September 23, 2015

Mulcair and Trudeau playing pogey politics in Atlantic Canada

Brian LilleyArchive

It's dangerous for politicians to play with the employment insurance system if they want to win seats in certain parts of the country, as Chretien's Liberals discovered in 97 when they were virtually wiped out in Atlantic Canada after tinkering with the system. 

Stephen Harper has yet to be forgiven, despite apologizing, for his “culture of defeat” comment made well before he became Prime Minister.

We're not supposed to say it but in Atlantic Canada, EI is no longer an employment insurance system but welfare.

Now Justin Trudeau and Tom Mulcair have both promised to make EI easier to get by doing away with sensible reforms. Both made their announcements in New Brunswick. They know if a politician says they love pogey down east they'll be pilloried but if you say you'll make pogey easier to get, you'll be cheered.

Atlantic Canada has lower employment, lower wages, lower economic growth but the answer isn't to keep shovelling more pogey at the people the way Mulcair and Trudeau are promising to do.

But politicians figured out long ago that promising people in Atlantic Canada they'll make the money flow more easily is a sure way to win votes.

There are lots of hard working people from the area spread across the country. We have even more jobs across Canada that can’t be filled so we bring in new immigrants to take those jobs yet we still have regions of the country where people are paid to sit idle.

It makes no sense and it is time we stopped it.


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commented 2015-09-26 18:42:32 -0400
Excuse the lengthiness of my remarks, but this false narrative has got to be responded to.

It is simplistic to think the solution to this problem is for people to move to another part of the country. This solution has been tried for longer than I have been alive. Believe me, young and old people alike have been moving west from New Brunswick and Nova Scotia purely for economic reasons for generations. It has solved nothing, and other than requiring the total evacuation of an entire region of the country, it never will solve anything.

If you want to solve a problem, you have to identify the cause. Otherwise, you are just treating symptoms. Requiring people to move away is just treating symptoms. There are generations of uprooted people to prove that.

When New Brunswick and Nova Scotia helped to form the original Canada in 1867, they were an economically vibrant place that traded heavily with the northeastern US. This economy supported their populations very well.

There was much debate at the time whether the eastern provinces(colonies) should join with Upper and Lower Canada. History has proven people had legitimate fears about what that kind of partnership would mean. Politicians made promises that they may have believed would continue their prosperity, but the devastating blow came 12 years later.

In 1879, the federal government passed the National Policy. This cut New Brunswick and Nova Scotia off from their north-south trading partners in the US. The National Policy imposed tariffs on US goods while claiming to protect central Canadian manufacturers. The imposition of this act alone foretold the economic destruction of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia as they were forced to deal with customers/suppliers 1200 km away instead of their local market. The Canadian market was also much smaller than the US and international market.

The National Policy was short sighted deliberate patronage favouring central Canada over New Brunswick and Nova Scotia businesses. Although there were promises made by politicians of the day, the devastating effects of this one policy was utterly overwhelming on the regional economy. And the politicians soon forgot their commitments. Confederation was a terrible deal for New Brunswick and Nova Scotia because their interests were now secondary to central Canada.

The attitude today of most Canadians to Atlantic Canada displays their ignorance of political manipulating in history and the devastation that poor short sighted decisions have made for the country today.

The country was weakened eventually by the destruction of the economy in Atlantic Canada. Their economy was destroyed, so it became dependent upon the federal government in Upper Canada to fill the gaps of what was being torn down in front of them.

A national leader with enough foresight wouldn’t have intentionally destroyed a vibrant regional economy in favour of constituents in another part of the country. Quebec, and eventually Ontario were looked upon as the economic successes of Canada. The politicians of the day were either unable to deal with, or didn’t care enough to deal with the devastation of an ugly policy on a once vibrant regional economy.

Today, both Ontario and Quebec have proven to be unable to keep their success status because THEIR economies were manipulated by politicians. Eventually, the unforeseen circumstances add up and the politicians can’t hide their mess from their constituents.

Quebec now has the highest dollar equalization payment in the country. It has a well earned reputation of holding their neighbour provinces up for ransom when they try to improve themselves. One example: Quebec forced a rotten deal on Churchill Falls power generation.

Quebec has forced such rotten arrangements in the past that a new HVDC transmission line is now going undersea to avoid Quebec. Some may think this is just an innovative way to transmit power, but the real reasoning behind it is to get on the North American grid while avoiding having to deal with Quebec’s nonsense, as well as the federal government’s refusal to arbitrate realistically.

Ontario became a have-not province in 2009 and will likely stay that way for a very long time. It’s $315,000,000,000 debt is the highest of any non-sovereign state in the world. That is nothing to brag about. Ontario is coasting on a historic economy, but it will be surpassed by some other jurisdiction with more fiscal savvy in the future.

People will continue to move out of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia (and PEI and NL) as your simplistic solution precribes, And nothing will be fixed.

The only thing that will ever fix this is to restore the natural trading patterns of the original colonies. I don’t know if that can ever be accomplished within Canada now, but unless it is, nothing will ever change. And I don’t blame the people who have been shafted by short sighted politicians in the early part of Canadian confederation for that.

It is more likely that New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, etc. will try to form some sort of trading arrangement with the US separate from the federal government. I wish them well, because that is their natural economic connection and Canada is unwilling and/or unable to fix this any other way.
commented 2015-09-24 21:07:20 -0400
PETER; I stand corrected and apologize.
commented 2015-09-24 10:43:03 -0400
Brian, I don’t want to move, relatives live close, family babysitters, garden provides most of my yearly food needs, housing is cheap (use to be my parents), my tree lot gives me cheap firewood (family pass down), and besides the Liberals and Conservatives, pander to us by giving us transfer payments and EI benefits. Many of us worked out west for years before moving back to take advantage of the above mentioned benefits, we are the smartest people in Canada…lowest personal debt levels compared to the rest of Canada, just one example… I find it funny how many still have contempt for PM Harper, because he told the truth, but like most people we are okay to say it, but not someone else…
commented 2015-09-24 05:32:21 -0400
Worked oil patch for 30years, had literally hundreds of maritimers working for me. Most were my BEST workers. Those two fools Mulcant and Trudolt are both ignorant and insulting. I hope the good people of the area see thru this blatant insult and realize it is in their best interest to vote Com.
commented 2015-09-24 03:57:27 -0400
Gravy train tactics from the two communist pig party leaders. What else is new?

troodo and mulcair can both rot in hell – tired of these communist fucks that play out their financial suicide missions on the masses.
commented 2015-09-24 00:28:28 -0400
After paying into EI for over 25 years, I was put on Medical Disability by my Physician and received a whopping 13 weeks of EI. Period! EI deducted 2 weeks, off the 15 maximum they would allow for Medical, for vacation pay I didn’t get and had to fight for when my employer would not allow me to return after 15 years of hard working loyal service. That is the difference when your EI region is not in the Welfare Class.
commented 2015-09-24 00:19:57 -0400
If the NDP win, maybe I’ll move to the east coast … then at least I won’t be witness to the devastation of jobs in Alberta … and I can get paid to stay home most of the year.
commented 2015-09-23 23:48:55 -0400
It is easy to spend other people’s money – and in fact the money they are promising to give away is mine! And yours!

It simply means additional taxation – easier to get means more will flow.

More abuse.

Yup – let’s give it all away.

The race to the bottom.

Worst part?

That sales pitch will work with a whole bunch of people.

What happens when the money runs out?
commented 2015-09-23 22:34:39 -0400
PERFECT answer to Peter’s question. LOL
commented 2015-09-23 22:08:26 -0400
As they will. When I left NS there were two sacred cows that every politician dicked with, pavement and pogey. They’d let the roads fall apart from the overuse of road salt, and then come on a door-knock pungent with largesse, promising to pave the roads. In ridings where the government was not represented, the pavement would go beyond absurd, basically as punishment.
That these two jokers are playing pogey politics comes as no surprise. Keep ‘em hungry, and they’ll do anything for you. I keep telling people to watch their eyes. The timing of their grins. The tone of the rhetoric designed to feign concern or ‘caring’. These guys are just perpetuating the have-not province mechanism in order to get elected. Making people dependent on their handouts. Classic Canadian politics. Having destroyed any incentive to rise above the handout club, they reinforce the handout as incentive to stay down.
Neat, huh? What’s more, it works. People vote for this shit in droves.
commented 2015-09-23 21:42:44 -0400
Hyacinth that was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!
commented 2015-09-23 21:29:12 -0400
Peter asked, “Without Harper to despise, where does that hatred go? Will their heads explode? Will their brains (what little there is) melt? Just curious.”

Answer your question?
commented 2015-09-23 19:36:18 -0400
If people have the choice to stay home or work for the equal amount of money. Guess what they will do. It is what killed communism in Russia. It is why Greece went bankrupt. EI was not meant to do what it is doing in the maritime s now. Cut off the EI and you will see how the ingenuity and business savy of the maritime people will emerge. Then when they start contributing to Canada instead of sucking from it. All of Canada will benefit.
commented 2015-09-23 19:23:02 -0400
Peter, I hope so, I really hope so.
commented 2015-09-23 19:07:18 -0400
Though, I wouldn’t mind a few virgins! ;o)
commented 2015-09-23 19:06:06 -0400
Keith, I think you have misunderstood my post. I am too old to have been influenced by the socialist dogma now plaguing both the grade schools and universities. No need to think of me as a leftist, I am firmly Conservative.

My post was sarcasm an hour ago is sarcasm. ;o)

I like the Tommy Stalin and Justin Lenin designations, though I would like to expand that into Tommy “Stalin” Mulcair and Justin “Lenin” Trudeau.
commented 2015-09-23 19:01:20 -0400
Bill Smith, since the NDP are polling quite high, if the CBC is attacking the NDP, that means the left vote will be split more evenly. So it appears the CBC’s love for their liberal “king” might just work against them.
commented 2015-09-23 19:00:16 -0400
NETTERVILLE; Without Harper, this Country will become Canidisbad, Both Tommy Stalin and Justin Lenin, will give Canada to the Muslim War Lords. Canada will cease to exist, as we know it. You have been brainwashed, since your days at Junior Grade School, about the joys of Communism. Wake up, look at history, Socialism/Communism do not work. It is idiots like you, who will vote one of the afore mentioned clowns, in to power. Muhammad will be proud of you, perhaps throw in a couple of virgins.
commented 2015-09-23 18:41:26 -0400
I think young trudeau’s bribe to the CBC is paying off. Trending now in MSM
1. NDP candidate quits because she cannot manage money
2. Mulcair has nothing to gain and everything to lose in the French debate
3. NDP popularity plummets in Quebec
4. NDP candidate (and school board trustee) apologises for Auschwitz Penis comments citing that she did not know until yesterday what Auschwitz is / was.
commented 2015-09-23 18:37:55 -0400
I wish I could collect EI. As a corporate business owner, I am ineligible. Im in Alberta and 54000 of us are facing a culture of defeat. I’m forcing the 4 eligible voters in my family to vote conservative and anyone else I can convince
commented 2015-09-23 18:19:16 -0400
I wonder what the Harper Derangement sickos will do if Harper is defeated. Without Harper to despise, where does that hatred go? Will their heads explode? Will their brains (what little there is) melt? Just curious.
commented 2015-09-23 18:15:51 -0400
Not just Employment Insurance, but the whole of Canada’s financial infrastructure is like a candy store for the plundering if either JT or Tommie M., or (if the worst should happen) both of them plus tree-hugger Lizie take over Canada. Which Canada might even survive, except that they will also destroy the oilsands geese that lay the golden eggs that would even then save us, and then we’re done as a viable country and society. Conservatives, get out and vote!