March 09, 2015

Muslim leader: How to win the "new Cold War" against the "Islamist global mafia"

Brian LilleyArchive

At the Manning Networking Conference in Ottawa this weekend, I asked Dr. Zuhdi Jasser of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy how the West should fight the spread of Muslim supremacism here and abroad.

Dr. Jasser -- a U.S. Navy veteran -- says, "There is nothing more American than fighting against theocracy."

He warns, however, that the battle currently taking place within "the house of Islam" will continue to be "as bloody as the American and French Revolutions, and the Reformation."

Leaders like President Obama, he says, make matters worse by using weasel words like "extremists" to describe ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Jasser praised Canadian Muslims like Tarek Fatah and Raheel Raza for courageously calling "the Islamic global mafia" by its rightful name and taking the fight to the enemy's door.

We talked about "homegrown terrorists," stealth sharia, and what kinds of practical, concrete steps Muslims and non-Muslims alike must take if we want to win this "new Cold War":

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commented 2015-03-24 12:16:49 -0400
Okay, Ron. Dr. Jassers’ six generations of professionally educated Persian thinkers must have it all wrong.

I like Robert Spencer but he is not right about everything and uses he hyperbole liberally.

Do you think Malala supports killing apostates? Or do you think maybe she believes education and civil debates based on common humanity might be a better bet?

As we move toward a wired world and global partnership governments, with developing translation and other software, such debate among ordinary folks becomes more possible than ever before.

And what about the LGBTQ community in Islam? While heavily closeted, as was the community in the west up to the 1960s, homosexuality is demographically represented in Islam the same as among all people.

Lots of Muslim scientists too who prefer freedom to explore the universe to an apocalyptic war waged to hasten the return of the 12th imam.

If only people could make peace with the fact that even completely opposite ideas can co-exist without total mutual exclusion. With a recognition that what is is, in fact, different than what any of us thinks/believes it is.

Education and tough laws enforced to protect the peaceful from mafia criminals of all stripe is what I favour.

Reform is the only way to go … unless you favour killing all 1.7 billion Muslims.
commented 2015-03-20 14:56:32 -0400
Brian Lilley, commenting about your interview with Zudhi Jasser from the Manning Conference at your Facebook page you said, “This guy needs to be listened to, a practicing Muslim that believes promoting liberty is the best way to fight against what he calls the Islamist global mafia”. I would contend that this guy should NOT be listened to and, doing, so midsleads people into complacency and, thereby, is dangerous.
To understand, watch the video (which includes a transcript) of a recent panel discussion called “Jihad on the Offensive”, particularly watch the segment (from 13:30 to 19:27 minutes) where Robert Spencer, the director of Jihad Watch, explains why such thinking as espoused by Jasser is “is not only foolish”, but, “is suicide”.
An excerpt of what Spencer said: “That’s not a reformed kind of Islam. That’s not a moderate Islam. That’s a big extensive elaborate effort to deceive unbelievers and make us ignorant and complacent about the Jihad threat. You cannot reform something, you cannot fix a problem without acknowledging that there’s a problem, you see, and there is no moderate Islam. There is no version of Islam that does not teach warfare against unbelievers and their subjugation…If you talk about Muslims who are aware that the Qur’an and the example of Muhammad and Islamic law all teach warfare and conquest and subjugation of unbelievers and who reject that and who say that must not be done, you’re talking about maybe 5 or 10 people. I mean worldwide, out of 1.6 billion. *Zuhdi Jasser* and his friends…The problem is when the chips are down where will they side? They will side with the Muslims who are waging war. That is where their allegiance is. They probably won’t do anything, but to base our foreign policy and our domestic policy, our immigration policy, to base the future of our nation, to base our children’s lives on the idea that the vast majority of Muslims don’t want to do this, don’t care about Jihad and conquest and subjugation and that somehow some large group of Muslims who are moderates are going to rise up and fight against the Jihadis and stop them, that is not only foolish, that is suicide.”.
commented 2015-03-10 16:33:49 -0400
Joan, the Qu’ran overules Jesus. Muhammed undermines His divinity, reduces Him to just a man and a prophet, and establishes himself as the last and greateat prophet.
They believe that He was never cruxified, but only made to look like He was. That a double was used. That He isn’t the son of God. That God cannot become incarnate, even though they call Him the spirit of God.
They say that the original gospel of Jesus was lost, and that the new testament writings have been altered and changed throughtout time and therefore had to be reestablished by his people in his language that only can properly be understood in the arabic at a sophisticated level.
commented 2015-03-10 15:30:11 -0400
Bill is actually spot on with his case. The Quran does not allow for interpretation by anyone other than the most qualified. Interpreting Allahs word puts muslims on even footing with Allah . Under Islam this crime I’d called shirk and is punishable by death.
commented 2015-03-10 11:52:24 -0400
Joan, the Koran is two documents. When Mohammed started out, he was just a thief, and when he started to form a religious following, it was based on peace and love, it was the safe approach when surrounded by potential enemies. That continued for 13 years, and is the Mecca Koran. When Mohammed moved to Medina, he had an army, and the love and peace changed to slaughter the infidel (or words to that effect). The Medina Koran is therefore the violent one.
The majority of Islam, the Sunni and the Shia, operate on the principle of abrogation: The later verses supersede the early verses, thus the violent verses are the ones which must be obeyed. Sects like the Ahmardi treat all verses as having equivalent weight, but they account for under 1% of the world’s Muslims, and they are persecuted by the Sunni in their homeland Pakistan.
Taqiyya, the Muslim practice of lying when it furthers the will of Allah, often uses the Mecca Koran to show that Islam is the religion of peace, while ignoring the reality that Muslims are supposed to follow the violent Medina Koran.
commented 2015-03-10 10:52:12 -0400
Bill, re. banishment to Mosul – :-)
commented 2015-03-10 10:35:55 -0400
I know I talk too much, but bear with me.

Some may counter my argument (below) by saying the prescription to slaughter infidels applies to all situations in which Muslims are persecuted. I believe that is how the modern mujahideen are interpreting the prescription.

But that’s where an information campaign may be successful.

Are Muslims persecuted in today’s world? Are Palestinians oppressed by Zion?

Depends on whose propaganda you believe.

Some call the persecution rationale for bloody jihad “wound-collecting”, a victim culture. Something to that. It’s very ingrained in much of middle-eastern cultural belief systems. Information (propaganda) can change that. Over a couple of generations.

You see, the racial demographic may not be what matters so much to the kind of world humanity inherits from us as the cultural belief demographics.
commented 2015-03-10 10:25:33 -0400
Bill, you emphasize only parts of the qu’ran/haddith/sunnah. Other parts contradict. The Islamic texts, like all holy texts, have always required interpretation. We can’t say “this most bloody one is right” – that’s playing Allah, no?

Come on. Muhammad was only the messenger. The angel Gabriel dictated the qur’an to him. And Gabe got it from Allah. By the time the modern reader comes along, the message is, in the most conservative estimate, fourth hand.

If you ask me, that, in itself, is a bloody good reason to suspend judgement about Allah’s will, to not act as if anyone can possibly know, for sure, what any set of words, including the Islamic holt texts, truly prescribe.

There are tons of smart Muslims who can figure that out. The real issue is a struggle for world power. We’re going to need some way to appeal to conscience. Emphasizing that even the devout cannot know Allah’s will may be a wedge – you know, many smart Muslims will weigh the logic and concede provided they are convinced the only other alternative is nuclear apocalypse. And they can intimidate the mujahideen.

The Ahmaddiya (is that the same as the Armahdi?) believe there was a prophet after Muhammad named Ahmad (also Muhammad’s middle name). Similar to Bah’ai, also a strain of Islam, who claim the prophet Bahaullah succeeded Muhammad. Apostatic views, of course, according to mainstream Islam.

According to my sources, modern Muslim scholars, yes, to whom I’ve posed the questions, the prescriptions you cite were only for the period of time in the 7th century in which Muslims claim to have been persecuted.

History confirms that under Salahuddin, mercy was widely practiced not only for Muslims but for minorities. He was respected by other cultures as a fair leader and as fair in trade.

Palestinian Muslims in Jordan grow up loving Christians and Jews. They hear the rhetoric but their neighbours are Christians and Jews and their local imams not paid by Ryhaddh (sp?) so they preach the mercy and tolerance Islam.

The Muslim hierarchy, I’m told, is all based on submission. Muslims are supposed to submit to what their local imam preaches and not take up causes of foreign fights.

So all this IS online recruitment nonsense seems to violate if not holy texts, at least good Muslim manners and submission protocol.
commented 2015-03-10 10:17:18 -0400
I should say that my First Nations experiences have been pretty good. My folks are the Nisga’a of Northern BC. They have their stuff in order, and generally behave as normal folks, working hard, and utilizing the resources on their reservation for the benefit of all the tribe. They pay taxes like other Canadians as well.
commented 2015-03-10 09:57:30 -0400
Discouraging to hear your experience with FN attitude, Bill.

Of course, sustained and prolonged war can affect population too. God, figuratively, help us.

Let’s hope those with power to act in our culture run with the information strategy. It might help if Hollywood got on board. We know how much the Saudi and Kim families love their western media. But even a nice catchy “Allah promised Abe a nation not a world;” pop song might go a long way. Forbidden fruit always having had such great temptation value.
commented 2015-03-10 08:21:59 -0400
Dan, great posts well researched. Both videos should be required watching: The second one is terrifying, I confess I look more towards the military issues, not to what Arafat called his secret weapon (the womb of the Palestinian woman), and I was wrong to do that. Provided we counter the Salafist propaganda, peace will return, but with the inevitable huge Muslim population, society in the west will suffer from the drag on progress that you always get whenever folks are bust kneeling to imagined gods rather than doing something useful. We can only hope that China will keep civilization moving forward. If any doubt the retrograde effects of religion, I live in Florida half the year, and meet a lot of Christians who believe Darwin was wrong, God did make the world in 7 days, and the best cure for any illness is prayer.

Half of my family is First Nations Joan, and I have to report that these folks are ripe for conversion to Islam. I’ve been told that they regret being conquered by Christians and not by merciful, respectful Muslims. Absolutely crazy of course, but an indication of how we are loosing the propaganda war.
commented 2015-03-10 07:58:21 -0400
Here Joan some stats , to say that the birth rate in Canada is 2.6 look good but this is general , but it will be better to have specifics . I found this for you . Nb taking the global and not the specific can bring us to deceive ourself thinking that all is okay. Have a nice day. .
Total fertility rates by visible minority group, Canada, 1996 and 2001
Visible minority groups 1996 2001
Total Canada 1.69 1.57
Total, visible minorities 1.94 1.70
Chinese 1.52 1.23
South Asian 2.26 1.99
Black 1.95 1.71
Arab / West Asian 2.56 2.20
Filipino 1.98 1.71
Southeast Asian 2.05 1.68
Latin American 2.03 1.83
Japanese 1.53 1.18
Korean 1.31 1.30
Total, not a visible minority
Aboriginal 2.86 2.60
Other 1.63 1.51
commented 2015-03-10 00:47:43 -0400
Joan, I give the Salafists legitimacy because they do what is written in the Koran and Hadiths. There are at least three translations by different scholars on the web, and they all say the same thing. Modern Muslim scholars may debate interpretation, but it’s really trying to modify the meaning of the text so they are not compelled to leave their comfortable homes and kill infidels, which they understand is an unpleasant and dangerous occupation. Worked for the Ahmardi, jihad is an internal struggle for them.
Mercy in Islam is for the Muslims, BTW, this is what the rest of us get:
  • Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73.
  • Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – 48:25
  • Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. – 48:29
  • Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. – 66:9
    etc etc….
commented 2015-03-09 23:46:35 -0400
The Muslim scholars who are true believers believe in the concept of inshallah – God willing.

What Jasser, Abdullah, al-Sisi and other reformers need is our support to convince the ummah that God, or Allah, does not will a man-made global caliphate.

Move humanity out of the darkness into the light of the truth that none of us knows much of anything, let alone any god’s will.
commented 2015-03-09 23:39:17 -0400
Bill Crunkhorn, says you. (-:

Why give the Salafists more legitimacy than King Abdullah, Zudhi Jasser, Hamza Yusuf, or reformers in Egypt and Medina? Why would you believe that what the IS come-latelys claim, that Islam demands no mercy in slaughter (you won’t find anywhere near a majority of Islamic scholarship to agree with that) is a more legitimate interpretation of holy text than the long- and well-establihed thought of Jasser’s or Yusuf’s or King Abdullah’s people? Why give the Gitmo convicts more legitimacy than al-Sisi, Jasser, Abdullah?

I didn’t ask you why Mu’s murders were wrong but why the well-established Islamic doctrine that says the murders were only prescribed for a limited period of history and not for all time wrong? Why believe Gitmo convicts over our trade allies?

You said yourself that Muslims are not stupid. And they aren’t. Many like Jasser are much more educated in Islam than any of us in the west. I think we should defer to them on matters of ideology. Not to the IS butchers.

The Muslim Bros. also have an imperialist global-caliphate goal but do not favour butchery to achieve it. They believe they can establish a global caliphate with persistent colonozation, lawfare and ideology.

They think their ideology is superior to ours. They are well-educated, sophisticated, wealthy, great in number, disciplined, well-organized and well-connected.

51 states in the OIC that has dominated the UN for some time now.

They pose a greater threat to our freedoms, long-term, than the Wahhabi salafists and the IS ideologues.

We need to be as sneaky as the enemy. We need to hone our tongues lest the serpent fell us at our heels.
commented 2015-03-09 23:06:31 -0400
Cathy, Islam was moderating until the Wahhabi started stiring them up again. We cannot destroy 1.3 billion people, it is just NOT an option. We have to help them moderate again, and to do this, we must stop the poisonous Wahhabi Salafism coming out of Saudi Arabia.
commented 2015-03-09 23:03:35 -0400
Peter, knowing the good from the bad is not easy. As I understand it, our immigration officers are not allowed to ask the kind of questions which would weed the bad ones out, as they would be considered Islamophobic. On an individual level, try telling a Muslim you are a Jew, and look in his eyes.
commented 2015-03-09 23:00:10 -0400
Joan, ISIS behave just as Mohammed behaved, and as he instructs his followers to behave. Whatever an ancestor 50 generations later calls Islam is not as relevant as the instructions given my Mohammed himself. This is what Salaf is about, returning to the ways of the ancestors. Mohammed was a warlord, and required an army willing to go and fight. The normal reward for this kind of behavior is rape and pillage. Mo added something that no other despotic warlord added to the mix – the approval of God, and eternity in paradise. It worked well 1,400 yeas ago, and sadly, for many it works now. In answer to your question “why are they (the murders of Mohammed) wrong?” I’d say because there are so many Muslim idiots emulating Mohammed’s murders now. Nobody gives a damn about what Mo did 1,400 years ago, but we do care about what his fundamentalist followers are doing today – they are doing just what Mo told them to do, and it’s bloodthirsty beyond belief.
commented 2015-03-09 22:25:58 -0400
Before making any assumptions on Islam a definition of Radical Islam is required. Radical Islam is in fact not radical but rather strict adherence to the teachings of the Quran and Hadith. Those 130 million or more hard core Muslims( Four times our population in Canada) who by our standards are radicals are committed heart and soul to those teachings. Moderate Islam followed by the bulk of Muslims is a cherry picked form of Islam that does not follow the strict teachings of the ideology or the passages in the Quran or Hadith wherein moderates pick and choose what passages to ignore and what to follow exercising common sense. Moderates are considered traitors to the faith by the strict followers. The problem with Islam is an internal division that we cannot settle here in the west. Compounding the problem is Taquiyya and Kitman as taught in Islam. Taquiya is lying to non believers to promote Islam as taught in the Quran and Hadith and Kitman ( lying to non believers to promote Islam through omission of pertinent information). Islam is the only world religion that actually promotes deceit to spread its ideology. I unfortunately am unable to determine who in either group is practicing Taquiyya or Kitman at any given time. Asking a Muslim to swear an oath that they are telling you the truth is pointless because any oath to a non believer has no merit under Islam as taught in the Quran.
commented 2015-03-09 22:03:04 -0400
The point is that we in the west can sponsor Muslims like Jasser to launch an information campaign to fight radical Islamist movements. We can’t argue with any authority that we know the true Islam and that therefore his idea, based on three generations of family Islamic scholarship, is wrong. We can work with him and others like him to sponsor debates among radical thinkers and reformers in a public forum and believe/hope that freedom, love, democracy and those sorts of secular values can win the hearts and convince the minds of ordinary Muslim folk who then can find the will and organization to reject extremism, to kill it off from lack of interst.
commented 2015-03-09 21:56:32 -0400
Sure, Bill, like lots of mob are Roman Catholic. Of course.

What I am saying is the Islam practiced under King Abdullah of Jordan – and he is a direct descendent of Muhammad – is as and I say more legistimate administration of Islamic law than IS or Wahhabi sadistic thuggery.

My consults who follow US-born and -based Imam Hamza Yusuf tell me the list of killings by Muhammad were prescribed only for a specific period in war time, not for all time. Why are they wrong?

Around 2005, i heard a mob hit-man interviewed on 1010 radio, Toronto. He said it was God’s will that he kill the targets he was paid to hit. He went to confession and was right with God. A true Catholic. Yeah, I guess …

Like Kenney observed, it’s not just the IS that threatens the world, it is a group of smilar social gangster metastases of extremist apocalyptic Islam. An aberration.

Personally, I think IS is toast. But Iran … look out. Their ideology is every bit as toxic as IS and they are well established in the world, at the UN, in the OIC, and with Putin’s backing.
commented 2015-03-09 18:19:21 -0400
Islam is constantly showing it cannot be reformed to being civil and is not stopping sharia law with it’s blasphemy laws and all the other barbaric practices and therefore should be banned globally. In over 1400 years it hasn’t reformed and millions of people have been slaughtered. How many more innocent lives are going to be snuffed out? The world should not be putting up with fear and the threat of death constantly hanging over their heads and getting killed by this psychotic cult of violence as it stands. I listened to Dr. Jasser speak of his love for islam and how it needs to reform with much skepticism. Jasser speaks as though there isn’t a big problem, and people should just wait for the reformation of islam and he’s dead wrong. There is just far too much violence in the world today being committed by the Islamic jihadists for me to think it is possible even within the next 200 years.
commented 2015-03-09 16:55:54 -0400
answer to “Do not discount the scholarship of the three generations of Islamic thought Jasser relies on to make his points. Do not favour some gangsters-come-latelys who want you to follow their beliefs about how holy Islamic texts should be interpreted as apocalypse bait for profit and control of the globe”.
Here some examples not fictif of their basic teaching , you can read it for yourself in the quran and hadith.
Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. Sahih Muslim 33—It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah. Sahih al-Bukhari 2785—Narrated Abu Hurairah: A man came to Allah’s Messenger and said, “Guide me to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” Sahih al-Bukhari 2787—Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Case into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.” Sahih al-Bukhari 2795—Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world, even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s cause).” Sahih al-Bukhari 2796—Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s cause in the afternoon or in the forenoon is better than all the world and whatever is in it.” Sahih al-Bukhari 2797—Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.” Sahih al-Bukhari 2810—Narrated Abu Musa: A man came to the Prophet and asked, “A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them is in Allah’s Cause?” The Prophet said, “He who fights that Allah’s Word (i.e., Allah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism) be superior, is in Allah’s Cause.”

Is it possible that a man who reads these passages would conclude that he’s supposed to wage jihad? Not according to our leaders and the media.
commented 2015-03-09 16:41:54 -0400
Joan, we no more dictate behavior to the Muslims than we dictate to the Jews, Christians, Hindu, Shinto, or Buddhists. What we do demand is that people to not destroy our civilization, and only one religion is threatening to do that. Here’s a list of Mohammed’s ordered killings. Note all the be-headings, and murders avenging insults:

ISIS have better weapons, and the area is more densely populated today, so ISIS can kill more than Mohammed would have dreamed of, but they are behaving just as Mohammed did, ISIS are true Muslims, unadulterated by concepts of civilization. That’s not to say of course that all Muslims have a desire to behave in such a fashion, I believe the majority of Muslims abhor these fanatics, but to deny these SIS fanatics are Muslim is just wrong. You may as well try to deny that the Nazis were German.
commented 2015-03-09 16:29:02 -0400
Peter, you follow Brigitte Gabriel’s view that the majority is irrelevant, and that has been proven to be true throughout history. Also, the 10% subject to radicalization may be a conservative estimate. Even if we could provide a secular environment for all Muslims to make up their own minds about the will of Allah, absorbing 1.3 billion folks is impossible. We’re in for a long campaign for sure, but it’s one which must be won or another dark age falls.
commented 2015-03-09 16:04:20 -0400
We’ll never get anywhere if we insist all Muslims follow what we, the supreme authorities, claim is the “true Islam” of the gangster corporation of the Islamic State.

The Qu’ran is just words. That is why Muslim scholars from Egypt to Iran to Medina to the USA to Britain to the Netherlands to Russia, China and Tibet who have studied the texts for decades disagree with each other about their interpretation.

Do not discount the scholarship of the three generations of Islamic thought Jasser relies on to make his points. Do not favour some gangsters-come-latelys who want you to follow their beliefs about how holy Islamic texts should be interpreted as apocalypse bait for profit and control of the globe.

IS does not follow the 7th century traditions of Muhammad. Oh they’d like you to believe they do. But they don’t. They show no mercy, a fundamental tenet of shariah law. And they use modern technology.

All you who insist Muhammad laid down the law for all time, from what holy text can you cite the rules for Internet use?

Give me a break. These Islamic caliphate thugs are mafia-style gangsters no more religious than the hit man who goes to confession as if contrition were not required.

And the Wahhabists? Really? They were, originally, merely dissidents that wanted to overthrow the monarchy that the kings eventually put down As for Saudi funding of Wahhabism, some data suggest Saudi oil will dry up as soon as 2030 so sure, they’d like to use lawfare to get control of other sources of revenue. And nice try, guys, but you failed. Their leadership and that of the OIC must be brought to heel with the concept that we must all live together in a democratic global society lest we all die.
commented 2015-03-09 15:18:45 -0400
Great interview. Dr. Jasser seems to understand many of the problems the “west” is facing in our struggle to protect our Canadian rights, freedoms, and values from those within the religion of Islam who use violence to take them away from us.