January 15, 2016

Legal gun owners in RCMP’s crosshairs -- with CBC's help

Brian LilleyArchive

“The Mounties always get their man” the old saying goes, and for the gun grabbers in the Mounties, their new man is Justin Trudeau.

During the election, the Liberals promised to give unelected, unaccountable police, not politicians, the power to determine which firearms are allowed for public use in Canada.

That made the Mounties happy because they don’t like civilians owning guns and seem to do all they can to thwart law abiding gun owners.

Their latest move, detailed in a glowing CBC story, is to make a list of guns that should be banned or reclassified.

They want to change the classification of certain semi-automatic firearms which they argue could be modified to become almost like an automatic rifle. Automatic rifles are already effectively banned for civilian use. I’ve fired them during military training. They’re fun but aren’t what hunters and target shooters use.

It’s also illegal to convert a semi-automatic to an automatic in Canada. Do that and you’ll go to jail.

This is a solution in search of a problem.

That may be why the CBC report references cases that happened nearly 25 years apart, the first from nearly 25 years ago.

The Mounties claim (and CBC dutifully reports) that the concern over rifles being altered is due to new technology, a new style of gun and the flood of para-military like weapons coming into Canada but I provide some of the details CBC neglects to report that help show this isn’t about public safety, but is about power and is just a gun grab by the Mounties.

They’re targeting these popular rifles in time for their new political masters to hand power over to them so can get vaguely defined assault weapons off our streets.

Instead of dealing with criminals and gangsters who shoot each other with illegal guns, the Liberals and RCMP will do what’s easy; target law abiding gun owners while the media cheers and avoids asking tough questions.


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commented 2016-01-30 23:15:12 -0500
Liberty and freedom;
Freedom is when the bird finds the cage door open…
Liberty is when you annihilate the one who tries to cage you.
commented 2016-01-21 12:40:09 -0500
The NFA needs our support and we need theirs..!!!!
It is very inexpensive support at $37 a year for a membership to be represented by professional people.
commented 2016-01-19 11:56:13 -0500
Thanks Greg. I believe fiercely in our freedom. And that freedom comes with inherent risks, I would rather have freedom than live in a society locked down by the state. One only needs to look at the events in High River, AB to KNOW how much respect the state has for its citizens and their Constitutional rights.

I’ll be honest, I slept soundly for many, many years believing in our freedom and a government that generally speaking, had our best interests at heart.
However, the events at High River changed that. And, then finding out similar had happened 2 years earlier in Slave Lake, AB. These events sickened me and I had trouble digesting that grim reality. What made it doubly troubling was the lack of mainstream news coverage. I then began to smell the coffee. The mainstream media is in step with the government. No news investigations (except Sun News) just reporting whatever was spoon fed to them by the authorities.

There is no problem if there’s no news. The ensuing circus in the aftermath of the flood is a disgrace. Virtually no accountability and excuses all round about public safety this and EMA that. What a crock of crap. Our governments, on all levels, have all been very quiet on this issue. Cowards? Or elitists?
commented 2016-01-19 01:33:48 -0500
Great post Calvan… i am pro firearms ownership and there’s nothing… Absolutely nothing I could add to your statement to make it better..
People really need to wake up.
commented 2016-01-18 22:26:35 -0500
Unless ALL Canadians, not just gun owners, who value their freedom to own property and move freely through society without impediment…need to start paying attention.

Not tomorrow…today!

The U.S. while having some Constitutional protections for firearms ownership, are also in a huge fight to retain those rights. Though we no longer enjoy such protections, because successive Canadian governments for decades and decades and the Supreme Court have chosen to ignore the Constitutional freedoms afforded to us through British Common Law which “was” the backbone of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

We must collectively begin to bring pressure on government to, if not to restore our heritage of freedom then to show them that further infringement of any shape or form will not be tolerated.

The RCMP/CFP is a bureaucratic body…unelected. These individuals, so-called experts need to understand that they answer to the people through our elected representatives. No “regulation or rule” (read law) should be enacted except through an act of Parliament. This becomes an issue of tremendous importance when the whims of a bureaucrat can land an otherwise law abiding citizen in court and possibly jail for violating the dictates of an unelected body. This is not democracy, this is not freedom. This is a travesty.

“Gun control” has very little to do with public safety. The numbers worldwide bear this out time and again. The only argument for gun control that has any validity at all…is just the mass proliferation of firearms. The more guns, the more opportunity for criminals to get their hands on them somehow. However, to penalize, impede and prevent law abiding citizens from owning them does not change the fact that the majority of firearms used in criminal acts or enterprise are procured from the black market and not your gun safe or mine.

Make no mistake, the Canadian government and bureaucracy is not alone. There are similar moves afoot south of the line and in Western Europe. There is a UN Civilian Disarmament movement and its gaining traction with those in power worldwide. Why? Because it is far easier to rule and control a disarmed populace. It may sound far fetched and alarmist…so be it. What does the brainwashed and jackbooted drone fear? Yes, that’s right…nothing. Because the minions have been disarmed.

Unless we speak up now and start excersizing our democratic rights and process by writing letters to our MP’s and supporting Canadian organizations (CSSA/NFA) that voice your concerns to Ottawa. All of us need to get our heads out of the sand and start speaking up. When the civilian guns are gone…those who didn’t speak up will certainly wish they had.

Freedom is hard fought. Have we not learned anything? Are we so thoughtless and narcissistic that we think nothing of all those who have given their lives in defence of our freedom? What a shame. To be so cavalier with the blood sacrifice of our forefathers. Sickens me.
commented 2016-01-18 20:57:50 -0500
Check out this video about petition e-111 before parliament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3lNPT4kNxA
The actual petition is here: https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-111
It requests that the AR-15 be reclassified as a non-restricted firearm.
So far it has over 16,000 signatures.
If you’re in Quebec, another petition you should check out is here: https://www.assnat.qc.ca/en/exprimez-votre-opinion/petition/Petition-5715/index.html
It is to prevent a Quebec long gun registry.
commented 2016-01-18 18:30:50 -0500
“we the people are the ultimate authority in a free country”
Any deviation from common law or commonsense must go through us as a referendum.
commented 2016-01-18 16:38:12 -0500
If we have the police making the laws, is that not a police state? The RCMP are in for a rude awakening if the try to ban some guns. Many of those gun owners will not comply and will simply hide their guns. The RCMP will then lose the support of many Canadians. The RCMP may try to re-classify these firearms to restricted so that they will have to be registered. Again, there will be resistance and non compliance by many. And of course the criminal element will just laugh.
Fully automatic firearms require multiple big magazines and lots of ammunition because they go through it quickly. In the military, there has to be additional support for carrying all of this heavy ammo. If they think that one individual with a fully automatic rifle is going to be carrying thousands of heavy rounds and heavy magazines, they better think again. It is not going to happen. And fully automatic rifle fire is not accurate and the shooter runs out of ammo quickly.
I think the ulterior motive here is to ban all semi-automatic rifles and the first step here is to claim that some can be converted to fully automatic because fully automatic rifles are already banned. After they get rid of those, then they will come up with some other kind of reasoning to ban the rest. Then once all the semi-auto`s are gone, they will go after any repeating rifle, such as bolt actions and lever actions and pump actions. Finally, we will be down to single shots with no magazines and eventually they will claim those are too dangerous as well. Canadians may then be be allowed to use muzzle loading flintlocks but eventually those too will be outlawed. Disarming the people by increments, death by a thousand cuts.
Give them an inch and they take a mile.
It is disturbing that the RCMP ,who are supposed to be honest and forthright, are being dishonest and are resorting to deception to get their way. The lot of them should be fired.
We the people are the ultimate authority, not the police or the military. We the people allow the police and the military to have guns and other weapons and we the people can take them from the police and the military if we want, at any time. We the people are the boss of the police and of the military and the politicians. We the people cannot and should not be disarmed by these politicians and these police and these soldiers who we hire. We must never forget this and we must never allow tyrants to run this country.
commented 2016-01-18 12:01:59 -0500
I notice only one pathetic troll showed up in this thread to defend government/police bullying of a peaceful minority group – It doesn’t register with these useful idiots that if the state can, without just cause, intimidate and steal from one minority group (particularly ones which have been demonized out of political favor by state propaganda) then NO minority group or individual is safe. The lesson of 3000 years of human history is that once allowed to feast on one person, despotism is never satisfied.

However this basic universal truth is lost on a generation which have been indoctrinated by the state to offer up their own welfare and survival to an omnipotent, self-serving leviathan state. So it’s not surprising to see the brainwashed inmates of an authoritarian dystopia slavishly worship their jailers – Orwell wrote a book about it (sometimes I think social engineers use “1984” as a planning manual). I have no interest and no respect for people who haven’t the cognition, self-respect or personal fortitude to care about their own freedom and self-interest. People who are so craven, or submissive to a despotic control system that they readily render up their basic right to survive are, to say the least, unworthy to comment on the actions and attitudes of more stoic and independent minded people who value their freedom and a bully-proof existence to care about the orchestrated subjugation of their countrymen to a venal authoritarianism.

In other words, slaves have nothing of value to offer those who fight for their freedom. The civil disarmament (AKA Gun Control) agenda is a litmus test to define the forces which have battled for men’s souls for millennia – it isn’t about left vs right, it’s about despotism vs freedom – state empowerment vs civil empowerment, the mob vs the individual, the controller vs the controlled, the criminal vs the victim. Only those in either deep delusion or deep denial can’t see that civil arms prohibition and the denial of the basic right to lawful justified armed self defense/survival is the aim of statist “gun control” – it’s about control not guns, and those who can’t see this are standing on the wrong side of history.
commented 2016-01-17 22:25:39 -0500
Yes Michael girly mann … A crime is a crime… And the crime your mother made was breast-feeding you till you were 19 or 20 years old..
:-) :-) :-)
commented 2016-01-17 22:22:52 -0500
Michael girly mann You are still such a funny little monkey… :-) :-)
You haven’t yet learned how to read and extrapolate information or garner what the writer was stating. so be a good little monkey tidy up your room and go play a grinder on the corner somewhere for nickels..
:-) :-)
commented 2016-01-17 20:38:55 -0500
If I thought for one moment that surrendering my firearms to the state would end the violence in the world….or even the violence I could potentially encounter in my relatively peaceful corner of the world…I would do so in a heartbeat and with no hesitation….

But after more than a quarter century of working for the state….I have no faith whatsoever that they would get it right.

Would I take the law into my own hands?….Leaving it in the hands of those I am aquainted with who graduated from law school does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Would I trust the police….or the state…to represent and defend my person…my property….my interests….with the focused zeal that I would?…….short and simple…..no.
commented 2016-01-17 20:08:38 -0500
If a person wants a machine gun, plans can be found online. The Sten is quite simple actually not hard to make. Just saying. If a criminal wants one it won’t be hard to make one. There are backyard factories around the world and corrupt government bureaucrats willing to sell something out of their inventories. Where there is a criminal there is way. Jeremiah 17:9
commented 2016-01-17 17:08:08 -0500
So I did some research. Since I live in Manitoba I compared our province with North Dakota next door.
Murder rate in ND is 2.6/100,000
Murder rate in MB is 4.1/100,000

No permits or registration of handguns or owners is required in ND
MB has the full compliment of Canadian paper tigers.

North Dakota has 38,898 Concealed Carry Permits.
Manitoba probably has no Concealed Carry Permits.

In ND it is legal to own machine-guns. Couldn’t find numbers on how many.
In MB there are very few machine-gun permits. Those that exist were grandfathered in from years ago. No new ones are ever issued.

It appears that something needs to be done about these Canadian gun laws if we want to be a safer nation.
commented 2016-01-17 16:58:20 -0500
Honest to GAWD, I’m sorry to go off topic here, but it is CBC-related, which I suppose is never off-topic for Brian:

But I was just over at http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-law-rights-1.3402678
and I had to get something off my chest. It’s regarding the CBC’s “analysis” of the Saudi’s “harsh” (ie. should read brutal) system of justice (what justice), and I was about to comment on their prominent photo of George W. Bush laughing it up with their King, to remind them of how Obama “bowed” to the same King on his own visit over there.

Typical anti-conservative slant to their article, right?

But, you guessed it: The CBC has disabled the commenting.

That place is getting worse and worse and worse. While it keeps taking more and more and more of our taxes.
commented 2016-01-17 16:32:46 -0500
Michael Mann. Show me one gun, just one, that marched itself out of the cabinet and went out and shot someone. Gordo Steeles favourite was that High River was the same as the Slave Lake fire, that the weapons were seized because of fire; and fire would set off ammunition, but the flood waters in High River, well, they could set off weapons as well, somehow. Sound familiar?
commented 2016-01-17 15:43:08 -0500
Randall Jorundson said: “How many Muslims hold legal licences to own firearms in Canada? The government tracks everything else. Has the RCMP given out licences to Muslims. Will our Liberal government arm the religiuos cult of Islam? Outside of attacking law abiding citizens is the Liberal government keeping Muslims from acquiring weapons? Only the religion of Muslims call for the murder of non believer.” It would be equally as interesting to know how many Canadian mosques are weapons’ storehouses as has been discovered in France?!
commented 2016-01-17 15:14:45 -0500

Crime is crime. It doesn’t make it more or less important if the skin or a murderer is brown or white.
commented 2016-01-17 13:38:53 -0500
“Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms.”

Reading the posts on here seem to show a resistance to the “Gun Control” movement to restrict the law abiding citizen from owning legal guns. Strange how the Government seems bent on creating criminals out of “Law Abiding” citizens, but their so called " Gun Controls " foisted upon us for our “Protection” seem to endanger us more than protect us. What could their real Agenda be? It seems to be something bigger than just protecting us from ourselves. Could it be they are protecting themselves from us, like all Pirates would want to do as they LOOT their victims?
commented 2016-01-17 13:27:45 -0500
I think their should be a “like button” and a reply button to this comment section!
commented 2016-01-17 13:24:36 -0500
control guns you control the people control the food and you own them! Bill 6 anyone
commented 2016-01-17 13:13:21 -0500
High River was proof that the RCMP accessed the gun registry and seized guns illegally as an experiment. Who gave the order, we will never know. My gun has never walked out of the house and killed anyone. There is no reason whatsoever for the RCMP to be dictating/making law on what guns should be taken.
commented 2016-01-17 12:16:03 -0500
“To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
George Mason
commented 2016-01-17 12:10:34 -0500
Marc Lepine gave our authorities the excuse they wanted / needed to engage in gun control after massacring many women at their workplace in Quebec.

Marc Lepine was born Gamil Gharbi to an Algerian father and a French-Canadian mother.
It is a very interesting story of Gamil’s upbringing. His father was Muslim but apparently not practicing. He was a violent unstable man… he was jealous and possessive, he beat his wife regularly and constantly belittled her in front of the children. Even though his father was a nonpracticing Islamic Muslim the philosophies that are taught in the Koran were very apparent and influential beyond our understanding as a western civilization.. His father hated women and beat her when she didn’t behave (which could’ve been anything from leaving a light switch on or not doing exactly as she’s told at any minute in time) and taught his son to hate women. The Islamic religion is far more than a religion… It is a generationally ingrained philosophy of how to act, think and feel. Even though his father was a non-practicing Muslim it’s like saying that most of us are Christian but we don’t go to church. But our Christian values still hold true as do the Muslim values even though they don’t go to mosque. Muslim men are taught to hate anything that is not of Islam to conquer and destroy it. I think that the Western leaders still don’t understand (or maybe they do and this is what they want ) that these people do not share any of our Christian values and as they bring them into the country in massive relocation policies that the hatred for us by these people will only grow as their segment of the population does until it is beyond the control of our authorities. We now are in the fight of our lives for our lives and our way of life.
Good luck to all and God bless
commented 2016-01-17 10:44:19 -0500
Power hungry liberals and even worse power hungry unelected unaccountable police making laws, History AND HIGH RIVER HAS SHOWN WHAT HAPPENS. Both seem terrified of normal Canadians yet continue to allow criminals a light slap on the wrist. They know who they are, and where the gangs are yet do nothing to stop them. Yet when a citizen has to take matters into there own hands they bring the full force of punishment to bear on that person. Seems they are scared of the gangs and criminals , so as usual they go after the regular people who have done nothing wrong.High river has been a huge coverup, I live very close to the town people still have no answer and they wont get one.UNELECTED AND UNACCOUNTABLE, WHERE DID THEY TRANSFER THE POLICE CHIEF TO ?? WHERE DID THEY SEND HER, why no answers ? Because THEY DO NOT CARE WHAT THE PEOPLE THINK AND IT WILL BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG FOR EVER. It was a shopping spree to see if the registry was accurate, you know the one they were supposed to destroy that one. Why go back to the same place three times ? they were looking for guns not people who needed help. I know people who did not leave and watched them go into houses two and three times searching for guns, yet they still continue TO LIE ABOUT IT. Not much trust in them now and it will take a decade if ever to gain it back, I am all for kicking them out of alberta.
commented 2016-01-17 10:43:54 -0500
How many Muslims hold legal licences to own firearms in Canada? The government tracks everything else. Has the RCMP given out licences to Muslims. Will our Liberal government arm the religiuos cult of Islam? Outside of attacking law abiding citizens is the Liberal government keeping Muslims from acquiring weapons? Only the religion of Muslims call for the murder of non believer. Justin’s sharia police has no legal authority in Canada. Cultural police of sharia has no place in Canada. Sharia culture police is the opposite of multi culturism as it has no tolerance towards any culture that does not conform to their (Muslim) faith. Too bad our Liberal government isn’t mature enough to talk about the facts.
commented 2016-01-17 10:34:47 -0500
Guns don’t kill people, defunded necessary procedures in public healthcare does. Denial of necessary medical treatments and medical misadventure has killed more Canadians than guns by a tremendous margin.

It is also of interest to note that there has never been a civilian owned rifle converted to full auto ever used in any crime in Canadian history – this police pretext of impending danger from this is unfounded and illusory. It’s a big fib people!

An effective working gun control system is 95% willing compliance and 5% enforcement. No police force can run a gun control regime which is not supported by those who it effects – this unnecessary and vexatious move to diminish the property of law abiding licenced firearms owners will not have wide acceptance.

After High River the credibility of the RCMP as independent unbiased protectors of the public will for ever be tarnished. It seems RCMP brass wish to further deplete their public credulity by being the instruments of partisan political policy and being constitutionally compromised players in the law making function.
commented 2016-01-17 10:07:33 -0500
Regardless of the plethora of reasons the RCMP and the Liberal government present for taking away guns, the real reason for disarming the people is to make it easier to quell any possible uprising when they decide to destroy democracy and assume power permanently. And it will be a left wing government that will do that … when that time arrives. I don’t care if that sounds paranoid. I look at history as my guide.
commented 2016-01-17 09:57:43 -0500
After high river I really have trouble accepting anything the RCMP say is for the good of the public, They had the registry and used it, then lied lied and lied some more no other way to put it.Nothing good will come from them getting more and more power over our lives.
commented 2016-01-17 04:31:34 -0500
Mary D.. I’m with you… I no longer respect the moral authority of the RCMP to be our federal police, as I did in my growing up years… Until they come clean on the High River gun grab that will continue to be my stance…