December 07, 2016 Liberals still stalling on public’s call for referendum on election reform

Brian LilleyArchive

The Liberals are desperate to change the way we vote but every time they consult Canadians, they get answers they do not like.

So they are launching a new consultation, this one done online using a website called

Not only is the website being mocked in Parliament and by Canadians writ large online — one Conservative MP compared it to "a dating site designed by Fidel Castro" — but the questions asked are so strange and vague as to lead to meaningless answers.

Here's one solution:

If you haven't done so already, sign the Rebel's petition at and tell Trudeau's Liberals you demand a referendum on any changes they want to make in the way Canadians vote in elections.


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commented 2016-12-08 20:50:33 -0500
Oh Leviticus…we are little Iran. West for separation!!!!!
commented 2016-12-08 18:46:49 -0500
If Monsef was an Employee of a private company and Trudeau was the CEO and the person who directly hired her. The Immigration Dept. would have her detained and Trudeau under investigation. Which maybe this is happening, but who is doing the investigation? If indeed there is one?
commented 2016-12-08 17:03:21 -0500
@jack Pallance,

Interesting that you bring up Cromwell. His situation was somewhat analogous to our own – a battle against an entrenched, traitorous political class that would sell out the interests of their countryman to line their own pockets. Would that a man of courage and integrity stand before Justin and his buffoons and speak Cromwell’s words:

“Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!”

These days, Cromwell is cast as a bogeyman – his social, political, and military reforms which were the precursors of the best features of Westminster Common Law government are ignored by our revisionist left-wing historians; all they talk about is his treatment of the Irish…
commented 2016-12-08 16:21:10 -0500
Electoral reform is too important an issue for Canada to leave it to the Trudeau liberals to determine. Something has to be done.
commented 2016-12-08 16:19:43 -0500
Roger and Leviticus, that is the million dollar question.
commented 2016-12-08 13:41:25 -0500
Roger McAvoy I agree with you… What is this person doing in our country let alone influencing policy in our country by a foreigner.. That is not racist that is common sense… This is Canada not Iran.!!
commented 2016-12-08 12:40:25 -0500
This “person” should not even be in this Country, why is this “person” in our Parliament at all.
commented 2016-12-08 12:28:55 -0500
Agree with you Dave. Tocqueville called it. California is the prime example where voters can ask for spending referendums and leave the legislature struggling to find ways to fund them. I think the founders got their ideas from Cromwell’s Republic, where only a handful of land owners could vote. Cromwell also introduced a true flat tax.
commented 2016-12-08 02:38:19 -0500
Jay Kelly a persons name is not a government mandate issue , you are a f*ckin idiot.
commented 2016-12-08 00:20:01 -0500
A Referendum? That’s rich. Just today the Rebel posted a nostalgia item about Stockwell Day’s referendum proposal. He promised that if a certain percentage of voters asked for a referendum the government would be legally obliged to call one.

In jig time Rick Mercer had a campaign to ask for a referendum that Stockwell Day’s name be changed to Doris Day. Wintin a couple of weeks the ballot question had one more than enough approval.

Stockwell Day was very gracious. He realized the absurdity of what he had proposed. He even went along with singing “que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be…” .

He was a good sport and that was probably the highlight of his career.
commented 2016-12-07 22:11:34 -0500
One good thing about the complete incompetence of Monsef and her staff, is that there is no way now she can say Canadians were properly consulted. Its clear Canada thinks this is a joke, an utter failure. Monsef’s arrogance towards the Canadian people is backfiring right back in her pompous face.
commented 2016-12-07 21:47:47 -0500
I haven’t gotten this questionnaire in the mail yet but if I do I’m not going to be sucked in by completing it. I intend to write give Canadians a referendum on the front and send it back to them.
commented 2016-12-07 20:29:16 -0500
I don’t understand: its been determined that the facts on her immigration papers are lies. She became a citizen by deceit. Ergo, she is supposed to be stripped of her Canadian citizenship and deported. That is the LAW. Instead, she remains in Parliament, being paid by the taxpayers of this nation, now telling us how we should vote.

Its a disgrace.

Three more years of Baby Doc’s Liberals. Can we make it out still having a country?

Just as under his father, Papa Doc, he is dividing the country. The West gets screwed. The East has provincial governments that just sit there with their hands out expecting the Liberals to squeeze out what they can from the West, and in between all this are the people, already fed up with the Liberals; if they aren’t fed up by now, they most certainly will be fed up once the carbon tax comes in.
commented 2016-12-07 19:27:04 -0500
Jack, Agreed.

The Founding Fathers in the U.S.A. understood this, hence the original restrictions on the franchise.

De Tocqueville summed it up quite nicely:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”
commented 2016-12-07 19:11:23 -0500
Dave I would add some type of property ownership. Doesn’t have to be real estate. Or paying taxes.

The problem with the US Republic is 40% of those that vote, don’t pay taxes, so they want the goodies but at someone else’s expense. We need to disenfranchise the TAKERS.
commented 2016-12-07 16:27:51 -0500
We shouldn’t be doing the illegal immigrant’s work for her unless she hands over her paycheque to us, but if the object of the exercise is to better represent us then cut the number of ridings in half, hold an election, then appoint the first AND SECOND past the post to parliament. Instead of approximately forty-something percent of the electorate being represented now almost eighty percent of the electorate has a voice in parliament representing them. Simple, easy-peasy, and a quantum leap towards democracy.

Dave T; I like your voter eligibility criteria, especially raising the voting age. I was going to suggest that if you pay income tax then you get to vote.

Also, I remember that Maurice Potvin has previously posted some interesting, thought provoking comments on electoral improvement, but I can’t find them now. Can you re-post, Maurice?
commented 2016-12-07 16:27:29 -0500
After getting elected I suppose that JustinCompetent is entitled to believe that Canadians are generally stupid. However if you look at it, I’m sure anyone can see that this current Survey on Electoral Reform is an outright fraud and a clear reflection of the depraved ethics, infantile intelligence and self-serving intentions of the Liberal Party (yes, the whole Party since I don’t hear of any Liberals objecting to this stupid attempt to create information, especially with many Liberals who have professional experience in survey design and usage.) At least they are predictable.
commented 2016-12-07 16:22:54 -0500
Time to start the chant. “Lock her up”

WTF is Monseff doing in cabinet?? In the country for that matter?

Well done Justin, moronic scab.
commented 2016-12-07 16:08:50 -0500

Geez louise! I missed one very important ‘not’ in a rather important sentence in that survey. “not answering these questions will result in your input not being included as part of the overall results of the study.” I read it like this, ‘not answering these questions will NOT result in your input not being included as a part of the overall results of the study’. I didn’t imagine they meant those personal questions were mandatory if I wanted my say to count! What a crock!
commented 2016-12-07 15:40:43 -0500
Dave T: i wholeheartedly agreed with both of your posts. I have been saying that for some time now. Its nice to hear there are others out there with the same mind-set.
commented 2016-12-07 14:17:11 -0500
If I did want electoral reform I would expect it to be formed on a more serious level. The last thing I want is for the liberals to be in charge of it. I wouldn’t want any party to be solely in charge of it. I would expect all branches of our system of governance to be involved with every check and balance it can provide. The liberals process so far has been a farce. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this. I wonder what the bill for this charade is so far.
commented 2016-12-07 13:38:24 -0500
In the system that we have, the opposition adapts accordingly…. and if we change the electoral system, it’s foolish to believe that the opposition will not adapt to the new system. The only people wanting change are people with bad ideas… it never crosses their minds that the ideas are bad, or that they should spend more time to convince people that they are right…. as always, they want something for nothing, a type of affirmative action.
commented 2016-12-07 13:26:44 -0500
And the sheep still chatter on about how accountable and transparent they are.
commented 2016-12-07 13:26:41 -0500
I filled it out yesterday, totally twisted and misleading. You had to be very careful or you would be tricked into their preferred answer. It was a joke, a disgrace, and we deserve better. A referendum is what we deserve. The liberals are out to lunch on this. I am so sick of Monsef’s condescending smarmy responses. I resent her presence in our system of governance on any level. The whole thing is an insult.
Why is Monsef still here is a good question. But we are told it is rude, racist, and un Canadian to ask it. Hogwash I say.
commented 2016-12-07 13:25:55 -0500
Liberals acting like they care what people think or want, sorry we know that they don’t.
commented 2016-12-07 13:16:47 -0500
She is a plant from Obama!
commented 2016-12-07 12:47:32 -0500
I noted that I have misspelled this lying pos miniter’s name.
I just don’t have the time to spend to actually learn how to spell her name as if I care!
It’s probably not even her real name.
I won’t apologize for not spelling it right, she does not deserve the courtesy.
What she deserves is deportation!

commented 2016-12-07 12:30:54 -0500
I would agree with all, with the exception of not being able to vote if on Assistance, many people on public Assistance are hard working people that just got knocked down and haven’t been able to get back up yet, shouldn’t penalize them for a misfortune they have suffered.
commented 2016-12-07 12:24:56 -0500
Forgot another point in my previous post – too bad this comments section doesn’t give the ability to edit comments…

How’s this for “electoral reform”?

- Raise the voting age to 25 (with the exception of veterans and serving armed forces members)
- Voters must not be living on welfare benefits and must be employed (exception for retired seniors)
- Convicted felons and those in prison may not vote
- Voters must have a fixed address
- Student’s votes count in their home riding, not where they go to school (prevents the distortion of the vote by large quantities of left-wing students in one riding ie Queen’s University in Kingston)

Maybe some variation of the U.S. electoral college system might be useful as well, to prevent urban Ontario and Quebec hijacking our elections in perpetuity.

What say all of you?
commented 2016-12-07 12:22:03 -0500
I can not get to, keeps coming up unavailable