January 20, 2017

Fighting back against establishment media outside DC “DeploraBall”

Lauren SouthernRebel Commentator
 
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Karan said, " I present my opinions which, unlike yours, …"

How would you know? Do you know me, sir?

I refuse to label an entire group of people as evil. Simple as that.
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commented 2017-01-22 21:12:05 -0500
It’d be interesting to hear the self-described liberals justify the entrance of up to 5% radical Muslims in an un-vettable hoard leaving “Syria”. Radical Liberalism and Radical Islam share Taqyia as well as a redundant qualifier.
commented 2017-01-22 14:36:55 -0500
“Be sure to keep your distance because many of us have a very short fuse " ….Voice of puppeteer Jeff Dunham as “Achmed the Dead Terrorist”.
commented 2017-01-22 13:00:46 -0500
At the end when the bearded dude tries to talk about different cultures trying to explain themselves, therein lies the problem with Islam. Islam does not try to explain nor align their culture. It simply becomes conquest and violence for them to impose their wills on everyone else!
commented 2017-01-21 12:34:38 -0500
Indonesia used to be the poster child as the most civilized Muslim Country. In the last 2 years, they started catching up with their other hell-holes by burning down Catholic Churches and killing innocent people.
commented 2017-01-21 02:13:36 -0500
But you do not understand Sharia law, it is the implementation of ideology. Ummm , yeah we do understand that buddy. It should not be implemented and Indonesia is a shithole as well.
commented 2017-01-21 02:10:59 -0500
Lauren should have asked these 2 if their feelings extended to Jews and Israel , i bet they would have folded like dirty shirts.
commented 2017-01-20 23:26:48 -0500
Sorry Peter, Liza won that one hands down, but she was wrong in suggesting the two men were not good debaters, as the unlikable guy had Lauren tongue tied.
commented 2017-01-20 19:02:01 -0500
I never go down the relativism rabbit hole arguing with someone who thinks Islam is comparable to Christianity, (not you Peter). My argument is simple , why should we take you, Islam is not compatible with freedom.
commented 2017-01-20 17:01:48 -0500
“Why are we not focusing on Christian and Yazidis who are not killing each other, but being slaughtered by Muslim’s.”

Well, we certainly should be. I agree with that, and I am against Trudeau’s policies on immigration.

As for the rest of of your questions, I am at a loss for an easy solution.
commented 2017-01-20 16:48:33 -0500
..But Peter we are letting in thousands, and it may as well be billions if you consider our population. If a demographic is tipped the country is over. That is what Justin is doing. I am not prepared to accept that on the premise that we are saving the small or large number of Muslims who want to leave Islam in the dust where it belongs.
As for exactly how they could be assisted nearer to their own countries, that is a good question. Aside from food water , shelter and clothing why should it be our responsibility to facilitate those who wish to leave and how do we know they will? They can’t stop killing each other, which tribe is the one we should help? All tribes are problematic, there are no good guys. We should try to ease their suffering with the basics, and maybe some day they can return to their homes or make new ones. I don’t see how we can keep them from killing each other and I can’t see bringing that violence here.

Why are we not focusing on Christian and Yazidis who are not killing each other, but being slaughtered by Muslim’s. Why do all of the refugees we seem to be accepting own cell phones wear Nike’s and leave most of their women at home?

You can keep bringing them in there will be thousands more at the door wanting the same. Do you realize how many Muslim’s there are in the world? We cannot keep bringing them in. We will capsize.
commented 2017-01-20 16:15:58 -0500
Liza asked, “If you have watched this before, what part of it do you not understand?”

Yes, I have watched that before. And that is not what I am talking about.

That video is based upon the premise that we want to help all of those billions. I am only talking about helping those that truly want to renounce their Islamic faith and need to get away from the very real threat to their life.

Extremism, all or none, is not the way … in my opinion.
commented 2017-01-20 16:07:12 -0500
“There really is no choice. Canada is over if it keeps up this way. "

I completely agree with that. Trudeau’s “get as many over here as possible in as short a time as possible” is completely wrong.
commented 2017-01-20 16:05:04 -0500
“No Peter the easiest most effective and humanitarian thing to do would be to help them over there. The aid money we spend helping them here would go twice as far if we spent it on them insitu.”

How would you go about protecting someone who wants to renounce their Islamic faith from those would want to kill then while “insitu”?

For general aide, I agree and the money would go further, for sure.
commented 2017-01-20 16:00:52 -0500
No Peter the easiest most effective and humanitarian thing to do would be to help them over there. The aid money we spend helping them here would go twice as far if we spent it on them insitu. Why do we have to bring them all here it’s ridiculous. The ones who truly want to emigrate to Canada and live as a free Canadian should not exceed numbers for any other group as they now do, and with a full vetting for Canadian values. Wearing a burka or niqab you are probably not Canadian value material, same with this multiple wives and family member nonsense. If we continue to bring in the entire third world we will no longer be a country in very short order. There really is no choice. Canada is over if it keeps up this way.

Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs – NumbersUSA.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
If you have watched this before, what part of it do you not understand?
commented 2017-01-20 15:43:49 -0500
Karan said, " I present my opinions which, unlike yours, …"

How would you know? Do you know me, sir?

I refuse to label an entire group of people as evil. Simple as that.
commented 2017-01-20 15:41:48 -0500
Liza asked, “If Islam is the problem why shouldn’t we insist on disallowing its entry into western countries?”

As an absolute? i.e. no Muslims allowed at all? What about those that want to come to a free country so they can safely go apostate? It would be cruel to deny those people that opportunity.

But then you get into how to control the immigration process to filter out the Muslims who want to kill us or facilitate Sharia creep ( I think that is the term). And I do not have any easy answers for that. I do realize it is easier to just shut the borders to them entirely, but is it the compassionate thing to do for those truly seeking an escape from the Islamic hell into which they were born?

“but wouldn’t it make sense to let them figure out the reformation of Islam in Islamic countries”
“Wouldn’t it make sense to disallow any accommodation of Islam?”

Probably, but if we did that, what type of people would we be, to not help those who really need and desire help?

" If it were about helping it would be happening insitu. "

That does work best for providing the physical aide of food, water, & shelter, but not protection for an apostate seeking asylum from his/her enemies.

“I wish people would recognize danger when they are staring into the face of it. "

I couldn’t agree more.

“Put our hearts back in our chests and defend our freedom, families and country. "

Helping those who are fleeing a bad situation or even harm weighted against the inherent dangers in providing that help are not mutually exclusive goals. If caution and common sense measures are applied, both compassion for others and our safety and national integrity can be maintained, in my opinion.
commented 2017-01-20 15:27:23 -0500
PETER NETTERVILLE commented: “Karan, I think it is fairly safe to say that neither of us will convince the other.”

I am here not to convince anybody. I present my opinions which, unlike yours, are based on personal experience & historical facts.
commented 2017-01-20 15:20:06 -0500
Cathy, agreed that scarf covering in Catholic church argument is about as lame as it comes. I didn’t think either of those guys were good debaters at all. Same old relativism.

Maurice, exactly!
commented 2017-01-20 15:15:38 -0500
Peter it seems that we can agree that Islam is the problem. If Islam is the problem why shouldn’t we insist on disallowing its entry into western countries? It will never happen because of our ridiculous multicultural and religious laws ,but wouldn’t it make sense to let them figure out the reformation of Islam in Islamic countries, lest they ‘infect’ the west further? Also will never happen, but wouldn’t it make sense to allow entry to numbers equal to other faiths we bring in? Wouldn’t it make sense to disallow any accommodation of Islam? If it were about helping it would be happening insitu. It’s about flooding the west with medieval barbary, because of three or four different agendas and players. We are suckers ripe for the pillage. I wish people would recognise danger when they are staring into the face of it. Put our hearts back in our chests and defend our freedom, families and country. We have to come first or we will have no country. Justin is doing as stellar job enabling ignorance and false confidence, his fathers legacy. Big trouble ahead for Canada.
commented 2017-01-20 15:12:49 -0500
I found the muslim in this video to be smug, condescending, ignorant and most of all full of BS. Telling Lauren that most muslims are reformed blah blah blah. You should have asked the goat meat head about the massive rapes and violence all over Europe and England, and all the no go muslim zones, and the countless violent massive muslim protests, by all the passive “reformed” law abiding muslims that have invaded that part of the world. He would have just lied more anyway so never mind.
And that black guy was also full of BS. There is no covering up or call to be covered up anywhere in the world in everyday life of women by the catholic church. In the 1950’s and 60’s and before this was true for women to wear a hat or kerchief on their head in “church only”. The black guy was as much a catholic as I’m the richest person in the world.
The idiot liberal commie feminist wearing glasses with the microphone looked psychotic and semi retarded and like she wanted to stab Lauren.
Watch out for the demented islamofascists and liberals, especially when there’s more than one of them swarming around like an infestation of poisonous snakes. You can’t trust any of them.
commented 2017-01-20 14:57:45 -0500
Excellent point, Karan. The Muslims who fight against Islamic totalitarianism and stand up for western style liberal democracy, Like Tarek Fatah and the founder of the Clarion Project, and who both have a fatwa on their head, continue to call themselves Muslim while rejecting the teachings of Mohammad and the Qu’ran. This is completely bizarre to me. It would be like calling myself a Christian while rejecting Jesus and embracing Buddha.
commented 2017-01-20 14:36:15 -0500
Karan, I think it is fairly safe to say that neither of us will convince the other.
commented 2017-01-20 14:28:29 -0500
Karan said, "In other words they are cowards, mentally feeble thus susceptible to manipulation by fellow muslims & imams. "

It is quite the leap to call someone who fears for their life also mentally feeble, and rather rude.
commented 2017-01-20 14:25:47 -0500
Liza said, “Fair enough Peter. then they are apostates, not accepted followers of Islam. Even denying, or merely questioning, any “fundamental tenet or creed” of Islam makes you an Apostate.”

Yup. Absolutely true. But they may be silent apostates because to make themselves know may very well mean their death.

Liza said, “If ‘cultural’ Muslims wanted to join our western countries and truly be a part of them and share in our opportunities and freedoms, why do they insist on special accommodation for their ‘religion’ ?”

Not all of them do insist on special accommodation. Is it not possible that the ones that do insist are the ones who are following the Koran (and thereby do not really belong here – infiltrators) and the ones that do not request special accommodation also do not follow the Koran (and thereby are acceptable as citizens of Western society)? That does hold some logical sense, does it not?

Liza said, "I can only hope that all Muslims born into a Muslim family who now live in the west, become true apostates and renounce the theocracy of Islam and become a full contributing member of their chosen western country. "

Amen to that!

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@ Don Mancuso – “With all due respect sir, you’re wrong.”

You did not provide any counter argument to my comment. My argument had nothing to do with Judeo/Christian moral principles, but common sense. Logic.

Is it reasonable to expect that all who are called Muslims are all out to take over our society.
commented 2017-01-20 14:16:36 -0500
PETER NETTERVILLE commented: “Most do not have the means. And if they do, they will be marked for death, a Fatwa, I think.”

In other words they are cowards, mentally feeble thus susceptible to manipulation by fellow muslims & imams.
Don’t you think under influence they would support & facilitate fellow mohammedans who are active jihadis? Would you trust such a person with your life who’s vulnerable to manipulations??
commented 2017-01-20 14:06:09 -0500
Karan said, "Those muslims always have an option to leave islam; religion & culture both. "

Most do not have the means. And if they do, they will be marked for death, a Fatwa, I think.
commented 2017-01-20 13:51:59 -0500
Fair enough Peter. then they are apostates, not accepted followers of Islam. Even denying, or merely questioning, any “fundamental tenet or creed” of Islam makes you an Apostate. I didn’t make the rules. If ‘cultural’ Muslims wanted to join our western countries and truly be a part of them and share in our opportunities and freedoms, why do they insist on special accommodation for their ‘religion’ ? Why do they deny it is a theocracy? Aside from seeing with my own eyes, what happens to countries who let in Muslims under the premise of only a small fraction being radicals and read and learn about Islam, the more convinced I am that welcoming people who have first allegiance to Islam is a lethal mistake. If they really loved the west and wanted to join us, they would worship quietly and not push it in our faces, build huge Mosques, make demands or vocally prefer Sharia law.

Prayer rooms in Ontario public schools is going to be accommodated, they are actually debating whether or not the school board has any right to know the contents of the Arabic sermons.
A Muslim woman at the Ottawa town hall with Justin, actually requested for Muslims to be allowed a special recognised holiday for the festival of slaughter, Eid al-Adha. You can hear it in the vid here at the Rebel. The arrogance and sheer audacity is astounding.

Peter you probably know some ‘very nice’ Muslims. I know some very nice EX Muslims, and along with my search for the truth about Islam, have a different view from yours. I can only hope that all Muslims born into a Muslim family who now live in the west, become true apostates and renounce the theocracy of Islam and become a full contributing member of their chosen western country. You can’t have first allegiance to your host country if you expect political accommodation (under the guise of religious accommodation) for practices and beliefs which are the antithesis of our free and democratic society. It’s not reflective of one who wishes to integrate.
commented 2017-01-20 13:40:04 -0500
The sheer arrogance of repeatedly telling Lauren that he was “teaching” her and “helping” her, when in fact it was a straight up lecture. He also repeatedly interrupted Lauren while demanding that she shut up and listen while he was lecturing.

They both work for Slate, what else should we expect? And the Young Turks “correspondent” trying to insert herself into a debate that was already wrapping up was just hilarious. Like a fly to feces.

I’m also impressed that Laurenheld her ground for a long time in bare shoulders and no coat against he well bundled adversaries. Keep on rocking Lauren.
commented 2017-01-20 13:36:03 -0500
We’ve entered the era of NOBAMA NOBAMA
commented 2017-01-20 13:33:53 -0500
PETER NETTERVILLE;
With all due respect sir, you’re wrong.
Like so many Western people who have been raised on the Judeo/Christian moral principles inherent in our Western culture, you are mistakenly trying to apply those principles to Islam. That is wrong and it will eventually get yours and the rest of our collective throats cut by these unrepentant, bloodthirsty savages and their culture of violence, pain, filth and death.
You are approaching this from your heart, the good part of you, and your intent is correct, but, your information is faulty. All those Moslem savages you so kindly afford membership to in the human race only act that way now because of their low numbers, when that number increases their behavior, attitudes and actions change – then you get what’s happening in Europe! That kindly-seeming Moslem neighbour who lives down the street, when sharia law is imposed – legally or otherwise – he and his family won’t be so friendly anymore.
In essence we are our own worst enemy, our good Christian moral principles are going to get all our throats cut…Islam is the problem. Moslems – without exception – are the enemy! That is the grim reality…accept it or perish.