July 07, 2015

Niqab case UPDATE: "If you support anything traditionally Christian or Western, you're going to lose"

Brian LilleyArchive

It's not supposed to be this way, but certain rights trump other rights in Canada now.

Civil liberties groups have been denied intervenor status in a case involving the Muslim woman who wants to wear a niqab to a Canadian citizenship ceremony.

Where were these intervenors when Christians -- at Trinity Western, city councils and the Webber Academy -- needed someone to argue for their religious rights?

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commented 2015-07-08 17:06:07 -0400
Left Wing Politicians, Left Wing Judges, Left Wing Media, are all to stupid or to scared to stand up for their Country. They all like the thought of a system, Political and Judicial, that tells people what to think.
As for all the Muslim Morons, who want to cover their selves, why don’t they try Coffins, or perhaps Bury each other alive. no one would see them then and I for one , sure would not miss them. Who needs these Rectal Orifi, anyway.
commented 2015-07-08 09:55:57 -0400
Joan, if they’ll take me, I’m in. Was reading their “requirements” both on what you posted and what was on their website, and am questioning whether or not I fit in with their rules (I’m definitely not ex-military)… tho’ I’ve got the iron (Harley and Victory). I do realize this isn’t an outlaw group — wouldn’t join if it were. Would be interesting to find out what membership requirements are… there’s a local chapter of a Canada-wide group that might take me, but the requirements are more than I’m willing to perform.

Or maybe I’ll just stay independent and be a hidden thorn in their side… (from my riding gear alone, I’ve got various religious groups convinced I need “saving”… and they’re already too late — been done.)
commented 2015-07-07 23:34:30 -0400
If you are concealing your identity and I pass you in the street or in a mall, I will tell you that Canadians won’t accept concealed identity on our streets in our country.
commented 2015-07-07 23:28:11 -0400
Peter, If I were your mother I would definitely wait for the next elevator. No Canadian should have to endure that level of uncertainty. There is no way I would enter an elevator with a burka inside. NEVER.
commented 2015-07-07 23:11:21 -0400
It’s been said, where goes England-Europe, there goes Canada.
I’ve been saying, in other posts, that it is our Politicians, Bureaucrats, and Police who are selling us out.
Good posts, all.
Liza Rose says there’s not a chance the niqab and burka will be accepted in Canada.
My 4 ft. mother shares an elevator with one of those walking tents, where all you see is the eyes.
She says it’s eerie.
Christian Nielsen, I agree with your points about the white male.
I think it was the whites who spawned the fantastic technological advances of the last 150 years, or so.
Sixty-six years from Kitty Hawk to putting a man on the moon.
And with it whites spawned the massive wealth creation the world has yet seen.
And whites are becoming a minority.
commented 2015-07-07 23:00:11 -0400
Prince, love the T-shirt. Similar to the products you can buy at http://barenakedislam.com
commented 2015-07-07 22:57:55 -0400
Prince, just go to their website and you can join there. This MC is not considered an outlaw MC. It is making some officials nervous, granted, but they have no reputation for crime commission. They just held a pig roast, though, to protest Ramadan.

I may investigate myself, see if they accept women. Regular MC don’t as I’m sure you know. Also, I don’t own any American iron. However, if they take women, I bet we don’t need our own iron.

Seriously, though, the MC in the states have made significant protests of Muslim bullying. They drove in the thousands to protest that ground zero Mosque proposal. They also protested outside the mosque of the jihadis who tried to attack Pam Geller and Geert Wilders at the Draw Muhammad contest in Texas.

I personally will support any Infidels MC with a membership of ex-military, military contractors and other similar folks qualified to fight domestic terrorism. I’m in. Are you?
commented 2015-07-07 21:57:43 -0400
You could put that on the front and a beaver humping mohammad on the back!!!!
commented 2015-07-07 21:07:12 -0400
Gotta get referred, Joan. You know an Infidel’s MC member? or an IMC recruiter? Shame I don’t…
commented 2015-07-07 21:03:41 -0400
By the way, the Infidels MC accepts International Memberships on a case by case basis. Let’s make this resistance global, folks, just like the anti-Christian, anti-Jew, hell, anti-everyone-who-is-not-a-raving-radical-jihadi is. Time for face off.
commented 2015-07-07 20:59:38 -0400
This is the Infidels Mission Statement:

“Mission Statement

Infidels Motorcycle Club is a veteran formed and based MC for Patriotic Americans and our supporting allies.
Definition of an Infidel: One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle.
The Infidels MC reject the radical jihadist movement that threatens liberty and freedom around the world. The Infidels MC will support the fight against terrorism as military members, contractors in support of the military, and as patriotic Americans supporting our fighting forces from the homeland.

Information regarding Club Bylaws will be provided to Club prospects through your recruiter. Members will find the information in the members only area of the bulletin board. For those interested in becoming a member or supporter, or if you’d like more information regarding the Club you can submit the form found here. Your recruiter or other designated member will tell you the requirements regarding membership. We do require that you ride American Iron to be a member. We are an independent motorcycle club.

This site is accessible using http://www.infidelsmc.com, http://www.infidelsmc.us, and http://www.originalinfidelsmc.com "
commented 2015-07-07 18:52:18 -0400
They told me to worry about others feelings, to worry about their feelings the way that I worry about my own. They told me if I did this that they would worry about my feelings and that we would all be better off for it. I believed them because I was led to believe them, because everyone around me believed them and because we would all live in a multicultural society side by side in a beautiful mosaic of solidarity.
I’ve come to learn that it was never the case that the majority would envelope the minority in a loving embrace, but rather that rapacious minorities would bind to form the tail that wags the dog. Everywhere I go I’m told to respect others, their beliefs and feelings, but my own beliefs are cast aside in the political torrent of correctness, and if you’re not politically correct than your beliefs don’t matter. It is not that I’m a renegade, a racist, xenophobe or enemy of those who are not like me; it is that I am me, a white male in a world which has come to the conclusion that I am at fault for the faults in others by the very nature of my father’s progeny.
So now I live in a world which is ever shifting in the direction of political intolerance bred out of a demand for political tolerance. How ironic that the very thing which was meant to save the world seeks to destroy the children of those who made it. I often hear about the horrors white males inflicted upon the world, the wars we started, the pollution we created, the women we battered, the minorities we enslaved, the systems of totalitarianism and capitalist despotism we unleashed upon the world. There are whole movements bent on our destruction, or at least the destruction of the world we created. Whether this is right or wrong I don’t necessarily want to get into, mostly because by arguing for the world we live in those same forces would turn on me; I would be ripped apart like a carcass left for a buzzard, no one to help me, because god help me, I am my mother and father’s son.
Seeking to labor in this new world order will be different, it will be a battle upstream against a rush of affirmative action like a great wave in a wild rapid it will churn out many victims. There is a perception that being white and male means privilege, this provides the perfect cover for voracious attacks in the name of equality. Entire government departments actively seek to exclude white males and morph themselves into twisted self righteous bodies’ intent on having the most politically appealing persona.
Minorities (which are no longer minorities) are represented by lawyers seeking fame, politicians seeking shelter from the storm, unions seeking votes and the majority of others out of fear, fear that to state the obvious will be lambasted as hate speech or xenophobia. There are entire populations pushing for new laws which will enslave one group to another, women to Muslims, Christians to homosexual rights groups and children to the encroachment of the state. But to point any of this out is blasphemy, a hedonistic proclamation against the new ivory tower of progressiveness.
commented 2015-07-07 17:48:53 -0400
I like your idea, Kelvin :)

I’m waiting for the “trolls” and nay-sayers to have a royal, hairy conniption about how we can’t do that… ;)
commented 2015-07-07 15:12:45 -0400
Maybe it’s time when all oath takers in Canada stood up to anybody that wants to tear down our way of life.
There is an organization in the USA called oath takers of America, they are mainly military, police, firefighters and ems personnel. They came to the aid of Cliven Bundy when he had a stand off with the BLM when they wanted to cease his land. They are in California protecting a mine and miners rights from the state that literally said that they want to burn down their mining operation.
I wonder if the same concept would fly here. When we see these minority groups that insist on holding our charter of rights and freedoms hostage( you can take your pick which group there are so many now a days) that the oath takers of Canada can swoop in and remind these people that they are in fact the minority and that Canada will not stand for this kind of behaviour. They like to hide behind the laws, and in most cases the law or judges for that matter are wrong and are missing the true meaning of the charter. This could qualify as a civil war. Oath Takers of Canada, has a nice ring to it.
commented 2015-07-07 14:09:49 -0400
That would be appropriate, and just. She has proven she would not make a good Canadian citizen, as she is not interested in assimilating into our society, and having allegiance to Canada only, which is a prerequisite is it not?

It is a very good thought. Why in the heck should she be allowed to take the oath at all. How do you come to a country and even before you are a citizen start making demands to be accommodated. You come to a new country you need to be the one to accommodate. Why would we want her as a citizen when the first thing she wants to do is change our laws.
commented 2015-07-07 13:42:21 -0400
A thought:
Why couldn’t this woman, who doesn’t want to adhere to Canadian law and remove her face covering during the Citizenship Oath ceremony, be told that we don’t want her as a citizen, and she’s not allowed to take the oath at all?
commented 2015-07-07 13:40:04 -0400
I agree Prince, I think the breaking point is not that far off for most Canadians. Enough is enough. There will be some push back.
commented 2015-07-07 13:34:42 -0400
Jason, if you read that statement carefully, I wrote it, and at Liza. And what I wrote was, “…there just may be a kind of civil war… a popular backlash…”

Will there be force of arms within Canada? You’re correct: No. Will there be social retaliation? Very likely. What kind of retaliation might this be? Hard to say. Could be anything from profiling and social shunning/discrimination to outright assault. Not telling at this point. But everyday Canadians are becoming less and less tolerant of being pushed around by minorities. To a certain point, minorities have been demanding equal/respectful treatment (understandable), but they’re taking it too far and they’re now pushing their weight around. (Come on, immigrants telling us how to run our country? Telling us how they’re going to have things done? Like this would actually be tolerated if it was a Canadian telling the Pakistani government how to run things? Yeah, sure…) I’m all for freedom of religion — nobody should be told that they have to drop their beliefs on crossing our borders. But to be told that they’re going to force their beliefs on the rest of us, the majority? What hubris! Canadians will not stand for that. And some will react forcefully, others will react violently, and still others will shun the perpetrators. They don’t exist. And the perps will wonder why they’re assaulted when they try to enforce their “religion” — self defense for us, don’t you know?

This is what I wrote, and this is what I meant. It has happened before. After 9/11, there were mosques firebombed. Muslims were profiled and held in suspicion. It will happen again, should this attempt at Sharia law become serious.
commented 2015-07-07 12:43:06 -0400
Liza said: “If this petition gets approved, then there just may be a kind of civil war in Canada, where there is a popular backlash against Islam.”

I can assure you with great certainty, that a civil war won’t happen. We as Canadians don’t have the conviction or the cajones to even try anything remotely close to that. You’ll hear a lot of barking but no bite behind the jaws. Sadly, we as a society have become so complacent in my opinion, most Canadians don’t fight for what is right. Not in any monumental way anyways. I agree that’s what needs to happen, but it won’t.
commented 2015-07-07 11:41:13 -0400
One MORE “unintended consequence” of the Supreme Court of Canada’s sticking its Liberal nose into the laws of Canada when they legalised the change of definition of “marriage”……and it just keeps coming. Oh, the “lefties” and “nose-in-the-air” ‘social elites’ WILL have their ‘result’…but they WON’T LIKE IT. The Backlash is going to be something terrible to behold, when REAL Canadians, that is…those who BELIEVE in Canada, its culture, heritage AND traditions…and came here for that very reason……..of all cultures…finally say “ENOUGH”…. I know that it takes a LOT to get Canadians to that point….but, mark my words, it WILL happen.

What can government do? FIRST….STOP immigration of people who are “incompatible” with the basic values and way of life of Canada…..those who will NEVER “assimilate” or “integrate”…but instead want Canada and Canadians to become exactly like the third-world hell-holes from whence THEY came….rather than becoming “Canadian”. SURE we are a welcoming people, enjoying the ‘spice’ that immigrants bring…..except when they try to FORCE US to be exactly like….THEM.. “ENOUGH”!!.
commented 2015-07-07 11:23:54 -0400
There is no Canadian any more

Your rights will ALWAYS be superseded by the minority in question.

And people wonder why I have no respect for judges
commented 2015-07-07 11:07:40 -0400
You are absolutely right Prince. and I agree.
commented 2015-07-07 10:18:20 -0400
Liza — it has nothing whatsoever to do with this “woman” wanting to become Canadian. It has everything to do with minority politics, and law-changing. It has everything to do with “advancing the Muslim cause”.

What we need is a government that will take our corrupt and oxygen-deprived judicial body in hand, and force it to deal with the laws of the land, instead of re-writing those laws and following minority politics. If this situation were reversed, if a Canadian ostensibly emigrating to another country demanded certain rights not available in that country, would that Canadian succeed? He/she would be tossed out on his/her ear! Why do we, as mild-mannered Canadians, tolerate this minority crap? A case involving four complainants not wanting to swear allegiance to the Queen in taking the Citizenship Oath got denied. But those complainants weren’t Muslim, were they? Why should this be any different?

If this petition gets approved, then there just may be a kind of civil war in Canada, where there is a popular backlash against Islam. And that I hope never to see…
commented 2015-07-07 09:58:30 -0400
doesn’t it smell odd…will the steps taken lead us down a path that will be hard to reverse…but is it not what some want? choa? and who will step in…could get scary in a few years…
commented 2015-07-07 09:42:19 -0400
This will never fly in Canada. Most Canadians will never accept the Niqab or full bee suit. Not on our streets, let alone agree that it makes sense to hide ones identity during citizenship ceremonies. It is too ridiculous to be happening surely!

That women does not want to be a Canadian and should go back to Pakistan where she would clearly be more comfortable.

Distrust and social unrest is already the order of the day. A little more heat and the pot will boil. We had better make some big changes to our immigration policy and stop the problem at the door. Things are bad now, how will you feel when Canada is so watered down you can’t even recognise it. We are almost there.
commented 2015-07-07 09:29:49 -0400
March 2015 Edmonton: Active Citizen – Free News Sharing – If You Cover Up Your Face Get Out Of Canada – YouTube:
commented 2015-07-07 09:16:00 -0400
Ontario commision of human right , guess who’s in charge of that leftist propaganda tool.?
commented 2015-07-07 07:59:05 -0400
Right on Brian.