January 19, 2016

Liberals remain dismissive of giving Canadians final say on voting system changes

Brian LilleyArchive

Maryam Monsef, the Minister for Democratic Institutions continues to dismiss the idea that a fundamental change to our electoral system must be put to the people because, as she says, “the conversation” we’re going to have isn’t going to be about a “yes” or a “no”.

How many times and how loud do we have to say it to get through to the Liberals? You are welcome to have your “conversation” based on your view that a small percentage of Canadians gave you the go-ahead to explore options for changes to our voting system but that’s a far cry from giving you permission or the authority to proceed with any change without direct input from the people.

Changing how we vote is a constitutional change which requires direct input from the people in the form of a referendum or direct vote in order to have legitimacy.

The Liberals can have their exploratory committees to look into the question but once they have decided on a system that they think will be better, that option must be put to the people for a simple but clear, “yes” or “no” answer.

It seems that the Liberals aren’t very fond of people power despite their claims otherwise. If you agree, go to LetUsVote.ca now. Sign the petition and make sure to share it with others because apparently we need to speak loud and clear in order to be heard.


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commented 2016-01-20 02:07:20 -0500
I ask those who want proportional representation where it begins and ends? Does each seat have to be shared, and if not then why?
commented 2016-01-20 02:05:23 -0500
William i am sure Justin has had a few things go off in his face before LMAO!
commented 2016-01-19 22:58:31 -0500
@ Mac Cumming commented 3 hours ago
Rick- that is why the west will separate. We cannot tolerate a liberal party in the east to continually dictate to the west. Separation would give the west prosperity where the socialist east could live in squalor or change their political ideas.
You have no idea how much my entire family wish for this to happen – and not because we want the west gone – but because most are in the west and the rest – who are in Ontario – will be there in a heart beat – even if it means walking away from jobs and homes. The family has enough work in their business operations to employ all those in Ontario that want out of that rat hole.

This is a big family and not one of them would stay in a Canada run by people from kebec and the maritimes – the last election did it for all of us.

In fact all the maritimers employed by the Alberta family operations are gone – laid off – told to never return.

Bring on that separation!
commented 2016-01-19 22:56:57 -0500
I encourage people to also go to this link: https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Sign/e-48
This is a petition at the house of commons to be signed for exactly on the right to choose our electoral system.
cut and paste and post. I love “therebel’s” petition, but I believe this will be taken more seriously. I have signed both.
I have posted this petition in my FB for more people to know it exists… pass the word!!!!
It’s our government and we have to stand up for it.
commented 2016-01-19 22:33:13 -0500
@ Brian Lilley
You want to know a segment that I would bookmark ? You’ve been around, done the research ( I have limited time ), how about a 5 minute primer on the differences and expected results of first past vs proportional representation. You be da go to guy for that ! Appreciate it.
commented 2016-01-19 19:55:03 -0500
A National Referendum on this is the only answer and while we are at it we can have a referendum on the importation of untold numbers of Muslims in to Canada.
commented 2016-01-19 19:23:56 -0500
Rick- that is why the west will separate. We cannot tolerate a liberal party in the east to continually dictate to the west. Separation would give the west prosperity where the socialist east could live in squalor or change their political ideas.
commented 2016-01-19 19:13:29 -0500
Lieberals do not give a damn about Canadians, only money (ours) and power! This is not a complex issue as is being lied about. This is as simple as rigging future elections to guarantee indefinite Lieberal rule until they can ban elections altogether!
commented 2016-01-19 16:16:26 -0500
Henry Reardon said, " I have yet to hear any remotely convincing argument for why this couldn’t be done again in the matter of reforming the voting system. "

Because that was the Mulroney Conservative government. Conservatives are fundamentally more trustworthy that the Lieberal party.
commented 2016-01-19 16:09:08 -0500
Oh gee, could this end up in the SCOC?

Or better yet, US interests may just show up on Trudeau’s doorstep and tell him that this isn’t going to happen.
commented 2016-01-19 15:56:19 -0500
The west will separate and leave the liberal east in squalor. It is the only option if the west is to thrive.
commented 2016-01-19 15:50:53 -0500
Who says we can’t vote on a complicated issue? I still remember the Meech Lake Accords, which was a complex and multi-faceted agreement. The full text of the agreement was available for anyone to read and an “executive summary” was also distributed to every home. Canadians had a national referendum on that question and the matter got decided. That was just over 20 years ago. I have yet to hear any remotely convincing argument for why this couldn’t be done again in the matter of reforming the voting system.

One other point. While court challenges are an expensive proposition for an individual, they can be quite affordable for a group. The rise of crowd-funding in recent years makes it quite clear that raising money for a common objective is not very difficult any more. If fans of a film or TV show can crowd-fund a movie, then I see no reason why a court challenge to something in the political realm is impossible. If we can’t pressure the Liberals to put their final proposal to a democratic vote, we can start a crowd-funding campaign to raise money for a legal challenge. If thousands of people threw in, say, $10 each, I expect that would pay for some decent lawyers. I’m fine with going the petition route first but if that doesn’t work, let’s buy some legal expertise and fight them in court.
commented 2016-01-19 15:35:50 -0500
It will get passed by OIC……Status of Women did.
commented 2016-01-19 15:34:58 -0500
It will get passed by Order in Council.
commented 2016-01-19 15:08:37 -0500
The Liberal Party’s strategy for deceiving us into believing that we actually will have a say in their policy changes, especially their decision to change the voting system for their own benefit, really smells like the approach that the U.N. and other dictatorial organizations are using quite successfully around the world, especially to help implement the U.N.’s Agenda 21.
It’s called the Delphi Technique and was originally developed by the RAND Corporation as a Cold War mind control technique. An interesting and shocking reference to read is called “Behind the Green Mask: U.N. Agenda 21”, by Rosa Koire: — http://www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/
commented 2016-01-19 15:00:56 -0500
With Sophie’s impromptu songs and Justin Trudeau’s ‘sunny ways’ it’s quite plain to see that the Muppets are in control of Canada now. So, to quote another tune, “Anything Goes”. It’s going to be a rough 4 years!
commented 2016-01-19 14:47:03 -0500
If JT thinks he can hijack the Canadian voting system which has served us so well for almost 150 years without taking it to the people, he has another think coming(if he has any at all-that is still up for debate). He needs a clear mandate to implement such a fundamental change and he thinks the everyday Canadian will sit idly by without taking action against him, to quote his famous father " Just watch me".
commented 2016-01-19 14:43:08 -0500
“This sounds like it belongs in Cuba or N Korea!”

… or China, Justine’s favorite dictatorship.
commented 2016-01-19 14:40:53 -0500
“Minister for Democratic Institutions: wtf!? This sounds like it belongs in Cuba or N Korea!
commented 2016-01-19 14:32:51 -0500
Eileen, you have a good point. Legal action taken even to the SCoC would probably just be a waste or money and time as the SCoC will rule in favor of the Liberals.

Our only hope for keeping the Liberals from rigging the system in their favour is a referendum. They probably know this so that is why they are against it.
commented 2016-01-19 14:30:16 -0500
“The Liberals can have their exploratory committees to look into the question but once they have decided on a system that they think will be better,…”

These committees will have the prime task of determining the system that will best be able to keep the Liberals in power without interruptions like the 80’s or the last ten years. That is the only electoral reform they are interested in, perpetual power. Of course they won’t consult the people in a referendum, and any other consultation they do have will be biased to the reform that benefits them.
commented 2016-01-19 14:29:40 -0500
For all the wailing the left did about Harper not being for democracy, the Liberals are actually the ones who do not like democracy.

Changing the way we vote in our only method for holding our government to account (aside from legal action which is not a possibility for the common person in terms of legal costs) absolutely MUST be presented to the people for a final say in the form of a referendum!

Surely even the Liberal and NDP voters can see this is required!

Those of you who are Liberals may like the idea of the Liberal party changing the electoral system to make their reelection more certain, but let me as you this … What happens when the Liberal party you love so much starts doing things you do not agree with? How will you hold them to account?
commented 2016-01-19 14:07:33 -0500
I would hope that there are groups within Canada who would launch a constitutional challenge of this right to the Supreme Court of Canada. But then again, seeing as this court is so biased in favor of the Liberals, it probably would not do much good.
commented 2016-01-19 13:59:15 -0500
And they complained Harper was a dictator? This ass-clown PM is going to rig the system so he can be the supreme leader for many years… Remember, he has an admiration for basic dictatorships.
commented 2016-01-19 13:46:25 -0500
Libs – “We KNOW what is best for you!”