February 16, 2016

Ontario taxpayers to give "rich show-offs" up to $10K if they buy an electric car

Rebel Staff

The government of Ontario will now give away free money to people who buy electric cars.

These are luxury vehicles bought almost exclusively by rich snobs them to signal how virtuous they are. 

No one real buys electric cars, because they don’t work. They have an extremely limited mileage, for one thing. Or, they cheat: they have two engines, an electric one and a gas one, like the Prius. 

As for Tesla, it isn’t a car company. It’s a PR company that happens to sell a few cars. (And you can’t take them on the highway, or your battery will die...)

But so what? Kathleen Wynne loves them and is giving your money away to people who drive them.

Tesla buyers will get $3,000, thanks to you.

And they'll get up to ten grand for buying other, crummier electric cars.

I guess it’s more fun to give money to rich show-offs and tap into Tesla’s cool image, than to talk about serious things, like taxes, debt, and the continent’s highest electricity prices.

(PHOTO: Martino Castelli)

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commented 2016-02-20 14:06:41 -0500
Ec ..your tesla comment is typical left wing spin doctoring.. You take the one top end vehicle in that category and stack it up against the top ten in another category… They compete for sales against each other for their sales …so did it out sell all of them combined that might be worth a thought . Thanks for your spin though you should be a msm reporter you have a characteristic that fits … Your full of shttt
commented 2016-02-18 00:20:37 -0500
So the Ontario Liberals want to give rich people a big chunk of cash to buy electric cars in order to save the planet.This can only mean one thing.Wynne and her liberal flunkies are planning on buying themselves new cars.God bless the sacrifices they are willing to make with our money.
commented 2016-02-17 16:58:09 -0500
Charging an electric car only makes sense where the power is obtained from a clean source like falling water . . . ergo the namesake “HYDRO”. In Ontario an electric car is just a status symbol, with our convoluted mess of a system paying for solar & wind first while simultaneously dumping gas plant & nuclear power. This added to losses in the charging of a battery & discharging it all works against the electric car.

If you are worried about your footprint just support Alberta Oil & drive an efficient regular car . . .

These are FACTS not BS.
commented 2016-02-17 16:46:14 -0500
Dave Grohn
I was reading on up the page and I came to Paul Belangers and his article made me think of MadMax ,then I came to your place and you nailed it——-too funny!!
commented 2016-02-17 16:28:45 -0500
If people are serious about saving the environment why do they need the government to subsidize making the planet green? Put your money where your mouths are.
If the Ontarian liberals are giving grants to buy electric cars, there will be less gasoline being bought which means the government will have less money from petro taxes. Wouldn’t one question where they will make up the short fall?
Liberals are the masters of deception, have to give credit where credit is due. If you live in Ontario you might want to ask this question.
commented 2016-02-17 16:18:01 -0500
all the more reason to drive my rust bucket 85 dodge half ton camouflage redneck truck with big lights on top and big winch bumper. i will hang a dead deer from my truck crane, put my redneck hunting rifles on the gun rack in the window and drive around these fruity high class snoberhoods just to be a fucking eye sore and piss off all the spoiled yuppies. maybe in the process i will get a following and next thing you know there will be a convoy of post apocalyptic road warrior mad max vehicles from hell to put on a nice little nuisance parade for them. duck dynasty beards and banjo deliverance music included.
commented 2016-02-17 16:01:25 -0500
That way they can rape the citizens even more on their hydro bill.
commented 2016-02-17 14:34:38 -0500
“they only sold 50,000? you even said yourself they cost 100K, selling 50,000 vehicles at 100K each gives you 5 billion dollars, you clearly cant do any basic math. "
Why you Are not a businessman. After the cost of production of course there is little left of the 5 billion dollars.

“you cant drive a Tesla on the highway or they die? what kind of BS comment is that? you clearly have no clue WTF you are talking about. People have already driven across the united states, LA to NY in less than 3 days, so most certainly you can. "
This is possible only because of the limited amount of Tesla and other electric vehicles on the road. Once you have 50,000,000 electrics on the roads you will be waiting three days just to get a recharge or battery swap.
When all the hype concerning the “new green energy crap” fades and reality sets in as it ages and you have hundreds of thousands of poorly maintained wind generators and solar stations/panels all over the nation, failing and in need of repair. blah!
commented 2016-02-17 14:04:10 -0500
“People have already driven across the united states, LA to NY in less than 3 days, so most certainly you can. " ? ? ?
They did that by likely replacing batteries several times a day at or near the car’s maximum distance. I could not do that as the infrastructure does NOT exist.
The Fact that electric cars and hybrids take much more out of the environment to build they is another concern. They are far from “Green” . . . and unless you are using it for a Taxi . . . is is difficult to make a cost benefit conclusion for the average consumer.
commented 2016-02-17 13:37:15 -0500
you cant drive a Tesla on the highway or they die? what kind of BS comment is that? you clearly have no clue WTF you are talking about. People have already driven across the united states, LA to NY in less than 3 days, so most certainly you can.

they only sold 50,000? you even said yourself they cost 100K, selling 50,000 vehicles at 100K each gives you 5 billion dollars, you clearly cant do any basic math.

the tesla outsold every single class competitor in the US for 2015
Audi A7, A8, BMW 6 and 7 series, Jag XJ, Lexus LS, MB CLS and S class, porsche panemera.

this is possibly the most stupid video and uninformed video i have ever seen in my life.
commented 2016-02-17 11:13:45 -0500
The gov’t used to pay us to convert to natural gas or propane. I had 3 vehicles on natural gas. Even had a pump at the house. Funny how they stopped that program.
I had typically 3 tanks which were heavy and changed the handling characteristics OT the vehicles. I saved about 40% using natural gas but it was a pain and I had to switch to gas as they were all dual fuel. You also lost a lot of power.
commented 2016-02-17 11:13:20 -0500
This is pay back for the unions support!
commented 2016-02-17 10:57:05 -0500
I used to get a new car every 3-4 years, but since I retired I got rid of our second car and bought my Jetta TDI off my lease. It was $2000 below market and I knew the car. I spend less than $50 a month on diesel.
Before I retired the TDI saved me $3000 a year in fuel costs. Electric is a risky move and would take more the $10000 to get me into one.
commented 2016-02-17 09:54:51 -0500
I walk everywhere and ride a bike. I have my license and keep that updated, but I got rid of my car and insurance about four years back due to chronic transmission problems. I got tired of my money being sucked out from under me due to the cost of insurance, gas wars and maintenance on a piece of crap metal that depreciates in value. At first it bothered me that I couldn’t just hop in my car and go, but as time went on I realized I was more physically fit and saved a bunch of money in gas, upkeep and insurance. Not to mention I could take that money being thrown to the wind in a vehicle and put it into renovations of my home, increasing its equity. Yes, I know many people have to drive and it isn’t an option not to, however, I wonder where do people plug in with these electric cars? I see only one plug located behind the main street of our town and only one car that ever uses it. I have to laugh at the stupid car commercials too. They try to play it up like the car they are promoting will “save your life” with all its nifty gadgets, voice activated maps and super cool anti theft, anti accident drivel. lololz
commented 2016-02-17 08:04:03 -0500
“So a tax payer spent $ 40 k on an energy efficient car and they get a little back so what! It sounds like some one investing in people not some shady mafia run infrastructure project.”

Holy mackerel, JYLL. “Investing in people”! That’s what I call sleazespeak. It could have been pulled right off the front page of a Liberal promotional brochure.

Oh well, in today’s world, where literally usually means figuratively, I guess that investment can mean divestment. The public seems to swallow anything.
commented 2016-02-17 00:30:44 -0500
Here’s more reasons… Electric Vehicles Waste Tax-dollars

The BC Liberal Gov’t announces new $10.6 million program to make clean energy vehicles more affordable.

We in BC are $66 thousand million (66 billion) in debt, but no problem, we can just tax, spend and subsidize our way to prosperity.
No money for schools but hey lets borrow another $10.6 million tax/debt and give it to our friends ‘in the name of environmentalism’.

The ‘Clean Energy Vehicle’ (CEV) are spun as “incentives” rather than ‘subsidies’ to ease your suspicious pain, for new electric/hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
$5000 off list price goes to the new car dealer, $6,000 for a hydrogen CEV.

Then there is the smooth talking “investment” subsidies in the charging stations infrastructure around the province. http://www.fraserbasin.bc.ca/ http://pluginbc.ca/

BC Hydro (in huge debt) can give away free taxpayer electricity at these ‘slow charge’ (approx. 4-8 hrs. depending on battery status) stations.
With a 2 hr limit on the parking space (so you don’t park overnight), you could leave your car at a charging parking space, take a taxi to your hotel and go back every 2 hrs. to restart the charge process.

There are only approx. 8 – ‘quick charge’ (approx.20 min. to 2 hr.) stations of 13 proposed in Metro Vancouver area and have a $2.00 min then 35 cents KW hour rate, (compared to 12 cents KW hour residential rate). We in Langley have 1- quick charge at the Events Centre and 6 other slow chargers.
That doesn’t include the subsidized, dedicated exclusive parking spaces for the chargers which will hardly ever be used, at approx. $40-50,000 each (depending on location). Plus $ maintenance, vandalism etc.

Don’t forget the wasted tax-dollar grants and subsidies to manage the promotion and spin www.cevforbc.ca program, like the ‘Fraser Basin Council’, and ‘Plug-in-BC’ etc.
Electric cars don’t emit CO2 on the road but the energy used for their manufacture and battery-charges far negate any benefits. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324128504578346913994914472.html
commented 2016-02-17 00:16:14 -0500
Wynne is copying exactly the corrupt crony politics of BC….A lot of the ploy is payback to the New Car Dealerships who donated big time to the BC Lib’s election Campaign so now they get reimbursed big time with our laundered tax-dollars.
Read this……..

Electric Cars Enviro Benefits are Bogus

Bjorn Lomborg, renown author of ‘The skeptical Environmentalist’ and ‘Cool it’ reveals Green Cars have a dirty little secret.
Electric cars don’t emit CO2 on the road but the energy used for their manufacture and battery-charges far negates any benefits.

Yet another study confirms what has been long known as a 2012 life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost 50% of the lifetime CO2 emissions come from the energy used to produce the electric car, especially the battery. Compare that to the manufacture of a gas-powered car at 17% of it’s lifetime CO2 emissions.
The electric car fresh off the production line has already used up the equivalent of 80,000 miles (128,700 km) of travel emissions, more than twice that of the gas car.

Consider the limitations for example, long recharging times, the Nissan Leaf has only 73 miles (117 km) per charge however after 5 years as the batteries fade, the charge/range drops to 55 miles, (88km).
The report concludes, as a way to tackle global warming the electric car does virtually nothing and the government subsidies are a very poor deal for taxpayers.

Our BC Liberals ignore the real science and continue to buy elite votes with our taxdollars as they subsidize each new hybrid/electric $5,000 plus $500 to install a charging station at home. Another $6.28 million for ‘Community Charging Infrastructure Fund’ for 570 public charging stations and upgrades around the province, to Prince Rupert. Plus many more Liberal riding campaign subsidies to local governments for charging stations to try to influence green voters.

Without subsidies electric vehicles would not be selling on their own merits as they are inefficient in cold Canadian winters. Instead of $40,000 for a Chevy Volt Hybrid, a $20,000 regular gas car will get better mileage.

The ‘elec/hybrid’ is merely a status symbol, which has about a 15 year average payback period, unless of course you get free electricity.
People who purchase elec/hybrids are higher income earners, so through taxes, it’s the struggling lower income class subsidizing the more affluent class.

The market is the best judge whether gas, diesel, electric, hybrid cars are used, not the government trying to pick winners and losers with no regard for our tax-dollars.
commented 2016-02-17 00:09:05 -0500
Ezra buddy, as a Rebel supporter and reader, I wish this strange article wouldn’t have appeared this way. The US subsidized hummers and gas guzzlers in the ninetys, how is this different ?. Ontario has programs to subsidize solar power and crazy wind, how is thi different? The newer Model 3 wil have an average cost of $ 35,000.00 the price of any newer car so the subsity reflects the cost. I read that you get a slightly hig subsity for the lower costing vehicles and alot less for the $ 90,000.00 vehcles.
The idea is this will engage people to consider greener choices in purchases by actually giving back to the taxpayer instead of pocketing the cash like all Liberals do.
So a tax payer spent $ 40 k on an energy efficient car and they get a little back so what! It sounds like some one investing in people not some shady mafia run infrastructure project.
By the way you might want to test drive the product before bashing it, they are not crummy as you state.
Still support freedom of opinion for yhe rebel but don’t get caught like the CBC spouting first glance kneejerk reaction to things that are occuring. Investigate, research then express informed pinions please.
Tesla still needs oil products fot lubricants and plastics.
commented 2016-02-17 00:02:48 -0500
Acuuna – good one bros! lol

Jan. Do you know how big those batteries are? What %, if any is recyclable? Could you imagine, if we all bought one tomorrow, and then in 3 or 4 yrs when all the batteries die and we start dumping them in dumps what a massive issue this would be?

Besides range, there’s an issue with plugging them in. There’s an awful lot of street parking in Toronto.
The there’s the issue of the amount of electricity needed to charge everyone’s car if we were all using them. You’d have to build umpteen nuke plants, and Lefty’s are against them. It just isn’t that easy.

Building a zero emissions car is not hard, they’re just too stupid (or over-educated) to think of it.
commented 2016-02-16 23:41:36 -0500
I have a better one for the environment… it’s called a horse. since the regressive progressives are moving backwards in the name of progress, a horse should become all the fashion in about ten minutes.
commented 2016-02-16 23:25:46 -0500
To be fair the problems with electric cars should be overcome in 2017. The GM Bolt should get 300 miles and cost $30,000 after government grants. The Tesla sedan should be out in one or two years in a similar price range. The biggest problem will be cheap gas prices which takes away the incentive for going electric. Most car dealers hide their electrics and take no pleasure in selling them because there is so little profit. The truth is electric cars are essentially below cost and a terrific bargain. They have practically no maintenance and can power your home or cottage in a pinch. But it’s a hard sell when gas is cheap.
commented 2016-02-16 23:24:32 -0500
AT .08 cents a kwh a Tesla is the equivalent of 93mpg. At Ontario rates its probably 40mpg, so the governments poor management is a serious problem. They are offering a subsidy while killing off the potential for sales. ?
commented 2016-02-16 21:43:24 -0500
Well the Tesla is extreme pricewise. Other hybrids such as Prius or the Ford C-Max would not be economic without the subsidy. However Whinny (Wynne the horseface) is gung ho on green energy. I cannot see pure electric cars that you plug in at todays hydro rates.
commented 2016-02-16 21:40:28 -0500
$10K is what it will cost to replace those lead batteries after 3 years.

Diesel and natgas are the future.
commented 2016-02-16 20:51:05 -0500
And these cash giveaways are creating how many manufacturing jobs in Ontario?
commented 2016-02-16 19:41:38 -0500
Taxpayer money?

That is MY money!

Giving it away?

commented 2016-02-16 19:36:01 -0500
Huh? The range on the batteries of a Tesla range from 390 km to 500 km, depending on capacity. And they are improving all the time. Doesn’t seem useless to me. And how is a Prius cheating? It uses way less gas than a conventional car because the electric engine does some things and the gas engine does other things.

This is a weird article.
commented 2016-02-16 19:13:47 -0500
I am glad I am forewarned I didn’t realize they were that useless!