November 21, 2018

Saudi Arabia allegedly murders a Muslim Brotherhood activist in Turkey. How much should we care?

Ezra LevantRebel Commander


Jamal Khashoggi was born in Saudi Arabia — and was killed by them, at the Saudi consulate in Turkey.

I have a question for you: How much should you and I care about this?

Because a lot of people say we have to care a lot — including Justin Trudeau who says he wants answers; and Chrystia Freeland, our foreign minister who loves quarrelling with the Saudis, calls the murder heart-breaking.

I suppose every death is heart-breaking, and every murder is an outrage.

But Khashoggi was not an American citizen; he was not a permanent resident; he did not have a green card. He certainly wasn't Canadian.

Yet Trudeau said he brought up the subject of Khashoggi's murder during a recent phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and briefly again when the two met on the weekend in Paris. Trudeau said he, "thanked [Erdogan] for his strength in responding to the Khashoggi situation.”

But again: why does Canada care? Why should America care?

Because it’s spectacular news, a dramatic hit? I’m sorry — that happens all the time in the worst places in the world. Turkey and Saudi Arabia have a feud, and this guy Khashoggi was in the middle of it.

If it were a citizen — you bet. We have to defend our citizens around the world. Funny that Trudeau doesn’t do that, though.

He doesn’t help Canadian citizens who are held hostage by Muslim terrorists — he lets them die. There are Canadian citizens rotting in prison in China on trumped up charges — do you think Trudeau even mentions their names to his Chinese dictator friends? A Canadian woman was raped and then murdered in Iran, and yet Trudeau wants to re-establish diplomatic ties with them.

And then there’s Trump.

Trump released a statement that spoke the unvarnished truth.

The same truth that every American and Canadian and British and French leader has spoken for decades — but he did it more truthfully, and with less diplomatic fibbing.

Tonight I'll read it to you (complete with his exclamation points...)

Anyone who says Trump is coarsening the world with this kind of diplomacy should answer what exactly they’d like the west to do about bad behaviour of dictatorships towards their own citizens — and they can start by asking about China, too.

And maybe they can write their answer on their Chinese-made smartphone or their Chinese-made laptop computer.

I’m for peace and freedom, and civil rights, and I hate the Saudis. But I hate the Iran and ISIS alternatives more. And this Jamal Khashoggi?

Yeah, it’s sad, but he’s not high up on my list of the world’s victims...

NEXT: We started a new campaign at ProtestAirbnb.com, after the company banned listings in "disputed territories" in the West Bank — but only properties owned by Jews!

Tonight, Joel Pollak of Breitbart.com joins me to talk about this disturbing Airbnb policy, and to debunk the myths surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

FINALLY: Your messages to me!

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commented 2018-11-23 02:16:25 -0500
Jamal Khashoggi was a Muslim Brotherhood member, a group calling for the overthrown of the Saudi monarchy. He was a Saudi citizen and, once on the territory of Saudi Arabia, he was subject to the immediate laws of the country. If the king ordered his execution, that becomes a Saudi internal matter.

Saudi Arabia has, over the past ten years, executed an average of 100 persons a year. Not a word of complaint in most cases. BTW, most were foreigners.

Iran, over the past 10 years, has publicly executed an average of 300 people annually that Iran admits; human rights groups put the average closer to 650 people a year. Gays are hung from construction cranes, many of which were purchased only for this purpose. No worldwide outrage.

As for Airbnb, it has no problem with Turkey occupied Cyprus and the displaced native Greek Cypriots, or the Armenian genocide and displacement by Turkey. How do you spell “hypocrite”? A I R B N B.
commented 2018-11-22 19:01:31 -0500
Breaking News. Off Topic.
President Trump has ordered the use of lethal force to stop Migrants at Mexican Boarders.
commented 2018-11-22 18:54:47 -0500
It caused quite a traffic jam when thirty hearses showed up at the Saudi Embassy looking for their piece of the action.
commented 2018-11-22 12:53:13 -0500
- Funny how much the usual leftists care about this Khashoggi murder. We didn’t see any of this outrage from them after the Benghazi incident. They care deeply about some journalist-terrorist that gets murdered in some internal power struggle but could care less about their own people being left to die. I never take moral outrage from the left very seriously because it’s generally as fake as they are.

- I have never used Airbnb in the past & I never will in the future. I’m sick of this corporate censorship style of business. Petition signed & shared.
commented 2018-11-22 12:30:13 -0500
Someone should tell Justin that Muslim Brotherhood – bad.
commented 2018-11-22 12:17:34 -0500
Muslim brotherhood are the ones that started the word islamaphobia
He’s dead don’t care at all one less of them
commented 2018-11-22 06:36:14 -0500
John Galt,
It would have been better to visit Khaghossi & Pocahontas in prision & layed out all the evidence before they made a plea to test their loyalty to the USA & Saudi Arabia before they committed to fighting for their innocence. If they in fact are.
You said it was not about surrender as long as your moral judgement is true? In Russia, China, Iran & Saudi Arabia you get arrested for dissent even if it honourable.
In the USA, that RARELY happens unless you are an outright communist that’s armed.
I wish honourable dissenters were armed because facists are loyal to no one but themselves. I don’t think its a conspiracy theory about the Saudis.
One of the worst things I have ever seen was a leading pundit on twitter go after Raif’s wife for wanting democracy in Saudi Arabia. Said women WANTED the burka. Tarek Fatah told the bleep off. Raif’s wife supports Bernier. I’d be dead rather than sink down to that level of insanity by supporting Saudi Arabia for greed. Btw, I love Bernier’s followers. Salt if the Earth but I know what I said about insurgency and that doesn’t change unless Bernier does. That’s disloyal to the spirit & freedom of the west. Also, that pundit does not deserve jail or to be armed at all.
If you trust someone, you’ll let them be honest to help you. At least the Saudis reformed themselves under the pressure of the Muslim Brotherhood because so many were starving in the streets. And the USA did bail them out by enriching their private sector with jobs. Even if its just for the men who feed their families.
There is another way and maybe an arms deal is the solution. In Trump I trust.
commented 2018-11-22 06:09:14 -0500
Alberta Maga.
Nine out of eleven terrorists were Saudis. Osama bid Ladin was strongly connected to Saudi Royalty.
And personally, I think since JT has Sunni ways, who knows!!
commented 2018-11-22 03:02:56 -0500
Karen Macleod some Canadians went to fight for ISIS , does not mean Canada is bad.
commented 2018-11-22 03:02:03 -0500
Karen Macleod 911 was not a Saudi plot, some hijackers were born there, does not make them state agents.
commented 2018-11-22 02:59:25 -0500
Don’t give a rats ass.
commented 2018-11-22 00:55:15 -0500
" It is disappointing to see the conservatives engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories …." – Justin Trudeau
commented 2018-11-22 00:14:03 -0500
Wait, under diplomatic law, wasn’t that journalist supposed to get a five minute trial then be beheaded in the Saudis embassy? Doesn’t the diplomatic mission include being exempt from the host countries laws but not above your own countries law?

Wow, I didn’t know the mafia was a diplomatic mission! sarcasm
commented 2018-11-21 23:58:11 -0500
Liza Rosie,
FYI, I was totally being sarcastic about that. Once you open the borders like that, its down the rabbit hole of corruption. The only solution is to isolate the border jumpers or put them on a registry of ID if the want to get anywhere in the country.
As for accepting the UN’s vetting? No frigging way but I fail to see how Conservatives can back paddle the litigation risks opened up to them by the Liberals. Same old cycle, The Liberals corrupt, the Conservatives pay the bills afterwords. Awful pendulum.
commented 2018-11-21 23:48:39 -0500
Liza Rosie,
I’m pretty sure the only way any gov’t can fix the immigration system now is to legalize the problems.
No passport? No problem. They can submit to DNA testing for the RCMP!
commented 2018-11-21 23:43:41 -0500
John Galt.
Yes, I was wrong abput Pocahontas. So bleeping wrong. I wish the truth was easier to swallow. Damn those DNA tests revealing the truth.
In any event, I’m not scared no matter anyone’s age or philosophical compas says. Including from Saudi Arabia, the USA or from UAE… That arrested a transgender ladt year.
Here is the link to Hedges arrest. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/21/british-academic-matthew-hedges-accused-of-spying-jailed-for-life-in-uae I think perhaps Hedges was what I would call an open spy. Or an honest intellectual seeking the truth. His University paid him, not the gov’t.
commented 2018-11-21 23:39:11 -0500
…and those Syrians Trudeau brought in> are not the secular ones, and they won’t go back to Syria unless the Saudis help the west oust Assad and insert a Sharia state. Convoluted or what. In the mean time Justin is going to do his best to turn Canada into one for their convenience. Justin would give Khashoggi Canadian citizenship if he were still alive.
commented 2018-11-21 23:38:39 -0500
Justin has never seen of a Muslim Brotherhood member that he didn’t want to bring here, pay, put in a position of power or defend abroad, Canadian born or no. He has never met a terrorist he didn’t love. Khashoggi is not our business. Justin is only virtue signalling, and its the opposite of Trumps stance. “The Saudis aren’t corrupt they are VERY corrupt”, is right. Aligning with the Saudis is like siding with the devil to keep lucifer in check. Having said that, I get the logic, but its still gross. Hasn’t secular Syria always been fighting off the Saudi-sponsored Wahhabi school of Islam which persecutes religious minorities there, for good reason? I wish we could just leave them alone. Look at Damascus. Its more friendly and westernized than Toronto is these days. I get that Syria is important, location wise as a route for resources, as well as a place to keep Iran out of (proximity to Israel and all) but helping to turn what was a mostly secular country into an Islamic Sharia state, doesn’t seem like a very good idea to me. How anyone can actually believe the official narrative on Assad is beyond me. I don’t even think Trump believes it. When he first got in as Pres, he said he was getting out of Syria. ‘They’ changed his mind on that pretty quick. But I guess the lies are a big part of making such a narrative work. I hate it.
commented 2018-11-21 23:27:33 -0500
Khashoggi holding weapons of war beside terrorists in the 80s and writing pro Muslim Brotherhood articles with a baseball hat and a smile recently makes him a zero to me. His murder is a crime and wrong, but his death feels like Kharma to me and changing the necessary evil of dealing with the Saudis because of it would be fake playing tough rather than being pragmatic.
Good on Trump for being honest about it.
commented 2018-11-21 23:12:23 -0500
Keith Barens,

I believe it was the UAE, not Saudi Arabia, that just imprisoned a Brit on the basis of a five minute trial without proper legal representation for the defendant. Ironically, the British government is apparently somewhat upset about it. I say ironically because what was just done to this person is exactly what was done to Tommy Robinson by the British authorities. Time for them to look at themselves as they are looking at the UAE.
commented 2018-11-21 23:08:59 -0500
Could care less about Kashoggi, more worried about the 500 million tax dollars Justin Castro is giving to his pet media rats. Need you more than ever Ezra, you have my support. Good show, PPC 2019!
commented 2018-11-21 22:59:26 -0500
Karen: It was never about surrender….you cannot go wrong if you stay the course and as long as your philosophical and moral compass are true…..
I just know that you should never underestimate old age and treachery….(they generally overcome youth and enthusiasm….) but remember,….they can come in chameleon-like forms…..and that have their own agenda and many of them are not at the short end of the age scale….
ps…….You were still wrong about Pocahontas …….
commented 2018-11-21 22:35:40 -0500
John Galt, Peter Babich,
I surrender. I’ve throughly been schooled here. My fanny is red and I am swallowing my pride & listening to the advice of my elders.
God help the trolls. They’re all anybody has.
Thanks guys.
commented 2018-11-21 22:32:28 -0500
Karen: Trolls are ALWAYS nasty people.There are some on this site.It is their mission in life….because they have no life.If you hate and despise yourself,how could you embrace anything worthwhile??
However,they become useful tools for those who would exploit them…..be it online….or in “real life”. It has always been so…except now they are referred to as trolls.
commented 2018-11-21 22:19:15 -0500
Thank you Peter Babich.
Love is an action and not a feeling. You are right. Its actually a sin not to accept charity because you’re rejecting the fruits of the spirit. Its a direct insult to God and I will never forget the octogenarian nun that scared the shit out of me for not believing it.
commented 2018-11-21 22:16:04 -0500
John Galt,
In any event, I am ETERNALLY grateful to the USA for employeing Saudis and changing their culture through the private sector. Employement, not welfare. Jobs, not mobs. J-O-B-S that don’t require twitter. Jesus, have you spoken to Saudi trolls? Arrogant, manipulative nasty people. I knew someone that thought they’d take in the local culture and witness an execution. Total pstd. Nobody around them batted an eye. Dystopian level of evil for sure.
commented 2018-11-21 22:11:38 -0500
Karen. God love you. But, faith without works is dead. Love is an action verb. Jesus said Love as I love you. He meant Tell the Truth
commented 2018-11-21 22:06:26 -0500
John Galt,
I guess I’m not built for the world’s office. The price if tea in China depends on Russia and Iran and the slave auction needs a revolt.
Those poor people. Trafficed to Libya for “freedom by boat” just to be sold once they are there.
Toxic work environment politics is. It should be liberating.
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