May 09, 2015

Ontario: Diplomats, other elites pay almost half what you do for alcohol

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Ontario residents get hosed when they are forced to buy high priced, heavily taxed alcohol from the government store but it turns out there are special deals for embassies and governments departments that get huge discounts you can't get.

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commented 2015-05-13 12:16:58 -0400
Admittedly, my statement “If you disagree, then maybe that’s reflective of your problem” could have been better worded. I was not implying that you, Terry, had “a problem”. I meant to say that your disagreement might be indicative of a problem you had, if any.

I apologize for any confusion.

- William F. Sheehan
Toronto, Ontario
commented 2015-05-13 12:05:58 -0400

I admitted, twice, that I might have to stand corrected, regarding the LCBO thing. Did you read my words?
So, what more do you want, Terry?
Don’t like me pointing out that Toronto’s City Hall is largely corrupt?
There is no “BS” anywhere in that related material.

I should not have to cite documents for everything I say – especially, since, when I do comment, I usually know my subject (the LCBO matter being a possible uncommon exception).

If you disagree, then maybe that’s reflective of your problem.

Regarding the LCBO, however, I did not do thorough research, on the issue, but, initially, commented in haste. (Which goes against my usual rule, for commenting.)

Instead, I believed my neighbour and, simply, passed that reflection along.
Incidentally, I still do believe my neighbour – especially, since I found no hard evidence to disprove him and, experience taught me to distrust many politicians/bureaucrats.
I think my neighbour witnessed what he did and I doubt that you were there.

If you think I’ve gotten something – anything – wrong, however, then quote it, exactly, and I’ll try my best to make further comment(s).

Alternatively, send me an email, at: and I’ll get back to you asap.

With possible exception of my original LCBO statement (below), though, I’m not retracting anything.

- William F. Sheehan
Toronto, Ontario
commented 2015-05-11 16:17:26 -0400
Sorry, William. With all respect, that “evidence” is not actually very compelling. And since no-one else, including Mr. Lilley, have offered any explanation or evidence for his assertion, I’m going to call BS.
Yes, diplomats can purchase items here without paying local taxes, as our diplomats abroad can in the country in which they’re serving.
commented 2015-05-11 15:19:41 -0400
Having said all that (below), I do not think that diplomats should be given a 49% discount, on their booze. If I want to buy alcohol, in their country, then I would have to pay their tax. So, they should pay our tax, too!

- William F. Sheehan
Toronto, Ontario
commented 2015-05-11 14:55:41 -0400
I might have to stand corrected.

4 years ago, my neighbour (now deceased) angrily-reported seeing our lousy councillor, at the local LCBO, completing a related form, at the cash register. The municipal politician was apparently hosting a BBQ and the form would apparently allow him to receive a 49% discount, on his alcoholic purchases. My neighbour said he was standing directly behind the politician, when the incident was happening.

This did not surprise me, because it sounded like something that politician would do. In addition, that was the same politician who – although having been paid about $100,000.00 per year – had the gall to make taxpayers cover the cost of his 3 golf balls. On other occasions, he ‘nickled and dimed’ taxpayers, by expensing a tie, a milkshake, a hotdog, plus other small items. (You can verify them, at the City’s website.) Last time I checked, it looked like taxpayers were even covering the cost of the guy’s home internet. So, I guess taxpayers were paying for his porn, too!

There is an abusive ‘culture of entitlement’, at Toronto’s largely-corrupt City Hall.

Another aspect which made my neighbour sound believable was that his account seemed too detailed, to be incorrect. Also, there appeared to be a ‘logic’ about what he was saying.

Rather than give me an emphatic “No”, today, however, when I asked an LCBO spokesperson, whether a non-diplomat could get the 49% discount, she said it was “highly-unlikely”.

The reason why diplomats got the discount, she explained, was because they did not pay taxes, in Canada. I could read “more” about it, she said, at the LCBO website.

Yet, I could find nothing there.

According to Foreign Affairs, though, commencing on June 24, 2013, the 49% discount would be provided to anyone who was “officially recognized by the Federal Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT)”. [See:] This description, though, sounded like it was for more than just some one who was a diplomat.

The spokesperson also mentioned that, at one time, a person who worked in the LCBO office, which was responsible for handling the discount, had been arrested and jailed, for, apparently, distributing fake permissions.

Similarly, she said, there might have been “some hanky panky” regarding the politician about which my neighbour was complaining.

So, I might have to stand corrected.

-William F. Sheehan
Toronto, Ontario
commented 2015-05-10 13:50:30 -0400
William, if true, that would certainly shed some light on the Ford mayoralty. But I was unaware that “Toronto’s municipal politicians also get the same deep discount, on booze”. Can you provide a link to your source for that observation?
commented 2015-05-10 13:41:07 -0400
Toronto’s municipal politicians also get the same deep discount, on booze.

It’s sickening!

- William F. Sheehan
Toronto, Ontario
commented 2015-05-10 13:26:56 -0400
Sin tax for the but not for me – is the likely crux of this rant. Beyond hat it exposes the taxation and supply/marketing control mechanisms in the commodity supply chain passed to consumers – it isn’t just booze folks.
commented 2015-05-10 11:04:21 -0400
Dips can also import booze and tobacco products from their homelands without any of the tax or duty nuisances that plague ordinary mortals. At one time some cigarette companies even had special “diplomat” oriented 20 cigarette packaging to help Canadian dips wave the flag overseas. Of course since most countries produced better cigarettes, the chief consumers were often “homesick Canadian expatriates” bumming smokes from the Consul every time he opened a new pack and tried to offer one to a local big shot at a reception.
commented 2015-05-10 10:22:48 -0400
Diplomats are exempt from most sales taxes. I guess focusing on on alcohol provides an excuse for using the Animal House clip, and allows Lilley to trot out his faux-populist schtick.
This is true across Canada; but of course, theRabble has a special relationship with Ontario.
And of course, Canadian diplomats and consular staff get the same deal in countries with whom Canada has a reciprocal agreement.
Can anyone shed any light on Lilley’s coy, unexplained references to “government departments and civil service” elites getting a comparable deal?
commented 2015-05-10 09:39:43 -0400
I have always liked that guy’s rants. They are usually on the mark. But here in lays the problem, if all the parties are doing the same promises and lies until they get in and they “do whatever the hell they want” then for whom do we vote?

If that clip is to be applied to the Alberta situation ,then the NDP (not being the red or blue), are the proper choice and they are new and fresh. Problem is, the NDP have proven themselves in other provinces. Sure, anbother NDP aprty with different people, but the same policies, the same high ideals that will bankrupt Alberta.

I feel for the British people, I really do. They are a pattern of what will happen in this country. They are just ahead of us is all.

What can be done about the whole corrupted system other than a violent revolution? (of which, btw, I am NOT at all suggesting be done.)
commented 2015-05-10 09:29:13 -0400
Joan, that’s appalling. I had no idea that Horvath endorses FGM and child marriage, or has suggested that honour beatings, rapes and killings be removed from the criminal code. Did I miss the flyer?
commented 2015-05-10 09:16:28 -0400
Peter – this applies as well to Alberta and Ontario as to Britain:
commented 2015-05-10 08:55:17 -0400
Joan – “And we think the economy is bad now”

And wait until Alberta can no longer supply equalization payments. That will make it worse yet. The remaining two “have” provinces will not be able to supply the demand from the other provinces. I foresee some belt tightening coming up for the “have not” provinces.
commented 2015-05-10 08:51:02 -0400
Yawn. I don’t drink booze. Hydro, I pay, and that just went up again on first of May. And we think the economy is bad now. Wait until horwath takes over in 2018 after those sex-ed disaffected who elected Brown drive Ontario even further left with their intolerance of difference and unwillingness to teach children FGM, child marriage and honour beatings, rapes and killings are crimes in Canada.
commented 2015-05-09 20:09:08 -0400
If that is really the removal of taxes from when Government Employees buy alcohol, that’s insanely retarded.

I just can not find more words to describe the level of disgust with this… I’m still shaking my head…
commented 2015-05-09 20:00:05 -0400
That’s it! I’m putting in for diplomatic status, if at least so I pay the true cost of goods in this soviet quagmire. You looking at the new ambassador from Skrewedovertaxpayerdonia – our embassy is kitty corner to the LCBO warehouse – now gimme my diplomatic immunity from government inflated consumer goods.
commented 2015-05-09 17:02:50 -0400
Orwell would be proud – two sets of rules. One set for us, and another set for foul communist PIGS like Wynne.
commented 2015-05-09 14:36:32 -0400
1) Thx for the hilarious Jim Belushi in “Animal House” clip.
2) Great video angle! I like this edgy “Max Headroom” angle alot better than the “straight on” CBC Reporter with Cameraguy angle shot. Sort of reminds me of the radical MuchMusic “sideways/bob & weave” view that sets you apart. (A Canadian of course – who I want you to interview)
3) Great content.
[Hindered by centralised market forces: A long queue forms in Novokuznetsk for bacon and other meat from the butcher at a state-run market]
commented 2015-05-09 14:29:59 -0400
It’s always been the way. The common man gets screwed by the government and the rich.