October 26, 2015

BREAKING: John Baird OUT of the Conservative leadership race

Brian LilleyArchive

Well that didn’t last long.This morning former Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird was in the leadership race, now he is out.

The Globe and Mail cited a long time senior staffer named Christ Froggat as saying Baird was seriously considering a run.

“A month ago he would have dismissed the idea. I think now it is something he is strongly considering,” Froggatt told The Globe.

Hours later a statement from Baird was pretty definitive in a statement issued to the media.

“While I have, indeed, received expressions of interest and am tremendously flattered by the support, I will not be running for leader of the Conservative party of Canada,” Baird said.

“When I retired from politics, I spoke about starting a new chapter in my life. I am extremely happy with this new chapter and will remain dedicated to my work in the private sector.”

Other than that not much of an update on the leadership front as potential candidates except the glee in the media at the idea that Red Tories could take over the Conservative Party of Canada once again.

The Ottawa-only publication iPolitics has a piece that trumpets Jean Charest and Brian Mulroney, pointing to a long scheduled speech Mulroney will be giving to raise money for the Albany Club in Toronto next week.

According to sources cited by iPolitics this is going to be about Mulroney telling the party how it has to change:

“Before they choose a leader, they need to have a conversation about the soul of the party, and he’s the one to do that,” said a source close to the former prime minister. “How does the party make its way back to the centre?”

“Back to the centre.” Really?

Look, I think some of what the Conservatives reached for during the last campaign was them grasping at straws and I have said so but was the Conservative Party under Stephen Harper some far right machine? No.

If you want my thoughts on what needs to be done you can read my day after the election column here.

The fact is the Red Tory/Harperite split is being played up by media types desperate for a horse race and a fight. Can anyone really tell me, anyone that actually has a clue about the Mulroney years that is, that most of Harper’s caucus would have been out of step with the Mulroney PCs?

They may have made different choices on policies but the idea that there is a major ideological split in the Conservatives on these old battle lines is false.

The Conservatives do not need to become more progressive because progressivism and conservatism are competing ideologies. You cannot actually meld them, it would be like having the "push me – pull me" party.

Can the CPC and the wider conservative movement learn lessons from the last ten years in power and the last election? Absolutely.

Do they need to learn those lessons from a bitter old prime minister still upset that an inquiry into his bad behaviour was called after he demanded Stephen Harper call such an inquiry? No.



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commented 2015-11-15 09:03:16 -0500
As much are there is are those who are offering all kinds of theories about why John Baird isn’t seeking the Conservative leadership, there is the elephant in the room that no one, still, seems to want to mention …

Baird is gay. Yep, social-conservatives are really going to back his candidacy now.

As for the rest of the list, Jason Kenney is an option. Social-Conservatives will favour him. And he does have a pretty strong core of support in Alberta. But is anyone ready to elect a 47 year old virgin as their leader? Putting Kenney’s devout Catholicism aside, that’s just too out there for most people.

That leaves Peter McKay. Tall, rugby handsome, and married to a stunningly beautiful wife, he’s perfect. He’s perfect because he’s married and has children (Apart from the other two guys.) But McKay tenure in cabinet was from one train wreck to another.

I guess the Conservatives are going to have to outsource their leadership. The Mulroneys, S.V.P.
commented 2015-11-03 23:53:19 -0500
He works for China. Like Stockwell Day.
commented 2015-10-27 18:19:57 -0400
Who wants to lead a capsizing ship? Don’t blame in. Come back in 2 years and maybe someone might care enough.
commented 2015-10-27 16:11:02 -0400
Maggie Thatcher said it best: “First you win the argument, then you win the election”.
That presupposes that the low info voters who put the left into power have anything
invested beyond the equivalent reasoning ability and invective of an ignorant teen
aged fan of some supposedly “hometown” sports team.
The only thing that will wake most of them up is economic misery. The opposition must
be led by people who can instantly cut through the pro Liberal bullshit in the media
and show how systemic misgovernment is at work every hour of every day.
That requires a lot of work.
Don’t hold your breath.
commented 2015-10-27 14:07:19 -0400
Jimmy said “Might you consider a political party change, because at this point – there is nowhere to go, but up?”. I assume he is talking about the added national debt that will be wracked up by Prince Charming to be paid by all Canadians, their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren because of an adolescent view held by people who think their government owes them a living.Get off your ass and get a job and stop blaming everyone else for your shortcomings!!
commented 2015-10-27 11:34:13 -0400
I’m very disappointed to hear that Mr. Baird decided not to run.

As for Mr. Mulroney, he is still bitter about the Meech Lake failure. Most Canadians at the time were not too pleased with its asymmetrical federalism bowing to Quebec. What he says now is not much better than listening to Mr. Chretien talk about honesty in government or Mr. Charest talking about strong leadership; past their due date politicians with distorted memories of their glory days.
commented 2015-10-27 11:27:01 -0400
My point is about ACCURACY, Jimmy. Those people who claim to hate Harper don’t know the man — AT ALL. What they MEAN is that they either hate his policies, or they hate his actions. (Or they’ve bought into the media rhetoric, with no independent research of their own. You know, the “sheeple”.)

How can you truly hate someone you don’t know? THAT is my point. The rest is just hyperbole and whining. On another thread you stated (accused?) that my “vision” is not one of Canada, is not Canadian. I never made any such claim. Again, ACCURACY. In this other thread, I stated what I would prefer, myself only, my priorities and perceptions. I said nothing whatsoever about applying it to other people — you read that in all by your lonesome. Again, ACCURACY. I write what I mean, and I mean what I write. ACCURACY.

I think you’d better read much more clinically what I write from now on…

Speaking of accuracy, I find it interesting that among “Harper-hating” lefties who consistently quoted that over 60% of voters did NOT vote Conservative last election, these same lefties are quietly ignoring that over 60% did NOT vote for Junior… just an aside…

You and I have vastly differing viewpoints, Jimmy, and neither will change the other. I’m not wrong, and neither are you. Let’s let it be, ideologically.
commented 2015-10-27 11:24:33 -0400
Bryan, you sir are beating a drum without a skin. This guy was nothing more than a screamer who played the game he was told to play. For the record, this is the furthest thing from Breaking News. He knew before he left that the Party was being sent to the back of the bus in October. He walked away to save face.
commented 2015-10-27 11:09:55 -0400
Don, Wynn did! I don’t thing being gay would matter. Wynn has a gay agenda and she still won.
commented 2015-10-27 05:07:08 -0400
I’d like to see Michelle Rempel take over as Conservative leader. God knows we could use a fresh young face to lead the party. Oh, and by the way, she is one very intelligent lady.
commented 2015-10-27 03:04:57 -0400
Hardly surprising that Baird is not in the leadership race. If he tried to win the leadership race he would have to come clean on his personal life. It is an open secret in Ottawa that Baird leads an openly gay lifestyle even though he has not openly declared his homosexuality to the voting public. I don’t think Baird could win the conservative leadership by declaring his gayness. I think the same dilema faces Kenney who has a mysterious personal life (claims he is still a virgin). It is one thing to get elected MP with a secret lifestyle but you cannot be PM without your personal life being scrutinized.
commented 2015-10-27 02:03:19 -0400
Jimmy i know liberals who hate Justin as well, what is your point? And my fiance is from quebec she knows damn well all about the most corrupt party in our history-THE LIBS! The conservatives and the NDP cannot even come close to them in corruption
commented 2015-10-27 02:01:51 -0400
Jimmy Da Silva please tell us your version of the truth and try to back it up with real facts , not liberal garbage.
commented 2015-10-27 01:48:06 -0400

I love it that only people on The Rebel know the truth about Stephen Harper and that everyone else with a negative view of Harper – be it conservative or liberal, has been corrupted by the media. It’s not like he has done anything or acted in a way that could make people not like him.

Let me ask you the same question that no one has been willing to answer:

If you were living a happy and prosperous life – making good money and the future looking bright for you and your family, would you care what the media had to say about someone that you feel helped you achieve this wonderful life. Would you listen to the media and potentially risk that happy and prosperous life that you are living by voting for someone else because the media has demonized a politician that again – you feel has helped you achieve the glorious life you are living?

Now what if your weren’t living a happy and prosperous life for the last 10 years and didn’t like the Canada that you were living in. Might you consider a political party change, because at this point – there is nowhere to go, but up?

Welcome to the world of millions of Canadians – who voted for Mulcair and Trudeau.
commented 2015-10-27 00:54:15 -0400
So, what do you hate about Harper, Andrew? Have you ever met the man? Do you know his personality? Have you personally talked to those closest to him in the HoC? Were you present when he’s been acting the way he’s accused of?

If you answered “no”, then you’re relying on the mainstream media for your information, and they’ve lied to you. Worse, you’ve believed it. You haven’t bothered to get your information firsthand. It would be no better for me to start hating you because you apparently are saying something I dislike. (Irrational, isn’t that thought?)

I’m not defending Harper. In my opinion, he’s pulled a couple royal bonehead moves. But nothing to deserve hatred.

You hate Harper? Tell me why, complete with instances and rationale.
Or are you merely a Red Tory?
commented 2015-10-26 22:02:56 -0400

It’s cute that you are defending someone – who you know had absolute hate coming from both sides. I talk to conservatives all the time and many conservative writers have stated the same thing per the aftermath of Harper loss.

In fact they have even stated that Conservatives could have won if it was someone other than Harper. Unlike you, they are capable of recognizing the problem that conservatives and the conservative party had with Harper.

But I am glad that you were in love with him.
commented 2015-10-26 21:45:01 -0400
Jimmy you have absolutely no way whatsoever in identifying how many of those 5,600,496 people volte even though they hated Harper and how many voted who liked Harper. Your comment than many people even conservatives hated Harper is based on nothing more then your fondest wishes, nothing more. You have no evidence, no facts, nothing. Your comment is meaningless.
commented 2015-10-26 21:38:27 -0400

Conservatives are still going to vote conservative. Hating the guy running the party isn’t going to make them vote Green instead.

Didn’t you read The Globe And Mail endorsement of the Conservative Party, but not Harper?
commented 2015-10-26 21:30:43 -0400
If so many people hater Harper as you claim Jimmy, he would not have received 5,600,496 votes, only 231905 less that what he got in the 2011 election.

But then Jimmy, I wouldn’t want facts to get in the way of your Harper hate fest.

Oh, and as for me flirting with you, you are not my type in oh so many ways.
commented 2015-10-26 21:22:13 -0400
“Would those “Conservatives” be living in Toronto, perchance, Jimmy? Because I know of none west of Ontario that actually hated Harper… "

You just met one :)
commented 2015-10-26 21:13:34 -0400

All over Canada. I regularly talk to a very religious conservative that lives in BC. But what would it matter anyway – these are people who voted for Harper to begin with.
commented 2015-10-26 21:07:39 -0400
Would those “Conservatives” be living in Toronto, perchance, Jimmy? Because I know of none west of Ontario that actually hated Harper…
commented 2015-10-26 21:05:24 -0400
How about Pierre Poilievre?
He has impressed me as someone who could excell in politics.
commented 2015-10-26 21:04:06 -0400

I talk to many conservatives at other sites – they hated Harper. Much like the Globe And Mail – they support The Conservative Party and will vote for them, but they hate Harper.

Even in the aftermath of the election, conservatives online have stated that Harper should have been dumped for someone else to run The Conservative Party, because for too many Canadians on both sides, Harper had the appeal of cancer.
commented 2015-10-26 20:59:14 -0400
“Harper was not even right wing at all Jimmy…he was a moderate to a fault…I wish he had had more of the right in him”

Even an ultra-partisan like SH realized that there simply isn’t enough Right in Canada to win without taking a centrist approach. 60% of Canadians lean left, and a certain percentage more are swing votes. Of course, if this was to be his last term anyway, that limitation no longer matters. Better he be removed before then …
commented 2015-10-26 20:51:08 -0400
Further, Jimmy, most of us “Conservatives” here juts voted for Harper (and his regional reps, the MPs) as the LEAST of the evils… (while thinking that you and your cronies voted for the larger (but not the largest) of the evils…)
commented 2015-10-26 20:49:09 -0400
No, Jimmy, Harper wasn’t hated by Conservatives. That’s an over-generalization. There are many of us who supported his stand and his principles, and wished he was MORE conservative than he acted. The media sure hated him, but Conservatives usually distrust the media…
commented 2015-10-26 20:30:59 -0400

Are you flirting with me?
commented 2015-10-26 20:30:36 -0400

The way you feel about Harper is not the way most people feel about him. He was hated by conservatives too, so it’s not just a liberal thing.
commented 2015-10-26 20:28:55 -0400

Ben Carson has ZERO chance in America or Canada.

Any more right than Harper is unelectable in Canada. If The Conservative Party want to win elections, it will be with someone who is center right, but still somewhat progressive on some issues.