March 09, 2017

Libertarians Are Winning: Here’s How and Why

Rebel Staff

Though I’ve often labeled myself a classical liberal, there isn’t much of a real difference between the liberalism of the past — think John Locke or John Stuart Mill — versus today’s libertarianism.

These are the two major political philosophies that compete against the progressives and socialists (basically, the people who believe in big government).

Look at what happened in America during the recent elections, for example.

In ballot boxes across America, while people were voting for Trump or Clinton, various states — California, Maine, Massachusetts, and Nevada — had ballot initiatives to legalize recreational marijuana — and they all passed.

That same year, Florida, North Dakota, Montana, and Arkansas also had ballot initiatives legalizing marijuana for medical purposes. All this occurred the same year Trump got elected, which, leads me to believe that the country, at least on social and domestic issues, lean more libertarian, and not necessarily conservative.

That’s just one example of this trend.

The biggest reason this is occurring is because the libertarian movement is a counter-cultural movement against the regressive left, and cultural libertarians like me are winning the culture war.

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commented 2017-03-11 10:35:02 -0500
Allan Peterson,

I am sorry, but are you retarded?

I mean survive outside the womb as being able to breathe and stay alive. In other words, they would die pretty much instantly. How can this go over your head?

No, I don’t support going backwards – that’s often my issue with conservatives who want to take us back to the dark ages.

Here you go:

The bottom line is that I am pro-choice. You need to understand what that actually means, instead of judging. Abortions are never going to stop, but apparently you would prefer back alley abortions, since you are not pro-choice and obviously would like abortions to be illegal. Unfortunately society doesn’t agree with you, the debate has been settled and what you think is pretty much irrelevant.

You seriously need to watch this:
commented 2017-03-11 03:09:46 -0500
Allan Peterson sorry ,you owned Jack first on his idiotic comment. My bad. I guess he thinks newborns can survive on their own?
commented 2017-03-11 03:08:54 -0500
Jack Coverdale so you admit you are a hypocrite when it comes to Muslims , and tell me what baby can survive on its own even after a full term? And abortion is allowed until the moment of birth in Canada, there is no certain point here.
commented 2017-03-10 17:59:42 -0500
Jack, 1. Survival out side the womb, hunh? A child cannot survive outside the womb on their own until quite a few years have gone by. About 6 years I’d say. So by your logic we can continue to abort kids up to 6 or 7 years old. Brilliant.

2. Yes those two girls are doing well so your diatribe against conservative Christians is bunk. I think that’s what you meant to say. Society’s standards are anchored to the aforementioned iceberg. Slavery used to be legal,too. So if society drifts back that way would you be all in favour of it? Probably, because you have no moral foundation on which to oppose it. You have no absolutes. Your drift with the wind.

3. Since when does jelly candy have feet and hands you evil, willfully blind child killer? If there is any likeness to jelly candy that is because the procedure ripped the baby apart limb from limb.

4. There isn’t point where abortion isn’t allowed. Even partial birth abortions are allowed under
Canadian law. One of the only countries in the world that has NO restriction. Get your facts straight. But I know the truth is inconvenient when you want to believe a lie.

Here are some more pictures of the aborted unborn that you so callously dismiss as “jelly candy”:

The truth will set you free. Willful blindness, not so much.
commented 2017-03-10 16:38:40 -0500

There is absolutely a definition – NOT ABLE TO SURVIVE OUTSIDE THE WOMB. That isn’t up for debate. It’s science.

That’s great – those two girls were actually born and by society’s standards, became people.

It looks like jelly candy that wouldn’t be able to survive.

There is an actual reason why abortion is allowed up to a certain point. They didn’t just pick the number of weeks out of their ass.
commented 2017-03-10 14:12:03 -0500
Wrong again, jack.

I didn’t say a kid had to work and make money. But hey have to be able to hustle to find food, shelter and clothing if there are not parents around. Your viability argument is the what’s stupid. Totally arbitrary with no definition. We adopted two girls who were supposed to be aborted. They are both wonderful productive members of society. Working and going to school. Oh, and one is East Indian and the other Slavic, so lay that racist card back down. Several people in our church have large families of foster kids and adoptees. So do our neighbours so your rant is full of smoke and mirrors.

Oh,and Jack, snot does not have a heart, or eyes or a brain or bones, hands or feet or a pulse. Take a look ta a video of the results of an abortion and you’ll see the truth which you will no doubt ignore. You are desperately seeking comfort lies.

So dos this look like snot to you?
commented 2017-03-10 13:22:01 -0500
Allan Peterson,

There is a universe of difference between being viable outside of the womb to actually be able to stay alive and being able to work and make money. Are you fucking high?

I am sorry, but your questions are moronic. This is how the and society and the world works. You don’t have to agree, but society and the world doesn’t care what you think. A fetus is not a true person with rights until it is born.

I find it interesting that conservatives care so much about a glob of snot, but once that glob turns into a baby and is actually born, those same conservatives no longer give a shit about the “precious life” and now view them as a burden.

George Carlin said it best:

They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.

Conservatives don’t give a shit about you until you reach “military age”. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they’ve been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.
commented 2017-03-10 10:58:54 -0500
Oh, Jack, I forgot to mention. If the fetus is the woman body why does it have different DNA. Science has shown that all parts of a human body carry the DNA of the person to who it was attached. That is why police use hairs to establish the DNA and identity of a person in a crime. But the baby has totally different DNA. Therefore it is not “her body”. Irrefutable scientific proof that your position is not based on logic, reason of empirical evidence and is totally arbitrary. So how is the destruction of a baby (a person with unique DNA) not murder? Oh, I know, somebody arbitrary pronounced that the legal construct of “Personhood” is only bestowed at birth. But not to worry. They aren’t viable until 6 years old or so so we can always have infanticide like the noble pre-christian Romans and Greeks had. Diversity is our strength after all.
commented 2017-03-10 10:48:25 -0500
Jack, what makes youth an unborn child is a woman’s body? Nonsense. It is a separate body held in trust. Viability is BS. No child is “viable” until they are about 6 years old. But under your logic we should have post natal abortions (Infanticide) since a child is not viable until they can work and fefd themselves.

Yes there have been morals without Christian belief. I never called for it. I simply pointed to that someone’s morality will be imposed. I simply asked you to make inevitable choice since someone’s morality will be imposed. Our morality in these times is like being anchored to an iceberg. It feels solid and substantial but it it forever drifting. And eventually it melts and leaves us with nothing- like Somalia. Everyone there can do what they like until some tyrant thug poses his morality or lack thereof on you. Might becomes right. Just like the antifa crusaders. The question again is which belief system is adequate for our human condition. We all get to choose. Not all choices are adequate. We will pay a terrible price if we get it wrong. Not a choice to be taken lightly. The problem is, generally speaking, that we are desperately seeking comforting lies.
commented 2017-03-10 02:40:37 -0500
Drew Wakariuk,

Seriously – why are you talking?

I have no interest on The Rebel’s hate agenda on Muslims. My position on gay rights and abortion has no color, race or religion boundary. Your idea of logic is that if I am not spewing hate about Muslims, I must support everything about them.

That’s why you shouldn’t be talking, because I find you to be in the top 5 dumbest conservatives on The Rebel.
commented 2017-03-10 02:15:58 -0500
Jack because i choose to and i see you still cannot answer , now try putting your money where your mouth is and criticize Muslims when they are against abortion and throw gays off of rooftops or hang them. You never seem to comment on those stories.
commented 2017-03-10 02:09:28 -0500

Are you talking? Why are you talking?
commented 2017-03-10 02:09:21 -0500
Jack actually the left is hypocritical as they hate liberty, how is censorship better than not wanting to bake a cake for a gay wedding? So spare us your self important BS. And please show me any Rebel lies, i have shown you many CBC lies as have others. STILL WAITING!
commented 2017-03-10 02:05:00 -0500
Jack we are not here to be spoon fed, we are here for the truth that the left hides. We are not mental midgets like you.
commented 2017-03-10 02:03:58 -0500
Jack Coverdale many atheists are anti gay , and we do not hate gay people , when the hell did anyone say that? Not wanting them to have special rights is not being against them. And secular socialists are the champion mass murderers and the most intolerant and tyrannical, so quit acting like they are morally superior.
commented 2017-03-10 02:01:28 -0500
Jack Coverdale being pro choice does not mean you want free abortions until the moment of birth. And in late term abortions the baby is born alive and viable in some cases, it is not out of her body , why is it still her choice? And sorry the left hates libertarians , not us. the left hates liberty.
commented 2017-03-10 01:36:32 -0500
Elton Braun,

Perhaps you can explain why there are conservatives/Republicans that are also pro-choice. It’s not just a liberal thing.
commented 2017-03-10 01:35:13 -0500
lawrence O’Byrne,

Scan it and post it here though an image site like Photobucket.
commented 2017-03-10 01:33:52 -0500
Allan Peterson,

You don’t need to have faith to have morals, which are subjective anyway when it comes to things that aren’t against the law as well.

There were moral people and moral codes long before Jesus came around.

Even millions and millions who believe in God and follow The Bible, show a lack of morality on a daily basis, but they just simply call it a sin that they will be forgiven for. How convenient, especially when you are fucking someone who isn’t your wife.

Oh but they think they have high moral standards that cancel out their sinning, because they are against gay people or abortion.

That’s bullshit.
commented 2017-03-10 01:30:32 -0500
coverdale you want to meet ,i’ll show you my diploma
commented 2017-03-10 01:25:11 -0500
Allan Peterson-very well said, a lot better than I could.
Jack Coverdale said “Because it’s her body and she supersedes a bunch of cells”. Perhaps you could explain then why so many of your lefty counterparts believe that someone else should supersede her exclusive right to put value on her unborn child if the reason she wants to abort it is because it’s the wrong gender. How can the state say one unborn child has value but another one doesn’t?
commented 2017-03-10 01:15:46 -0500
Allan Peterson,

Well I was going to say snot, but I figured someone here would lose their shit over that.

Nonethless, the priority is the mother and her body – she has the right to decide what happens to her own fucking body and that won’t change regardless if abortion is legal or not.

You need to wake up to reality and realize that we will never live in a world where abortions don’t exist, so it’s moronic to ask the kind of question that you asked.

By society’s standards, it’s not a person until it’s born. Beyond that, a fetus needs to be viable outside of the womb, before there is true life there. Hence the reason why abortions are allowed up to a certain point.
commented 2017-03-10 00:21:46 -0500
JACK COVERDALE commented 3 hours ago
“Elton Braun,
Because it’s her body and she supersedes a bunch of cells.”

Actually, Jack, she is also just a bunch of cells. Why does her bunch of cells get to destroy another bunch of cells?

“I see your point on some of these matters. Yes some conservatives that post on here, post on their religion or belief. That is not conservatism that is a belief system, which doesn’t belong in politics. Politics is for making sound decisions with a calm.”

OK, Charles, we need to ask a question. On what basis are these decisions going to be made? They are made on the basis of a persons values. Where do values come from? They come from what you believe to be true and right. On what basis do you decide what is true and right? It will come from your religious beliefs or lack thereof.

So many agnostics / atheists think we make decisions in a morel neutral ground or a vacuum. There is no such thing. Someone’s values will always be imposed on someone else. When you drive a certain way it is because someone has decided for you that it is wrong to drive any other way. To do so is a criminal offence because it endangers the lives of other people. When you neighbour plays his music until 2 AM he is imposing his belief system on you. When you call the cops to shut him down you are imposing your belief system on him.

To me the libertarian view seems unrealistic and even infantile. Everyone will do as they please. But if you both want to drive on different sides of the road it will be death and chaos." Nobody is going to tell me what side of the road to drive on".
To have order and peace in a society assumes the good will of all people but we know that not all people are of good will. To think there wise is delusional. So some force is going to be necessary. The antifas are attempting to impose their morality on everyone else by force. Diversity is not our strength. Diversity cannot stand since it leads to chaos. Someone’s morality will be imposed in order to keep order. Somalia is a good example.

So the question is which belief system, religious or not, are we willing to impose on ourselves? (Actually every belief system is religious in some way. Someone is going to be God or god. History is replete with examples.) SOMEONE’S MORALITY WILL BE IMPOSED. We need to look at the systems that are available and that are clamouring for the right to impose themselves on us. Which ones do the least imposing? Which ones give the most latitude to free will? Which ones call us to a higher morality? Which ones foster advancement and freedom? Which ones are realistic about humanity’s condition? Which ones are historically and empirically verifiable? Which ones have an adequate answer to the human condition?

We like to talk about our rights. But for every right there is an equal and opposite responsibility. Libertarianism seems to be attempting to arrive at the conservative position without having to take any responsibility. Kind of like the Liberals who promise no end of freebies to gullible people who want to take and not give. I’m not calling them the same but they basically end up in the same place.
Unbridled anti-nomianism leads to chaos and chaos leads to tyranny in the end when people cannot take the upheaval anymore.
When the current culture war shakes out someone will be imposing their morality on us. Who’s morality would you like it to be?
commented 2017-03-09 22:42:21 -0500
lawrence O’Byrne,

Thank you for confirming that you are a fucking moron with yet another incoherent post that points out that you don’t understand simple grammar, spelling, logic and reason.

Seriously – did you go to school at all?
commented 2017-03-09 22:37:06 -0500
Funny enough, Jay appears to be the only contributor to the Rebel – Ezra included, who is actually objective, reasonable and can be critical of the right, which I know angers people here because they come here to be spoon fed what they already believe and agree with, regardless of facts or truth.
commented 2017-03-09 22:29:37 -0500
coverdale you are bat shit crazy , you are disgusting and most of your post look like some one that had to use the short bus , funny but you don’t have too many on this site that agree with your lefty idiotic comments , BTW whats your real name ,are you one of the trolls that keep changing their names .GFY and you actually are one the most low intelligent people on this site ,but you are too dumb to know that ,go kiss turdo’s ass and his muslim invaders , jay fayza is looking for a reason to lump alt right [ conservatives ] with the fascist lefty rioters , i guess he didn’t watch the alt news sources last week end showing the lefties assaulting trump supporters . shut your pie hole coverdale .i am sick of libtards like you destroying Canada .
commented 2017-03-09 22:06:51 -0500
It is getting to the point where Jay’s videos are becoming impenetrable to anybody without a political studies major.
commented 2017-03-09 20:35:54 -0500
lawrence O’Byrne,

I see that you can’t even string together a proper coherent sentence. Clearly you lack an education, which is a major factor regarding your extremely low level of intelligence.

The fact of the matter is that the bat shit crazy alt-right exists and they are fucking nuts. Jay is simply pointing out that there are crazy conservatives just like they are crazy liberals. Neither side is above insanity.
commented 2017-03-09 20:26:02 -0500
Elton Braun,

Because it’s her body and she supersedes a bunch of cells.
commented 2017-03-09 19:33:12 -0500
hey coverdale ,jay tried the other day on one of his columns to portrait the alt right as committing as many riots and verbal garbage as the crazy left , for all of jays whining about the alt right if there is 1 alt right doing something wrong you can bet there are 50 brain washed lefty sjw out there doing worse , that’s what i object to ,so eff off coverdale you are a troll and make no sense on your posts ,go kiss turdo’s ass or go back to your CBC crap . jay has had at least three columns that are more like reading an msm crap piece .