March 08, 2015

One-on-one with Jason Kenney: How far will Canada go to fight Muslim terror abroad?

Brian LilleyArchive

At the Manning Networking Conference, I spoke at length with recently appointed Defense Minister Jason Kenney.

We talked about the "steep learning curve" that accompanied Kenney's new cabinet position, and his family's long history of military service.

I asked him how far Canada could afford to spread its military resources to fight Muslim terrorism abroad.

(NOTE: This interview took place before news broke of the death of Sgt. Andrew Doiron in northern Iraq. Minster Kenney's remarks about Sgt. Doiron can be viewed HERE.)

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commented 2015-03-10 16:22:51 -0400
A portion of Brian’s interview with Defence Minister Jason Kenney was included in another post a day later entitled “Death by political correctness: How the fear of calling terrorism ‘Islamic’ is getting people killed”. Considering that title, specifically the reference to “political correctness”, the full interview with Kinney, despite the cheerleading by the bulk of the various commentators (below) apart from Cory Simmons and Ho Hum, was not very reassuring that our security was in good hands.

Kenney at one point, admitting that he was drawing upon Prime Minister Harper’s own phrasing, described the terrorist activities abroad and in Canada as “this jihadist threat”. Delighted that Kenney was brave enough to say the word “jihadist” in their conversation, Brian then points out that the “chattering classes, whether it is other political parties or in the media, are “afraid of that word” and asked Kenney why he used that word.
Kenney replied that the terrorists like ISIL “believe in something they called the doctrine of armed jihadism, a particular ideology; it’s a distortion, I believe, of a religion. It’s a particularly pernicious and violent distortion, but to pretend that this ideology is not rooted in a distortion of a certain theology is to ignore reality”.
According to Kenney, what he describes as “the doctrine of armed jihadism” is a “particular ideology”, “a distortion…of a religion”, and “rooted in a distortion of a certain theology”. Coming back to the matter of political correctness, in other words he is distancing “the doctrine of armed jihadism” as having any connection with Islam. Jason Kenney, when it comes to “a religion”, can you say “Islam”? When it comes to “a certain theology”, can you say “Islam”? Reminds me of Ezra’s Sun News report in January 2015, “The Liberal response to the Paris attacks”, wherein Trudeau describes the individuals involved in the attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris as representing “a perversion of Islam…distorted ideology and propaganda masquerading as religion”. I don’t see Kenney’s explanation as being any different from Trudeau’s.

It gets worse when Kenney says, “We have to face reality. And the reality is that a vast majority of victims of these Jihadists, by the way, are Muslims, honest, law-abiding, peaceful Muslims who just want to get along, raising good families and who are being targeted for this kind (blank); so we stand with them in solidarity…” Now Kenney is sounding like U.S. President Obama, who to back up his claim that "ISIL is not Islamic”, identifies that the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim! Yes, most victims have been Muslim, but it does not necessarily follow that the Islamic state thereby is not adhering to Islam? Consider the following from the Quran 9:73: “O you prophet, perform jihad (holy war) against the infidels (unbelievers) and the hypocrites, and be harsh with them. And their abode will be hell, and evil is the destination”. That is, Muslims are commanded to wage jihad not only against unbelievers, but also against hypocrites, people who claim to be Muslims but aren’t doing what Allah tells them to do. Keep in mind that there are various factions in the Muslim world just like there are, for example, various Christian denominations. So when ISIL kills Muslims who they regard aren’t adhering to core Islamic doctrine, they are just doing in their own mind what Allah commands. Unlike where a Christian denomination may call out and separate from another Christian denomination that it views as being apostate, the penalty for apostasy in the Muslim world is death (according to one report, since 1948 there have been about 11 million Muslim-on-Muslim killings).
I would wholeheartedly agree with Kenney when he said, “All I know is that you can’t deal with a security threat or any kind of other threat unless you have an accurate diagnosis” – basically common sense, if you don’t know your enemy, you can’t defeat your enemy (to paraphrase 6th century BC Chinese general and military strategist Sun Tzu, author of The Art of War). However, as per the above, his diagnosis is faulty; thereby, throwing into serious question this government’s ability to deal with the security threat, which is alarming!
commented 2015-03-09 13:32:56 -0400
Look Ho Hum, not all new immigrants are terrorists any more than all refugees from Nazi-occupied eastern Europe were Nazis, or all Japanese people were kamikaze pilots or all Italians are in the mob … I’m sure you get the point. Given the complexities of the immigration portfolio Kenney has done a pretty impressive job of managing it. And what’s wrong with reaching out to communities of new immigrants who might connect with values like working hard, educating your kids, being entrepreneurial – which is what many new immigrants are about? Frankly, what does his sex life or confirmed bachelor status have to do with anything? We’re expecting him to lead a large government portfolio not ask you out on a date. So far Kenney hasn’t given me a reason to dislike him.
commented 2015-03-09 08:04:02 -0400
HO HUM, You criticize and blame the Harper Government for their immigration policies and pandering to the Muslim communities , but what of the alternative.Do you honestly think that the Liberals or NDP would have put up a wall to keep the Muslims out?
commented 2015-03-09 07:48:12 -0400
Jason Kenney is an impressive man who has now served Canada well in several portfolios. He is also the consummate politician and very precise and thoughtful in his wording. Clearly our Prime Minister trusts Mr. Kenney because he can depend on him to do his assignments with energy, efficiency and discretion. A discretion which has proven to be the better part of an impressive performance. One can easily envision Mr. Kenney in the position of Prime Minister when Mr. Harper decides to step down.
commented 2015-03-09 00:55:43 -0400
HO HUM: YOu discredit yourself and turn an otherwise valid argument into a laughing stock when you say Jason Kenny “doesn’t care about thru security of Canadians”. Out course he does. What a foolish thing to say!
commented 2015-03-08 23:39:35 -0400
Good interview. Kenny is a good man and one day will be our Prime Minister The CPC is batting near a thousand.
commented 2015-03-08 22:36:40 -0400
Something to consider is this. In the last 10 years Canada’s Muslim population has doubled to over a Million and during much of this time Jason Kenney was the immigration minister. During his tenure 10,000’s of Iraqi and Afghanistan refugees were allowed into Canada (to sponge off our welfare state). In other words – Canada is a far less safe place thanks to the immigration policies of this little man Jason Kenney (a self proclaimed 46 year old virgin) and Stephen Harper. During his time as immigration minister – this “confirmed bachelor” spent many weekends visiting Mosques all for the purpose of buying votes. Jason Kenney doesn’t care about the security of Canadians.
commented 2015-03-08 22:27:28 -0400
Notice the political correctness of Jason Kenney? He refers to the Islamic State as the “so-called” ISIL and then reverts to the name “Daesh” which is the label preferred by people like John Kerry who want to disassociate the Islamic State with Islam. Kenney does use the term “Jihadist” but as noted by another commenter he makes reference to his boss using the term “Jihadist”. Kenney repeats the politically correct mantra that ISIL is a “distortion of an ideology” i.e. it has nothing to do with Islam and that most of it victims “are Muslim” and that we “stand by the Muslim”.
commented 2015-03-08 20:02:59 -0400
Another excellent example of the power of the new Rebel format. A 10 minute interview? Impossible on TV! But so important to see, and so beneficial to all, whether you agree with him or not!
commented 2015-03-08 17:57:57 -0400
Brian: your interview of Minister Kenney much appreciated. It’s clear he is already up to speed in the defense portfolio, which, given his performances in other ministries, doesn’t surprise me.
commented 2015-03-08 17:57:42 -0400
Gotta love how Jason Kenney tip toes around the use of correct but offensive terminology. He can’t even say jihadi without quoting that fact Harper used it first. Good interview but his progressive views run a little deep.
commented 2015-03-08 17:52:43 -0400
Minister Kenney: your interview on TheRebel much appreciated.
commented 2015-03-08 17:46:00 -0400
Mr Kenny is the kind of man that could be PM one day. Truly a respect worthy individual.
commented 2015-03-08 17:45:12 -0400
That was a great interview!
commented 2015-03-08 17:21:54 -0400
Funny thing is more Arab states are lining up with Israel out of fear of ISIS. Obama had to offer Gulf states protection from Iran to try and get them back on side. Saudi offerring to join Israel in attack Iran must have shook Obama up..
commented 2015-03-08 17:19:52 -0400
Why does everyone think that Obama should be calling the shots.
commented 2015-03-08 17:18:02 -0400
Jason Kenney is the right man for the job.
commented 2015-03-08 17:05:34 -0400
Great interview Jason! Bottom line; The muslim problem needs a united effort from all the western nations and any in the middle east who want to climb onboard. As long as Obama is in charge that is unlikely to happen.
commented 2015-03-08 16:39:40 -0400
Jason is clear and direct. Great interview.
commented 2015-03-08 16:29:17 -0400
Another great interview by Rebel Lilley!

Jason Kenney is an amazing individual. Steep learning curve indeed. Yet look at how well-informed and positive he is.

The threat from Daesh will require a strong organized coalition offensive. I wish our guys were calling the shots. Obama is such a disaster.