September 04, 2019

Marc Morano: The “modern Democratic party is against industrial civilization”

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

On last night's episode of The Ezra Levant Show, Marc Morano of Climate Depot called in to talk about how modern Democrats have shifted their priorities to rally against climate change.

Blue collar jobs are vilified because manufacturing produces carbon emissions, which makes the smoke stacks on a factory an even bigger issue for Democrats than their previous beef with the factory owners.

This is just a clip from the daily Ezra Levant Show. You can watch the full episode by clicking herebut you have to be a Premium Content subscriber to watch.

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commented 2019-09-11 15:41:16 -0400
I wish these leftist nut would get their drinking water from out pouring sewage pipe at Vancouver than they might know what pollution is all about . No concern for sewage pouring into our lakes and streams but all over co2 . Liberal hypocrites .
commented 2019-09-05 22:48:56 -0400
Pollution:
“The most appropriate definition of environmental pollution would be the introduction of different harmful pollutants into certain environment that make this environment unhealthy to live in. The most common pollutants are usually chemicals, garbage, and waste water.”

In other words a pollutant is that which has toxic effects on people, animals or plants and I suppose insects. CO2 has no toxic effects, ever. As Maurice pointed out your example of too much CO2 is specious, as usual. Your leftist sophistry is on overdrive. Its is not the presence of C)2 that is toxic it is the lack of oxygen- another essential for life that is deadly.

Gasoline in the water is pollution since it is never a nutrient. Sort of like parasites are never non-parasites. An over consumption of a nutrient does not make it a pollutant. It makes it a stupid choice with harmful consequences.

But you leftists like to conflate your terms to make your BS claims found legitimate to the unthinking.

“Since we are claiming that CO2 is harmful to the environment and we know that people think of pollution is harmful to the environment let’s conflate the two terms and suck in the shopping mall types.” Hence it is the logical fallacy of equivocation. Using two different words in the same sense- i.e “one voice”

Again this raises the question:
Why do you want to believe and promulgate lies?
commented 2019-09-05 22:33:44 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 24 hours ago

The water anecdote is amusing, but there is a phenomenon known as “water poisoning”, where a little bit of something is harmless or even beneficial, but that doesn’t mean its’ invariably safe.
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So, then, as Alberta MAGA said, you would call water a pollutant. So, then by your definition water pollution would be pollution pollution. What a maroon.
commented 2019-09-05 22:12:03 -0400
Andrew Stephenson you ask “So, what happens when you put a bunch of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere?” , exactly what the inaction and green insanity caused to happen with the Pine Beetle. Whoever told you it was related to climate change is a complete lying imbecile.
commented 2019-09-05 22:10:45 -0400
Andrew Stephenson the Pine Beetle was not related to climate change you halfwit, the original damage started in a national park and the green kooks demanded the government not use pesticides or cut down trees to stop them in their path, THAT IS HOW THEY SPREAD AND BECAME A HUGE DISASTER AND CAUSED THE BURNING OF TONS UPON TONS OF WOOD CREATING LOTS AND LOTS OF CARBON!!!
Try and learn about reality for once in your damn life.
commented 2019-09-05 12:58:43 -0400
“That is a completely made-up ignorant comment man . . . . ALL LIFE on the Planet depends on CO2 . . . if it fell much below 200 ppm . . . life as we know it would cease.”

Not all life, nor the capslocked variant, a lot of anaerobes use methane as their ultimate carbon source, and of course, life would evolve tolerance to lower levels over time anyway.

If it got too high life would also cease to exist. There’s clearly an optimum.

All life is dependent on phosphorus as well, and it’s considered a pollutant when in excess.

“Carbon dioxide increases historically lag temperature increases”

So, what happens when you put a bunch of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? This historical lag tells you nothing about what happens if you reverse the circumstances, although it does tell us the two are linked, and hints strongly that a positive feedback loop is possible, both of which suggest we should tread carefully.
commented 2019-09-05 10:27:11 -0400
@ Andrew . . . . “By many definitions, CO2 is indeed a pollutant, as in it’s a waste product which in excess can cause negative effects on the environment.” ? ? ?

That is a completely made-up ignorant comment man . . . . ALL LIFE on the Planet depends on CO2 . . . if it fell much below 200 ppm . . . life as we know it would cease.
Do a little research man . . . don’t just spout nonsense.

In the past CO2 has been much higher than today . . . multiple thousands ppm . . . and the planet was much cooler at the time.

“Carbon dioxide increases historically lag temperature increases. “In 1985, ice cores extracted from Greenland revealed temperatures and CO2 levels going back 150,000 years,” writes author Joanne Nova. “Temperature and CO2 seemed locked together. It was a turning point — the ‘greenhouse effect’ captured attention. But, in 1999 it became clear that carbon dioxide rose and fell after temperatures did. By 2003, we had better data showing the lag was 800 ± 200 years. CO2 was in the back seat.”

Of course the climate crusaders have written at great length to tell us it’s all just a myth. This time, they say, the warming (which is in doubt) is caused by man. It just has to be. All those other warming periods, the alarmists tell us, can be explained by natural events, such as Earth’s orbit around the sun."

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/08/26/a-short-list-of-facts-global-warming-alarmists-dont-want-to-face/
commented 2019-09-05 01:50:14 -0400
MAURICE POTVIN commented 2 hours ago
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 20 mins ago

FALSE: Carbon Monoxide (CO) is a poisonous gas and will kill you if exposed to it long enough, regardless of Oxygen level. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is inert and harmless. "

Look up respiratory acidosis. In essence, your body uses dissolved carbon dioxide in your blood to maintain its pH. Too much CO2, and it becomes too acidic, and you die (the inverse effect is why hyperventilation makes you dizzy). In fact, it’s so crucial, that your blood pH due to CO2 levels, is what controls how much and how fast you breath. There are little sensing organs in your carotid arteries that detect it. Workplace regulations limit it to 5000ppm, or 0.5%, though some people report feeling uncomfortable at even lower levels. CO2 to that level would only trivially lower the oxygen by about the same amount. Much higher than 3% and the diffusion gradient begins working against you, you can no longer eliminate it.

ALBERTA MAGA commented 1 hour ago
Andrew Stephenson CO2 is not as harmful as a flood. "

That’s the perception, yes, but merely because a flooded house is far more tangible a cost. How do you even attribute the cost of the pine beetle, which is a consequence of climate change? Some of that is probably natural, but how much? How much is anthropogenic? The actual costs aren’t knowable at this point but are unlikely to be zero.
commented 2019-09-05 01:07:29 -0400
Andrew how much carbon was created because of the idiotic green decision on the Pine Beetle in BC? That was a disaster to the environment and to industry.
commented 2019-09-05 01:05:18 -0400
Andrew please list actual green improvements created by having a carbon tax.
commented 2019-09-05 00:54:52 -0400
Andrew Stephenson when the doomsayers practice what they preach i might listen to them, until then they are just imposing power and control.
commented 2019-09-05 00:53:54 -0400
Andrew neither are a pollutant, that is my point.
commented 2019-09-05 00:53:08 -0400
Andrew Stephenson CO2 is not as harmful as a flood. Your man made danger is utter BS!
commented 2019-09-05 00:52:20 -0400
Andrew Maurice is right and you are wrong.
commented 2019-09-04 23:16:33 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 20 mins ago

“The same is true of carbon dioxide – in an enclosed space CO2 will kill you long before you run out of oxygen.”

FALSE: Carbon Monoxide (CO) is a poisonous gas and will kill you if exposed to it long enough, regardless of Oxygen level. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is inert and harmless. However if there’s a lack of Oxygen accompanying the harmless Carbon Dioxide, you’re still going to die, but it has nothing to do with the Carbon Dioxide. You need Oxygen to live.
commented 2019-09-04 22:44:17 -0400
ALBERTA MAGA commented 31 mins ago
Water in Excess is toxic and can have harmful effects on the environment such as flooding so i guess it must be a pollutant."

If you wish. We do spend many billions of dollars trying to prevent water or flood damage, would it be unreasonable to do the same for carbon dioxide?
commented 2019-09-04 22:41:54 -0400
“Only Andrew can call food a pollutant. "

That, and the fine folks at establishments such as the North End Water Pollution Control Centre in Winnipeg, for example. What pollution are they controlling, and why?

The water anecdote is amusing, but there is a phenomenon known as “water poisoning”, where a little bit of something is harmless or even beneficial, but that doesn’t mean its’ invariably safe. The same is true of carbon dioxide – in an enclosed space CO2 will kill you long before you run out of oxygen.

Why don’t you provide your definition of pollutant then, and why carbon dioxide is specifically excluded. Mine is: a pollutant is a byproduct of some other process that in excess, can damage some element of the environment. Carbon dioxide fits the first, for sure, and most evidence suggests it does the latter. Agree or disagree?
commented 2019-09-04 22:12:16 -0400
Water in Excess is toxic and can have harmful effects on the environment such as flooding so i guess it must be a pollutant.
commented 2019-09-04 22:10:50 -0400
Andrew Stephenson Private Enterprise has done more for Green advancement than any government. And the ones who are getting a free pass are virtue signalling politicians and celebrities and other elite hypocrites so stick your comment.
commented 2019-09-04 21:23:32 -0400
Equivocation
(also known as: doublespeak)
Description: Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading.

CO2 is a gas. Gas spilled from your car is pollution. Therefore CO2 is a pollutant.
commented 2019-09-04 21:16:08 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 8 hours ago
By many definitions, CO2 is indeed a pollutant…
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Care to provide a few examples of those from reliable sources. You know- not Liberal party members.
commented 2019-09-04 21:14:03 -0400
DALE WARREN commented 2 hours ago
@ Andrew . . . . “By many definitions, CO2 is indeed a pollutant, as in it’s a waste product which in excess can cause negative effects on the environment.” ? ? ?
Fiction Andrew . . . not backed by REAL Science . . .
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Dale this is not unexpected. This is the same scientist who claims- with no supporting evidence- that babies are parasites.
commented 2019-09-04 21:12:33 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 1 hour ago
“CO2 is a benign, heavy, rare gas that enables plants to process sunlight & nutrients to grow . . . if CO2 was half what is it today . . . plant life would be in jeopardy and hence life on the friggin planet. "

Phosphorus is also “plant food”, and a pollutant.
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Only Andrew can call food a pollutant. Is flour also a pollutant? How about corn? We got way too much Dihydrogen Monoxide on the earth, that’s for sure. It is also known as Hydroxyl Acid, It sometimes causes severe burns, causes erosion of the ecosystem, Dihydrogen Monoxide has killed thousands of people every year since time immemorial.

It has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients. It accelerates corrosion and causes suffocation. It is often used as an industrial solvent and coolant- especially in nuclear power plants. It is used in the application of pesticides and remains on vegetables and fruit even after washing.

We need to ban it.
commented 2019-09-04 20:09:09 -0400
“CO2 is a benign, heavy, rare gas that enables plants to process sunlight & nutrients to grow . . . if CO2 was half what is it today . . . plant life would be in jeopardy and hence life on the friggin planet. "

Phosphorus is also “plant food”, and a pollutant. If it were half of what it is, life would also be in jeopardy. But, still a pollutant, at least partly because of its fertilizing effects… which tends to produce too much fertilization. That sort of thing tends to have an optimal level.

Obviously, we’re in no danger of running out of carbon dioxide, at least not at the moment. Half a billion years down the line, with the sun slowly getting brighter, levels to avoid thermal runaway will be low enough to start starving plants. Fortunately, evolution.

It’s not particularly rare, and there’s no evidence it’s benign.
commented 2019-09-04 19:23:44 -0400
@ Andrew . . . . “By many definitions, CO2 is indeed a pollutant, as in it’s a waste product which in excess can cause negative effects on the environment.” ? ? ?
Fiction Andrew . . . not backed by REAL Science . . .

CO2 is a benign, heavy, rare gas that enables plants to process sunlight & nutrients to grow . . . if CO2 was half what is it today . . . plant life would be in jeopardy and hence life on the friggin planet.

CO2 is NOT Carbon . . . Coal is Carbon . . . CO2 could double tomorrow and only the Petunias would know. The entire Klimate Scam with regard to CO2 is nonsense . . . CO2 increases AFTER the Temperature rises . . . Al the Goricle Lied !

Fakest July On Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUprclkVrNPls7PR-nHhf1Ow&v=uMldKLR0Vwc

Two Economists Warn Germany’s Climate Hysteria Will Be Its Downfall
https://climatechangedispatch.com/economists-german-climate-hysteria-downfall/

Anyone who thinks the UN is looking after their best interests in Western Democracies is friggin insane. The US is 180 odd countries . . . most run by Despots & Diktators = the most useless organization on the Planet today!
commented 2019-09-04 14:14:46 -0400
MUTA WEEN commented 1 hour ago
If CO2 is a pollutant then we must all stop breathing. What total rubbish this green house gas stuff is.

The stuff you exhale is trivial relative to the stuff we dig out of the ground and burn.

By the way, just because it comes from your body, doesn’t mean it’s not pollution. The nutrients in your urine are considered pollutants, and can cause all sorts of problems downstream if it’s not controlled. NOx represent a significant source of fixed nitrogen (aka, “plant food” in nature, but it’s also a pollutant in city, and what causes the yellow haze on hot days.

Pollution is not a matter of the chemical itself, but whether there’s so much of it that it causes environmental damage of some sort.
commented 2019-09-04 13:10:42 -0400
Then by definition, all knowing ones rhetoric that is continually posted to this site is indeed a form of pollution. Verbal diarrhea.
I would further add that the all knowing one should lead by example and cease in the destruction of this planet ……… stop breathing!
commented 2019-09-04 13:03:58 -0400
If CO2 is a pollutant then we must all stop breathing. What total rubbish this green house gas stuff is.