John Horgan's Trans Mountain obstruction harms BC economy

With respect to the play fighting, there may well be a method to their madness. We now hear the argument: ‘If No pipeline, then No carbon tax.’
That’s concerning. So, after all these theatrics, if the pipeline goes ahead, then the mantra becomes, ‘Yes to a pipeline, then Yes to a carbon tax.’ Maybe that’s what Trudeau had in mind when he said that settling this fight with respect to the pipeline “means we will also be able to move forward” with the Paris Climate Accord agenda and objectives.

And why should Alberta’s coal mines be shut down but not BC’s?

Canadian Patriot , good comment.
BC just exports their greenhouse emissions to the likes of China who have the worst pollution in the world. British Columbians can hold their heads up high knowing they are a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions.

I think the signalling of virtue here would require BC to stop mining coal and polluting other countries. Perhaps if they won’t then Victoria should ship their kaka to China as well. Whats the difference?

Coal is British Columbia’s main export. Without coal exports, the province would collapse economically. Pot meet kettle. The hypocrites in British Columbia are beyond nauseating.
“Coal production is a mainstay of the province’s economy, generating billions of dollars in annual revenue and supporting thousands of well-paid jobs. Coal production currently represents over half of the total mineral production revenues in the province. Coal is B.C.’s largest single export commodity.”
-Government of Canada Ministry of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources
http://www.empr.gov.bc.ca/mining/geoscience/coal/Pages/default.aspx

Durward Saar = NDP/Greeny shill. You didn’t get past your first line of text before dropping a pant load. Local BC construction workers would be employed building the pipe. Revenue sharing is always part of the approval once operational. First Nations Bands get an upfront amount when the pipe crosses their territory and are also part of the operational revenue sharing. First Nations people are offered jobs building the pipe. Provincial and municipal governments get revenue from oil pipelines. Burnaby gets about one million per year.

Vancouver airport relies on jet fuel that is shipped from Edmonton. Alberta could shut down the Vancouver airport in a matter of days so you better get that pipeline from the USA built real fast and enjoy paying higher prices too. Exporting oil from Alberta to tidewater at the WTI price would generate more tax revenue in the country to support transfer payments for line items such as health care. Joined at the hip NDP/Greeny leaf lickers like you are hilarious when you pretend to support the oil industry.

Polls are garbage, the Constitution has been a dead document since 1931 and BC’s economy will NOT benefit from this pipeline, it will cost the economy as money is drawn out of the economy at the pump to pay for this pointless pipeline for American profits and jobs. We can neither use or refine this oil so how does it benefit us? Alberta only has an oil industry because BC gave it to them through the moratorium on off shore drilling.. We have more oil than Alberta and of far better grade just offshore that would benefit all Canadians as it’s not gunk but fine oil. Better if you refine the oil in Alberta to make it usable in Canada, then we’d support a pipeline that would increase the fuel here, rather than just exporting resources and jobs at our expense.

Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson stated “Not transporting it at all is safer yet., and natural gas isn’t oil.”
Then, as I stated before, turn in your computer, and all daily items in your life derived from or consisting of products from oil & gas, go live in a cave, and I will bring you a coffee to discuss how that works for you. Why wouldn’t we use our own resources instead of importing the products? And if you are so stupid to think we don’t know the difference between oil and gas, why didn’t you answer the questions about using our oil from the oilsands (not tarsands, tar comes from coal,) and use our natural gas from all across western Canada, to sustain ourselves and sell to the world? We do have the safest, cleanest, best systems in the world for extracting and transporting these products, but you prefer they go by rail or come across the border in tanker trucks or by rail? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, you certainly don’t express the opinion of one who claims to hold a PhD. Then again, I am still waiting to hear for whom you are holding it for?

Speaking of wind farms… Just watched a documentary on historical sites around Britain related to the earliest monastaries for the founding of the conversion of pagans to Christianity… I was dismayed by the number of wind farms marring horizon in all these historic locations… Marring the natural sight line and churning and killing untold numbers of birds and bats…

Horgan The Organ is being held hostage to those three Green seats by Andrew Weaver who jumped onto the “global warming” sham about the same time that Al Gore did… He did face “reality” however in giving the go-ahead to the Peace River Site C dam project… Hard to tap-dance around the need for that one in the coming years! Being the only Canadian port province on the Pacific, B.C. is going to be the “cork” or the “gateway” to prosperity for all of Western Canada in the coming decades… Dismaying that there would now be even a “debate” on which way to go… What!?.. Given our oil and natural gas reserves we’re going to sit on them and sink into a third-world economy and build wind farms???…

Andrew: Your comment 4 hours ago that BC has been importing all its gasoline from the US. Yet just before this you said that BC has limited local refinery capacity which means that they do have some refinery capacity hence they produce some gasoline. Looks like you contradicted yourself.

If you lived here like I do you would know that the tanker trucks coming across the border from the Cherry Point Refinery in Washington State carry jet fuel. They go straight to the airport and nowhere else. The gasoline imported into BC from the US comes in car’s gas tanks because it is a lot cheaper there.

Jolly good. The only way leftists learn is from prolonged personal pain. So the sooner and the more and the longer BC hurts the better. It’s the only education they understand.

“Common Sense commented 6 hours ago
So Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, it’s better and safer to transport via rail car and tanker truck? You are insane, and do you know how many thousands of jobs are related to the drilling of natural gas in NE BC? Of course you don’t, or you deny. What about the LNG project they lost, and what about the economic benefits of the LNG project approved in Alaska, worth billions. Can you get any more stupid? "
Not transporting it at all is safer yet., and natural gas isn’t oil.

I am in favour of natural gas, as long as we’re not liquidating it at a firesale price for the sake of “jobs”, and as long as the royalties are used responsibly. Unlike oil, NG leaks have fairly minor consequences; methane is a powerful GHG but even that can be contained, and its usage largely displaces coal, an ecologically ruinous fuel at every stage of its lifecycle. Renewables would be better, but NG is a dramatic improvement over coal.

Your argument is a strawman because of it.

“Ted Tadright commented 3 hours ago
Right now Vancouver has only one source of supply for oil, the existing Kinder Morgan pipeline. If that line goes out of service for any reason, Vancouverites will have to import all their gasoline from the USA.”

They have been importing all their gas from the US. That’s why its’ so expensive recently. They have limited local refinery capacity and when that goes down, there’s none at all.

When did an NDP government ever care about the economy? The answer to that is never.

Right now Vancouver has only one source of supply for oil, the existing Kinder Morgan pipeline. If that line goes out of service for any reason, Vancouverites will have to import all their gasoline from the USA. They are already paying the highest gasoline prices in North America by far; what will they be paying if all their gasoline is imported? Probably upwards of $2 per litre. You vote NDP/Green, you get what you deserve, eh?

So Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, it’s better and safer to transport via rail car and tanker truck? You are insane, and do you know how many thousands of jobs are related to the drilling of natural gas in NE BC? Of course you don’t, or you deny. What about the LNG project they lost, and what about the economic benefits of the LNG project approved in Alaska, worth billions. Can you get any more stupid?

It’ll be interesting to see if a little squeeze on the existing oil supply will change that unemployment figure.

Horgan is having his cake and eating it too. He’s fighting for the “green” voter while knowing KM expansion will go through, and he will blame federal law for that, thus keeping his union base.
Trudeau of course wins when MSM fawns all over him for being the “tough” negotiator. All just a political game.

BC’s unemployment is below 5%, they don’t need the jobs. Is it actually “harm” if you’re forgoing something with very minimal added marginal benefit, that may not be worth the environmental risks?