his death.
commented 2018-01-28 16:11:44 -0500
Progressive Conservative is an Oxymoron . . . progressives are Hillary, Obumbler and Mussolini !

Ontario is Canada’s version of California . . . now with 1/3 of ALL US poverty, massive taxes & debt.
But hey . . . Ontar-i-owes per capita debt is higher . . . but the citizens like it that way . . . and will vote for dog catcher Wynne again . . . as business moves south for tax breaks and opportunity.
commented 2018-01-28 15:14:56 -0500
Not only does Vic Fedeli plan on sticking with Browns agenda, he is attempting to put a wrench in any attempt to have a leadership race (so reports Anthony Fury on his twitter page)
commented 2018-01-28 14:46:04 -0500
“Nonsense. The media created Trudeaumania. .Mike Harris is the only Ontario politician to overcome the media in the last 40 years . And Iron Mike had help as Boy Wonder Bob more than doubled Ontario’s accumulated debt in the previous 5 years. "

I’ll stick with my nonsense, TERRY. You stick with ours.
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