May 14, 2019

Liberal subsidies for electric vehicles challenged by internal report

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

A government agency has debunked the practicality of the Liberal’s subsidy program for electric cars.

In the Liberal's latest budget, Finance Minister Bill Morneau announced a 300 million dollar electric and hybrid-electric vehicle “incentive program” to encourage consumers to make the shift to plug-in cars and towards a 100% zero-emission Canadian automobile market by 2040.

In reality, middle-class Canadians are subsidizing the lifestyle choices of rich environmentalists by doling out a $5,000 subsidy on cars up to $55,000.

But a new report, written by a Canadian military research agency and obtained by the investigators at Blacklock's Reporter, unravels the efficacy of the Liberal’s handout scheme, pointing to the unreliability and complete impracticality of electric cars in our cold Canadian climate.

“The purchase of hybrid vehicles would be difficult to justify on cost alone,” said the agency’s report Feasibility Of Hybrid Diesel-Electric Powertrains For Light Tactical Vehicles: “It is not clear the fuel savings would compensate for the increased up-front costs over the lifespan of the vehicle.”

“The issue of reduced battery capacity at low temperatures is well known,” wrote researchers. “To make this problem worse, unlike lead-acid, lithium-ion batteries have problems charging below zero degrees Celsius.”

Like windmills, electric cars need a fossil fueled back up plan.

Despite having this research at their disposal, the Liberals went on to throw nearly a third of a billion dollars in taxpayer cash at a demographic that doesn’t need the help to buy cars that are only reliable half the year.

And of this was done to us in a budget ironically named “Investing in the Middle Class”

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commented 2019-05-16 11:20:52 -0400
DALE WARREN commented 21 hours ago
Derek . . . the pollution created in the manufacture & delivery of the battery alone is equivalent to driving a gas powered car 10s of thousands of miles. Ever see the devastation in China where rare earths are mined & refined? "

The commonly circulated ‘sludge pond" picture isn’t actually a rare-earth mine. They actually resemble the standard hard-rock open pits, commonly seen in Canada as well (e.g. the diamond mines, or the copper mines in the US).

I think the Benz and VW platforms plan to use asyncrhonous induction motors? Those don’t need rare-earth (neodymium) for their stators. Tesla etc use them because it saves a few pounds of weight, but they’re a lot more expensive to build and they’re looking for savings to bring down the cost of the mass-market EVs, I’m guessing the performance electrics will continue to use neodymium-alloy permanent magnets, but the “four cylinder”-equivalent base models mostly the far cheaper induction motors that don’t have rare-earths within.

We actually have substantial rare-earth resources in North America, and obviously with better environmental regulations that takes away most of the criticism.
commented 2019-05-15 17:11:41 -0400
Derek Williams your car was heavily subsidized before you purchased it, Tesla has been granted massive amounts of public money to develop their cars.
commented 2019-05-15 14:29:28 -0400
@ Andrew “the uninformed” Stephenson . . .

“If they keep at it, Germany’s greatest export will be their economy.”
Having wasted billions of euros on renewable energies, saddling consumers with ultrahigh power prices, and shutting down nuclear power plants, Germany has decided to shut down its coal power plants by the year 2038 and rely primarily on renewable energy. 1
The Wall Street Journal has called this the world’s dumbest energy policy. “Dumb environmental policies are routine across Europe—see Emmanuel Macron’s riot-inducing fuel tax in France—but even by that standard Germany’s new plan to abandon coal is notable. Having wasted uncountable billions of euros on renewables and inflicted some of Europe’s highest energy prices on German households and businesses, now Berlin is promising to kill the one reliable power source Germany has left.”3
Today the German energy policy (Energiewende) finds itself stalled and floundering. Germany’s carbon emissions have stagnated at roughly their 2009 level. The country remains Europe’s largest producer and burner of coal. Moreover, emissions in the transportation sector have shot up by 20 percent since 1995 and are rising with no end in sight, experts say. German consumers have seen their electricity bills soar since 2000, in part because of the renewable energy surcharge. If Germany continues on its present course, its carbon emissions will fall by only 62 percent by 2050, well short of the government’s goal of slashing emissions up to 95 percent below 1990 levels by mid-century.5

While Germany tries to get out of coal, China approved nearly $6.7 billion worth of new coal mining projects in 2018 and production increased 5.2% to 3.55 billion tons. China is now responsible for 46% of global production and 51% of global demand.
commented 2019-05-15 14:19:33 -0400
Derek . . . the pollution created in the manufacture & delivery of the battery alone is equivalent to driving a gas powered car 10s of thousands of miles. Ever see the devastation in China where rare earths are mined & refined?

I can get in my Mustang and drive to Calgary in 9 hours . . . you can’t !
But hey . . . if you just use it as a city car I am sure it works just fine, but the cost is considerably more than a similarly equipped gas powered car . . . and the money saved will likely buy fuel for years !

I suspect our NDP socialists will likely try to incorporate a Mileage Tax in the near future . . .
commented 2019-05-15 11:01:33 -0400
As a Tesla owner living in the Vancouver area, the car suits my needs perfectly… fun to drive, lots of advanced features and I don’t have to pay for the electricity I “pump” into it as that is free thanks to Elon Musk. I did not get any subsidy whatsoever when I bought my car. In fact, I paid a luxury tax of $3K. The future down side is that I don’t contribute to any road maintenance that can be found incorporated into the price of gasoline. So as more electric cars/hybrid come on the road, the less fuel tax will be collected. But the government will get their tax money somehow… they will make me pay for my share of the road tax via how far I travel in a year, more matter where I drive it, in BC, ROC or the US. So that will be another thing to what for.
commented 2019-05-15 08:09:24 -0400
The carbon foot print to build the battery,s will never return the amount of energy used.
The batteries have a life span. Then they become toxic waste and difficult to recycle.
As they age capacity becomes less. The use of an electric car,s electric heater is harder on the batteries than an electric motor.
Batteries do not like a direct short such as an electric element.
Would like to see an electric car that can operate in real Canadian winter with half the range.
If you are near hydro electric dam grid great. However in most cases it is more expensive to run/heat with electricity. The electric plants are fired by coal or natural gas. That is way natural gas is always cheaper to heat your home.
commented 2019-05-15 00:34:12 -0400
KEITH BARNES commented 3 hours ago
The UK government has announced that it is going to stop funding Wind Turbines, stating that they are not reliable and break down to often.”

Unsubsidized cost of wind power is now about 4-5 cents per kwh. Although it’s true that many countries are ending subsidies, they are not abandoning wind power. It simply no longer needs subsidies to compete.
commented 2019-05-15 00:31:24 -0400
“Like windmills, electric cars need a fossil fueled back up plan.’

Or Hydro. We have that in Canada. They get along great.

55k is not a rich persons’ car. The average is a bit under 40k, 55 is a third higher.

Odd they don’t mention who this “study” was done by, but the temperature limitations were far more of a problem five years ago than now, when even a halved range is adequate for most purposes.
commented 2019-05-14 22:06:56 -0400
Everything those Liberals say is Orwellian new speak. Furthermore, they have little idea what a middle class person is like. I’ll never forget Trudeau’s non answer on the subject. What a clueless twat!
commented 2019-05-14 21:20:25 -0400
The UK government has announced that it is going to stop funding Wind Turbines, stating that they are not reliable and break down to often.
commented 2019-05-14 21:16:01 -0400
With nothing but electric cars on the road, all the Government would have to do is pull the plug on all the power stations to bring the country to a halt. Very handy if they are considering something drastic…Like Race Change.
commented 2019-05-14 20:38:19 -0400
“Like windmills, electric cars need a fossil fueled back-up plan”

Naw! One just uses the electric tree which grows next to the money tree.
commented 2019-05-14 20:04:41 -0400
Not only are we subsidizing the rich for these electric vehicles but we are also subsidizing solar panels. I don’t know about you but whenever I see solar panels on homes, these homes are worth $900,000 and up! My house is at most worth $300,000 – pretty much the average price of homes in my neighbourhood and I can’t afford to spend the $30,000 plus for solar panels. So why am I paying for someone who can likely afford to do it simply by the size of home they own. Either that or they’re in debt up to their ears. NOT FAIR! I will only ever own a fuel injected vehicle and will rely on NG to heat my home. At least I will ensure that they both will do what I need them to do.
commented 2019-05-14 18:43:49 -0400
The wind blew today. Must be a climate emergency.
commented 2019-05-14 18:19:15 -0400
The cold temperature alone is not just a big factor, you can’t leave an e-car sitting unused for any extended period, it can’t sit in the sun with the heat, therefore, you need a garage, then factor in after the lifespan of 8 years/100km the cost of replacing the battery up to $5500+, then there’s disposal, on and on and on. Plus, they recommend you have “2 CARS” if you’re planning on buying an electric car and one should be a real car.
commented 2019-05-14 18:09:20 -0400
Ironically, the mildest climate in Canada on South Vancouver Island, is where electric cars could operate year-round… Yet it seems most “locals” prefer pickup trucks, and with the “gnarliest” tires and biggest engine, the better…
commented 2019-05-14 17:16:20 -0400
Of course a climate emergency. This will be the excuse.