April 03, 2015

Ontario to bring in cap and trade

Brian LilleyArchive

Ontario is set to join Quebec and California in a cap and trade system for greenhouse gases The Globe and Mail reports.

The move, if it comes to fruition, would mean 60 percent of Canada's population would be covered by cap and trade.

Ontario Environment Minister Glen Murray is expected to present the plan to cabinet for approval within the next 10 days. It is believed to have widespread support among ministers already, one source said. The broad outlines of the system will be announced some time this spring – possibly around an interprovincial climate summit in Quebec City on April 13 – with full details worked out over the coming months.

According to the report, the introduction of the cap and trade system would raise between $1 billion and $2 billion per year depending on the price of carbon credits. That money would be raised by charging industry to emit greenhouse gases. That cost would eventually be passed onto consumers through increased prices but unlike a  direct carbon tax would be more difficult to track.

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commented 2015-04-06 19:32:30 -0400
Liza – The writ will be dropped tomorrow in Alberta and the PCs will win. Alberta’s only hope is to elect a strong Wildrose opposition. Danielle Smith could have assured us that but wasn’t smart enough. I knew it all along; never trusted her, now I know why.
commented 2015-04-06 16:12:00 -0400
That is true Valerie, but at least Sask. has enough employment to keep themselves, as well as the loser provinces , afloat with out too much in house suffering. They run a pretty tight ship. Alberta is so pitiful these days, I wonder how long they are going to stay afloat without taking their taxpayers down.
commented 2015-04-06 13:42:43 -0400
Liza – It doesn’t matter if people move to Saskatchewan or Alberta; they’ll still be paying Ontario’s bills. With the new 2015 Parliamentary seat increases, Alberta will be have the lowest representation per capita and Saskatchewan’s will stay the same. Population increases will only serve to decrease the per capita representation of those 2 provinces, while will population decreases will increase Ontario’s per capita representation as people flee Ontario.
commented 2015-04-06 13:16:03 -0400
Like the Marxist down south, everything the Ontario Liberals do is aimed at destroying Ontario. Anyone who doesn’t see that is willfully blind. Ontario could have been on the path to recovery if voters had chosen a Conservative government. Now you’re getting that for which you asked. And yes, I know not all Ontario voters voted that way but a majority did. Ontario will never recover from the damage these unprincipled, uncaring, selfish and just downright stupid politicians will do.
commented 2015-04-05 22:32:22 -0400
As long as Wall in in Sask. that province will never go cap and trade. I hope the people of that province continue to appreciate him. Thats where you want to go if you want a job, and a decent quality of life. ) The only politicians I have heard dis, Wall are, Wynne, and Pauline Marois, I wonder why.
commented 2015-04-05 19:23:44 -0400
Liza one post you try to explain cap and trade and in another post you post nothing but personal attacks against the leader of a province.
In neither post do you comment on
the topic
commented 2015-04-04 15:49:01 -0400
“Under a cap-and-trade system, the government caps the amount of carbon that can be burnt, and raises money by auctioning off permits to companies that plan to create greenhouse-gas emissions. Companies that want to burn more than their share must buy permits from other companies that have burned less. By comparison, a carbon tax, such as the one in force in British Columbia, simply puts a price on every tonne of carbon burned, and the cost motivates industry and consumers to curb their emissions.”
It is a wealth distribution tool.
Quebec got a carbon tax in 2007
B.C. in 2008 ,(at the pumps 7.2 cents a litre)
Then B.C. gives back a refundable “Climate Action Tax Credit” for low income people.
It seems convoluted. Lots of extra gov. employees to implement it.
Make work project?
commented 2015-04-04 12:33:20 -0400
Otherwise its a good post though, Stephen H.
instead of , “Not tough when you see this little bleep bleep Wynne running things.” Why not switch it up with “totalitarian, lesbian” where the bleep bleep is instead.
Its a true fact, and not derogatory since she does identify as a lesbian. She must know she’s a socialist, so where’s the insult right?
I don’t have a problem with “pig at the trough”,( If the word pig is given the context of the trough) as that is what her and her Union cronies are, piggies at the taxpayers trough. So what could be construed as offensive?
Lesbian wynne, instead of the P word… Safer… : )
I would say don’t refer to her pansexual? identity at all, but it may be an issue, considering some of the problems that have come up with her educational material over the past few years, and at least one (ex)colleague, Levin, is in fact a pedophile. I say this, only because she has made her sexuality an issue, by attempting to impose a new sexual standard, instead of leaving kids to grow up to be who they are without interference. A right every kid should have in my opinion.
I wouldn’t have my kids in her educational system, and if I still lived in Ontscario, would take a hop skip and a jump over Manitoba and resettle in Saskatchewan, where some sanity still resides, at least until Ontario comes to its senses.
commented 2015-04-04 11:23:34 -0400
Robert, you hit the nail on the head, this will kill jobs and destroy the economy more than what it is, oh I forgot, that’s what liberals do.
commented 2015-04-04 10:15:59 -0400
That will drive more business out of Ont. and Quebec, raise prices and take more people out of the market place, and kill jobs.
commented 2015-04-04 10:09:43 -0400
Thank you all you yuppie climate change freaks for costing everyone all kinds of money for nothing. And could the rest of Ontario stop voting in these life sucking morons with a great pension.
commented 2015-04-04 10:05:51 -0400
Oh to have a Brad Wall and his cabinet in every province! Alas, a guy can dream!
commented 2015-04-04 09:32:49 -0400
Congratulations GTA voters. You put this party in power and now they are destroying the province that was once the ‘engine of confederation’. It is all well and good to raise two billion dollars through taxes, but these Liberal pigs never stop to ask two questions; “Where is the money actually coming from?” and “What effect will it have on the economy?” It is more than a little ironic that the ‘party of the little people’ will be inflicting this insane tax scheme on the very people that the party claims to represent; Ontario’s working poor and the unemployed.
Does anyone have any further questions about what effect radical environmentalism will have on the economy? If so, then this cap and trade programme, already proven to be a complete failure all across Europe, will put your questions to bed once and for all. Unfortunately it will be too late to do anything about it.
commented 2015-04-04 08:19:28 -0400
All I got to say is the people of Ontario voted for this Government, a government that spends like drunk sailors on shore leave for the first time, a government that wastes money by the billions, a government that wants to groom your kids sexually, a government that raises taxes more than any other province or government in the history of Canada, a government that is now raising up to 2 billion dollars on scary climate change, and does this money go to the environment, no, it is going to roads and bridges so you can spend more money driving your car and creating more money to the government while doing nothing for climate change. The future generations of will be struggling in a very hard way to be able to support oneself in Ontario. My prediction is that eventually most people will leave Ontario as it will be too unaffordable, most of the tax money will be going to interest payments. McWynn and these liberals are devastating this province and most of the people would vote for them tomorrow, why, I have no clue. The people who believe in spend, spend, spend, will one day see that you cannot keep spending someone else’s money, a bill does come in the mail eventually. Mark my words, unless people get off their assess and get to the polling booths, I have voted in every election since I was 18, local, provincial, federal, it does not matter. You should alway’s exercise your right to vote, no excuses. This is how I explain to friends, if you do not vote nor have at anytime voted then you would not care if the government removed your right to vote in an election, do you know what I got, nobody can take away my right to vote, then exercise your right to vote and vote. The last election was under 40% turn out, shame, shame, shame. Get out and vote or tomorrows children will not be able to survive in a debted province like Ontario, think of the future generations and the struggle they will have to endure because of reckless spending.
commented 2015-04-04 08:09:36 -0400
Stephen Harris, Please stop giving conservatives a bad name. There is no need for us to bring ourselves down to the level of the Wynne Socialists. There are lots of legitimate criticisms we can discuss without resorting to the words you used in your post.
commented 2015-04-04 07:27:35 -0400
Pedophile Wynne carrying out more socialism/big gubbamint ideals. The retributive part of this is that Wisconsin and Michigan just went right to work – they figured it out. So where to locate a business – in Ontario or down the highway in Michigan. Not a tough when when you see this little nazi pedophile Wynne running things. Wynne is broke and this pig will rip off where ever she can – still in the face of committing her frauds like “natgas plant” and helicopters – too many others to mention going back to McGuinty’s reign of financial terror.
commented 2015-04-04 04:35:50 -0400
Just another confiscatory tax that will remove free moving money and commerce to satisfy the Wynne “socialist” government. Pay down the debt? Reach a balanced budget? This is all one complete “sad” joke . A hoax of monstrous proportions. The most corrupt and incompetent group of elected people ever to run Ontario will have another couple of bilion to waste. Sad to say but Ontario is now just a memory. It will never ever recover from these miscreants that sadly were put into office by a hapless ,stupid and gullible electorate.
commented 2015-04-04 02:55:12 -0400
Oh, I wish we could take down Wynne and her corrupt, perverted, immoral, greedy Libtards. Unfortunately, we would be hanged for high treason, and possible insurrection. Personally, I’d run the risk, as I believe we don’t have much to lose. But many people still cling to the fear of the unknown. There are no easy answers when it comes to dealing with Wynne.
commented 2015-04-03 23:21:00 -0400
Time for Ontario’s tax strapped people to head down to Queens Park and kick Wynny out & take back our province from these crooks!
commented 2015-04-03 22:52:34 -0400
Yikes Joan. That Union bullying is spreading across the country, but I think you have it worse in Ont.
I hope the NDP split the vote as well. I encourage angry Tom to go get’em.
commented 2015-04-03 22:41:10 -0400
Jason, I live in Ontario and no, we don’t have excess income to throw away. We have bad credit, homelessness, and wicked hydro. Oh yeah, and police, health, fire and civil service unions that menaced us with reprisal, including withdrawal of service, if we didn’t vote Liberal. Watch for such tactics in the federal election too. Trudeau has already begun. My hope is Mulcair gives him a run and splits the left. In my riding, the unions have gone all out to push a star NDP candidate who is really campaigning heavily already. Every day on social media advertising with photos of him in our community. He has a shot too because our long-time Conservative MP, Barry Devolin, is stepping down. His replacement has no popular support.
commented 2015-04-03 21:04:34 -0400
Heck, I would PAY to get rid of them! :)
commented 2015-04-03 21:03:28 -0400
Not even Peter.
commented 2015-04-03 20:59:51 -0400
I know someone we could cap and trade … Wynn. To sweeten the deal, we could cap and trade Prentice too. What do you think we could get for her … and Prentice? $0.15, maybe $0.20
commented 2015-04-03 20:23:06 -0400
ROFLMAO – what next, an O2 tax? Well Ontario, kiss more of your industry and those so sought after union jobs goodbye – it just became much more expensive to do business in your province in the near future. Pretty sure your Premier just helped a couple of big Auto companies make their decisions on whether to move plants out of Ontario. And I’m sure many more industries will follow.
Best deal yet – sell absolutely nothing for a huge amount to a broker that will resell your nothing to someone else for an even bigger profit because that someone needs a certain amount of the nothing to keep the government happy and its coffers full. This solves everything.
Hey, if I agree not to fart for a year, how much will you pay me for that carbon credit?
commented 2015-04-03 20:06:29 -0400
Jason Hills – If they vote Liberal federally, the won’t have any disposable income at all. But maybe they like having all their choices taken away. Liberals usually do.
commented 2015-04-03 17:46:46 -0400
People in Ontario must have an excess of disposable income that they are willing to part with to support the bloated far left gov. they always vote in. Like really, WTF?!?
commented 2015-04-03 17:43:23 -0400
Absolutely crazy. Economic growth and benefits to us peons will be further damaged. Sounds like Agenda 21 of the UN to me. Environment first, humans last.
commented 2015-04-03 17:20:10 -0400
Foxtrot B. I think there is a place for green/electric vehicles within cities, but it can’t be gov. implemented and paid for by the taxpayer. Do you think the Parl. buildings could be run on wind and solar? Rather costly retrofit. It will happen when its viable. Until then it can remain a lovely thought. To me its some kind of moral vanity to expect that stuff should be put in place before its economically viable and efficient.
BC has wasted too much money they don’t have, on green transit vehicles, Manitoba too I believe. Transfer payments end up paying for the provinces expensive tastes. Its an extra rub since those provinces are trying to kill the golden goose (our natural resources )
Freethinker, something along those lines for sure. Gov. is way too big.
commented 2015-04-03 17:02:18 -0400
Couldn’t agree more Freethinker.