December 20, 2018

Patreon lets leftist terrorist groups fundraise, while banning “right-wing” commentators

Martina MarkotaRebel Contributor

You’ve no doubt seen the ongoing purge of classical liberals and conservatives from Patreon, under the guise of defending people from "hate speech." 

What you might not have seen, however, is that Patreon is allowing left-wing terrorist group ANTIFA to raise funds to cause chaos.

Patreon is showing the bias and hatred of the left.

They don’t want us to just be quiet — they want to strip away our incomes, leave us homeless, and probably see us dead.

Why can’t we work for ourselves and raise money? Are we expected to just slip away into the wilderness?

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commented 2018-12-21 22:21:17 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON
Who are “they”? I am “they” :)
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AKA, “useful Idiot”. Only an idiot could be so desperate as to believe the lie that babies are parasites.
commented 2018-12-21 19:17:02 -0500
“Mr-Babies-Are-Parasite the real issue here is the hypocrisy which you deftly skate around. They deplatform people on the right because they espouse hate. But they actively support those on the left who espouse hate. "
I don’t really care why they do it, only that they have the right to.

“Alberta Maga commented 16 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson a government saying they will monitor those who disagree with immigration as it is is Fascism. M-103 is Fascism. " M103 clarified existing laws. The rights it’s purported to take away, never actually existed other than perhaps as a grey loophole.

“Until they change that they have to apply it across the board or they are publishers. PRETTY SIMPLE! Even for you. "
Publishers have always been selective about what they publish. The internet has opened up many alternatives. You may not have access o the biggest, but that’s not a right.

“liza Rosie commented 21 hours ago
Oh they will get to you too Andrew. "

Who are “they”? I am “they” :)
commented 2018-12-21 13:39:54 -0500
Alberta Magna, isn’t that insane? If these companies want to survive they have to comply. What could be more corrupt. Its a conspiracy alright Andrew S. The globalists, governments and big companies, especially tele communications, social media and commerce, are all conspiring to destroy any dissent.
commented 2018-12-21 03:09:36 -0500
Andrew Stephenson a government saying they will monitor those who disagree with immigration as it is is Fascism. M-103 is Fascism. Now tell me why you agree with compelled speech then whine that others cannot force their crap on you, it works 2 ways. And the left censors and deplatforms all the time, the conspiracy is quite real. Left wing led governments are jailing people as we speak for having different opinions and you are blind to it. By the way the Yellow Vest movement is larger t6han your peers admit. Oh and Trump got funding for the wall LMAO!
commented 2018-12-21 03:04:52 -0500
Andrew Stephenson if they pick and choose they can no longer say they are merely a funding portal or a platform. You are too dense to understand that. If they get sued they cannot use the former excuse. And Google and Facebook do not say they discriminate in their agreement. Until they change that they have to apply it across the board or they are publishers. PRETTY SIMPLE! Even for you.
commented 2018-12-21 01:41:47 -0500
There may be help on the way for the people and businesses that the Left persecutes.
Trump is replacing his Attorney General Sessions with a person that is knowledgeable in the Technology Industry. Experts say he will go after Google and Facebook first.
commented 2018-12-20 21:48:24 -0500
Oh they will get to you too Andrew.
commented 2018-12-20 21:37:08 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON
As I recall, the courts upheld their right to refuse service.
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They should never have had to go to court. They only did so because the leftist whiners dragged them there.
commented 2018-12-20 21:35:34 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 23 mins ago
Nobody is obligated to provide you a “platform”. Deplatforming, although often ethically dubious, is not illegal. You never had the right to a platform to begin with, particularly when that platform belongs to someone else.
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Mr-Babies-Are-Parasite the real issue here is the hypocrisy which you deftly skate around. They deplatform people on the right because they espouse hate. But they actively support those on the left who espouse hate.
commented 2018-12-20 21:33:24 -0500
LIZA ROSIE
Faith Goldy, for what ever lie you want to believe about her, is seeing all of the available platforms pulled out from under her. What’s next, her bank card won’t work?
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Precisely. This is what globalists dream of.

And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform [k]in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life. 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even [l]speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, [m]to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is [n]six hundred and sixty-six.
commented 2018-12-20 21:10:12 -0500
liza Rosie commented 6 hours ago
Andrew, keep rewriting reality, maybe you’ll get it right eventually."

Thing is, Liza, you’re confusing “deplatforming” with “free speech” – and that’s not even touching upon the fact that free speech isn’t an unequivocal right in the Canadian constitution – which allows for (poorly defined) limitations

Nobody is obligated to provide you a “platform”. Deplatforming, although often ethically dubious, is not illegal. You never had the right to a platform to begin with, particularly when that platform belongs to someone else.
commented 2018-12-20 21:05:45 -0500
Al Peterson commented 6 hours ago
ANDREW STEPHENSON
“but banning people for political reasons is fascist. "
No. It’s not. Giving business the freedom to determine who they do business with is pretty much the exact opposite of fascism.
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Unless , of course, you are a baker of wedding cakes and don’t want to associate with gays. Then it’s some kind -“ist”.

As I recall, the courts upheld their right to refuse service. I had that one in mind when I wrote my post, actually – my quip about business having the right to refuse association refers, at least partially, to that.

“There is no other platform that offers what Patreon does”

Yes, there are. There are many crowdfunding sites, as well as independent and direct campaigns (one of which is on the Rebels’ front page as I write this). Patreon is the largest, but again, you’re not entitled unequivocal access to any given platform.

“Don’t think anyone is immune to this shitting on free speech, and right to commerce. Its FASCISM” Once again, nobody’s free speech has been “shit on”. Free speech doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you. And, as per baker, commerce is a transaction that functions best when both sides are agreeable and benefit from it. Bell has every right to decline any given transaction. That’s their freedom.

“as to how she has been a victim of the left:”

An alt-rightist complaining that she’s a victim of some vast left wing conspiracy. What a shocker, really. Such a rarity when the persecution complex bubbles up over there.
commented 2018-12-20 18:03:47 -0500
..and William Kay who are these Nazi’s you speak of ? The closest thing we have to Nazis in this country, , are those who sing that ‘from the river to the sea’ chant and the extremist supremacists who want to either kill or rule over us infidels after they have jizza’d the heck out of us. Oh and the black lives matters clan is as racist and supremacist as they come. In Canada these groups ( and I have missed one or two) all use each other and work in tandem with the confused/evil (or both) globalists who are out to destroy this country.

They all seem to have platforms and I don’t see them being called out. Heck I don’t even see laws being respected or evenly meted out. Who said Lady Liberty was blind?
commented 2018-12-20 17:33:14 -0500
Ron, Sam, and AL, precisely.
commented 2018-12-20 16:27:19 -0500
Andrew would benefit from listening to the “First they came for” poem by Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3lZTUD4nwsg
commented 2018-12-20 16:17:00 -0500
Faith Goldy explains how the System is Rigged for those on the right especially as to how she has been a victim of the left:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVnznVa88A
commented 2018-12-20 15:32:20 -0500
Andrew, keep rewriting reality, maybe you’ll get it right eventually.
commented 2018-12-20 15:27:55 -0500
“I don’t advocate censorship. I don’t defend goofs.”
That’s fair enough William, but Patreon is more than an advertising agency. They collect money donated, which is money not belonging to them. It amazes me that they can refund the funds to those who donated and not pay it out to the person who earned it. As long as somebody is not breaking laws shouldn’t they have a good reason for turfing them.
The baker example everyone sites isn’t a good example. There were other bakers the gay couple could have patronized. There is no other platform that offers what Patreon does. The other thing is that these monopolies are all bullied into the deplatforming. Faith Goldy, for what ever lie you want to believe about her, is seeing all of the available platforms pulled out from under her. What’s next, her bank card won’t work? Don’t think anyone is immune to this shitting on free speech, and right to commerce. Its FASCISM.

“Moreover, yes, every clown has the right to the public square to promote his/her views. I don’t throw rocks at Nazis but I don’t protect them either. "

William if you don’t ‘protect the clowns’, they will come for you next. They will always find something.. This self censoring that companies do these days sets a very bad precedent. Its just what the globalists want. Its playing right into their hands.
commented 2018-12-20 15:20:30 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON
“but banning people for political reasons is fascist. "
No. It’s not. Giving business the freedom to determine who they do business with is pretty much the exact opposite of fascism.
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Unless , of course, you are a baker of wedding cakes and don’t want to associate with gays. Then it’s some kind -“ist”.
commented 2018-12-20 15:17:43 -0500
As Kurt Schlichter keeps saying, The Left wants you dead or enslaved. That is why they will pull off this hypocritical BS about deplatorming people on the right but support violence on the left. No doubt the phone providers will set themselves up as censors of the world as well.

WILLIAM KAY
It’s basically an advertising agency with its own “brand reputation” to worry about.
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If so the why are they not concerned about Antifa violence tarnishing their brand?
commented 2018-12-20 15:11:59 -0500
Who will guard the guards?
commented 2018-12-20 13:32:33 -0500
Many restrictions on free speech are legit. We have laws against: libel, slander, copyright infringement, uttering threats, child porn etc. Telecommunications (phone) are not responsible for what is transmitted on they systems, Media companies are. Internet giants constitute a grey area for law and ethics. The US Common Decency Act 1996 was supposed to resolve this issue, but hasn’t.
Patreon is a lesser player. It’s basically an advertising agency with its own “brand reputation” to worry about. It does not have to take on all hawkers.
I have no sympathy for controversialists whose sole claim to notoriety is making shocking offensive material and who then whine when they are not welcomed on private venues.
Moreover, yes, every clown has the right to the public square to promote his/her views. I don’t throw rocks at Nazis but I don’t protect them either.
I don’t advocate censorship. I don’t defend goofs.
commented 2018-12-20 12:09:19 -0500
liza Rosie commented 12 mins ago
Not much of a free speech advocate are you William. "

This isn’t a matter of “free speech”. Having free speech doesn’t mean you can force people to listen to you, or provide a podium. Free speech means just that – you can say things with your own voice. Nothing more, nothing less. Business itself, particularly in the US, has freedom of expression, to cultivate only relationships it wants to in line with their corporate mores.

“but banning people for political reasons is fascist. "

No. It’s not. Giving business the freedom to determine who they do business with is pretty much the exact opposite of fascism.
commented 2018-12-20 11:45:22 -0500
Not much of a free speech advocate are you William.

Besides inciting violence, what else should be disallowed? If these companies can randomly throw people off, then no one is safe. It would be the same as having your bank cut you off for being the wrong political stripe, or gay, or the wrong colour. No bank would knowingly allow terrorists to collect or transfer money, but banning people for political reasons is fascist.
commented 2018-12-20 11:33:20 -0500
Patreon deplatformed Faith Goldy months ago. Nobody said squat. Now they have cancelled her Gofundme campaign to pay for BELL MEDIA’s legal fee’s. She was fighting for her right to fair coverage of her mayoral campaign in Toronto. She has been told to pay $43,000.00 (in less than 30 days now.) John Tory and his Bell Media buddies are scum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVnznVa88A

No one is safe. Look at what they have done to PewDiePie, whose only crime is having a huge following.

If Peterson comes up with something, it will be interesting to see if he allows Faith to use it. He threw her under the bus also. If he doesn’t let her use the system he says he’s going to come up with, I will know for sure that he has completely sold out.
commented 2018-12-20 11:16:31 -0500
Jordan Peterson isn’t an “internet sensation.” He’s a mainstream media invention. Prior to his promotion by government broadcasters he was unknown. His internet presence is also clearly being amped with payola. The media establishment used him to distract and divide the Alt-Right. His great tome, Map of Meaning (which took 15 years to write) had sold 500 copies over a decade before the state media picked him up. The book is a horrid self-indulgent cut-and-paste job filled with the boring rants of a street corner crank. Peterson is what uneducated people think an intellectual is supposed to sound like.

Milo Yiannopoulos is INDISPUTABLY a supporter and defender of the homosexual molestation of minors. He did none of his own writing. His 15-minutes of fame are entirely attributable to gay privilege and gay tokenism. Now that that is gone he is twisting and turning down the toilet bowl where he belongs. Patreon is under no moral or legal obligation to broadcast his junk. He can starve in the gutter.