May 27, 2015

Patrick Brown's PCs back Liberals' nanny state "health" bill (that will make it harder for smokers to quit)

Brian LilleyArchive

Their name includes the word conservative but Ontario's PCs acted like big government, anti-business Liberals this week.

Are the PCs are done acting like our nannies for now, or is their support for an unscientific Liberal Party health bill just the beginning?

This bill wants to crack down on "vaping" (which a lot of people are using to quit smoking) while forcing chain restaurants to post their calorie counts.

None of that sounds very "conservative," and some experts say these measure are pointless in terms of health.

Insiders tell me the PCs took their marching orders on this vote from Patrick Brown...

Does that surprise you? Let me know in the comments.


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commented 2015-06-01 12:22:34 -0400
Wayne Allen, I’d rather a reform of the existing PC party than another party that would split the right and issue in an NDP government in 2018. We might get that anyway but … just saying.
commented 2015-05-30 22:32:49 -0400
The Ontario PC party entered into a cabal with the Ontario Liberal Party to pass the French Language Services Act with a media blackout before and after the passing of his odious legislation which has made Ontario “officially bilingual”. No MLA’s were allowed to speak against the bill and none were allowed to vote against the bill. The only debate of the bill was in french and the bill was passed unanimously. This has resulted in the Ontario PC party losing most of their support. This is support which it will never get back. What we need is a new party that represents the interests of the people of Ontario rather than the tax payer funded lobby groups. Unless it agrees to put back English as the official language of Ontario the Ontario PC party is going nowhere no matter who is leading it.
commented 2015-05-29 17:32:17 -0400
Ron Zager – the federal election is a wild card, I’ll grant you, but surely we won’t elect an NDP government! Although in my riding, traditionally Conservative, the NDP has put forth a superb candidate, a real superstar, a doctor recruiter, a colonel in the Reserves, a local business man. I went to hear him speak and you know what? He sounds like a Conservative. Hard on crime and at one point, he even recommended prayer! So because our long-time MP, Barry Devolin, is retiring and the candidate chosen to replace him has far inferior credentials to the NDP candidate, even though this community is very conservative, I would not be surprised to see this riding go NDP. For a term … or, depending on what happens, maybe longer. Mike Perry is no child NDP but has worked in parliament and in government. If the NDP is promoting more candidates like him, NDP could conceivably win. But no, surely not.
commented 2015-05-29 13:35:46 -0400
Joan I think it is a downward cycle time politically at the moment. The left is picking up steam and if the economy nationwide continues to be in trouble it could be NDP time for the nation. Alberta will have four lean years I think then hopefully a new cycle will come bringing back a move to the right. Here is hoping. My main concern is that I have always thought (hopefully wrongly) that Canadians are socialists at heart and the move to a bonafide welfare state might be accepted.
commented 2015-05-29 13:32:41 -0400
Here is the latest from Patrick Brown. Given the Ontario election is three years out, I was surprised to see it. It is slick, positive, attractive and convincing and if he keeps this up for the next three years, it will represent a new approach that could well win back Ontario. I can’t help but wonder about the cost, though, who will fund it and what his real policies might look like:
commented 2015-05-29 13:26:40 -0400
Glenn Reid – thank you for the lovely compliment.
commented 2015-05-29 13:26:00 -0400
Ron Zager – ouch! Well, maybe you can get involved in a movement to do whatever is necessary to protect Conservative interests in Alberta. I’m not sure where in Canada to go for good government. Nunavut? The territories? Probably not. I’m just that cynical.
commented 2015-05-29 13:21:17 -0400
Eileen – off with your head!!

I agree this is probably not the hill for Patrick Brown to die on. I also don’t like the smoking.

I take Brian’s point, though, that this bill is not about health but about trying to penalize big business as small restaurants won’t be required to show calories.

I am one of those label readers, including when I rarely eat fast food. I doubt this measure will make much difference because data about calories, fat, sugar, salt, and contents is readily available at most big food restaurants.
commented 2015-05-29 01:55:59 -0400
Troll Alert ** please do not feed the troll…
commented 2015-05-28 23:06:57 -0400
that what happens when harper picked him!
commented 2015-05-28 15:34:26 -0400
Joan Abernethy, great post – thanks for eloquently expressing our frustration with the growing corruption seen in Ontario, and other places (federal NDP needs to pay back the tax-payers as well) across this great country.
commented 2015-05-28 14:40:29 -0400
I, for one, support Mr. Brown on this. All restaurants, including fast food outlets, need to inform their customers of caloric contents of the food it is selling. Also, the contents of the food should be shown. As for “vaping”, I oppose smoking of any substance, so I am in favour of rules and regulations that would reduce smoking. And that includes marijuana! And, despite that, I am a Conservative supporter! Should I be hung out to dry for that!
commented 2015-05-28 13:05:59 -0400
Joan I have just moved to Alberta from Ontario. I thought I was going to a province with good government.
commented 2015-05-28 12:25:09 -0400
Ron Zager – The Ontario Progressive Conservative Party members are not “progressives” as the term is used colloquially to slur anyone you don’t like as a “socialist”. The party is defined by a set of values and principles and a Constitution.

However, I agree with Doug Ford that the PCPO needs an enema to clean out corruption from the party. The party would benefit from some reform like what helped the federal party get elected.

Conservative values are not brutal or exclusive – those are mob values. Conservatives do not hate the LGBTQ community – that is a bigoted value. Conservatives balance budgets not to profit rich Conservatives but to care for disabled veterans and victims of crime. Conservatives do not look for or exploit power and legal loopholes to cheat taxpayers; Conservatives respect the rule of law. To real Conservatives, the rule of law means we are a democratic people who choose representatives to write laws that organize our society in ways that benefit everyone. It does not mean rule by corrupt leaders like the former PC Alberta Minister of Justice who bragged he had every cop and every judge in Alberta in his pocket.

Conservatives value freedom but also human rights. We are not free to exploit the vulnerable.

In our purest form, Conservatives eshew corruption.

Detective Jacques Duchesneau told Justice Charbonneau that corruption is worse in Ontario than in Quebec. When I heard him testify to that, I contacted him to thank him for his courage. Because whistleblowers get hit and taken out and that is why every leader complies with corruption.

Ontario needs a leader willing to take down corruption. At this point, no leader and no party is willing to do so.

Until someone leads with integrity, Ontario will continue to be controlled by crime interests.

Canada needs cleaning up too. Harper has done a good job of stabilizing our security and making law to protect and strengthen our place in the world but the civil service remains badly corrupted and the provincial administration of Conservative law is highly flawed.

Where do you live, Ron Zager?
commented 2015-05-28 11:05:55 -0400
I don"t think there is much of a conservative movement in Ontario. Apathy everywhere.
commented 2015-05-28 09:53:10 -0400
Wayne, the Ontario Party like the Saskatchewan Party would enable true conservatives jettison the old worn-out negatives the public identifies and allow a new fresh pro-economic growth approach. i.e. let’s start fracking in Ontario, end the ridiculous electricity subsidies to the industrial wind turbines (with many having political ties to the liberals), let’s give the suffering low wage earner (non-government union worker) working multiple part-time dead-end jobs hope for a better future…
commented 2015-05-28 07:38:34 -0400
Two words sum up most Ontario politicians: Disgusting Weathervanes.
commented 2015-05-28 07:36:15 -0400
Dear Patrick Brown :

You sir have lost my vote. You and your party could have taken a stand and voted NO to more incremetalism of the nanny state into our lives. But nope, you decided to go all in and support the most corrupt government on their so-called “Health” bill that will cause more issues for us the little people then solve.

Yes your vote no would have been meaningless in the grand scheme of things. You decided to roll over and to make a statement that yes you do support the ‘progressive’ aspect of your party name.

Thank you for your efforts. It wasn’t good enough.
commented 2015-05-28 00:39:48 -0400
Joan do you think progressives might just be socialists in a different package? The Federal Conservatives have some old PC’s in their midst. At the moment they seem reasonable except when it comes to immigration. I hope their experiment works or we are all doomed.
The Federal PC’s had two dud PM’s in Diefenbaker and Mulroney who were not conservatives. The former was a populist and the latter a good time Charlie who had no clue of what NAFTA would do or how world affairs worked.
Ontario is now a fiefdom for Wynne. So sad that the Ontario PC’s have nothing to offer and could be no different at all. I think the NDP could have a chance next time. Most voters will be too young or have forgotten about Bob Rae.
commented 2015-05-27 23:19:04 -0400
commented 2015-05-27 23:16:38 -0400
Wow! Ontario is so Screwed :(

It’s time for the TRUE CONSERVATIVES to bail on that Party and form a BRAND NEW ONE!
commented 2015-05-27 22:17:21 -0400
We need a political party that is not linked to the federal parties. In |Saskatchewan they have the Saskatchewan Party. Why not have an Ontario Party?
commented 2015-05-27 21:35:35 -0400
Thank you for your comments Joan.
commented 2015-05-27 21:34:31 -0400
I think Patrick Brown forcing the Conservatives to back the Liberals on this is idiotic. This vaping smoking has helped a lot of people quit smoking. I think the more important issue is to ban the hookah smoking in restaurants. Double standards.
commented 2015-05-27 21:06:36 -0400
I don’t smoke, I have a balanced diet, and not religious but its pissing me off the more I see agendas that say I am incapable of making my own choices. If the gov’t powers to be are afraid I am going to be a future burden, than let me sign a waiver and then let me be free. No tax for me because I will have to take care of everything, and if I fail, let the naysayers point their fingers and say we told you we can take care of you better. too bad for me!
commented 2015-05-27 18:46:17 -0400
Ontario is fkd. Big gubbermint from all parties. Check out the rust belt states. See what happened there.

Most are right to work and trying to recover. But it was a hell ride before they started to turn things around. Get ready for the hell ride Ontario.
commented 2015-05-27 18:13:49 -0400
Doesn’t surprise me a whit.

Anyone who listened to Patrick Brown during his campaign – actually listened to his words, what he said – recognized he is a talented semanticist. That is, he is really good at not answering the question and not stating his position while using phrases and gestures that make you feel he is on your side.

What Brown said was the same as what the party says, the same as what Elliott said – except maybe Brown didn’t talk about a compassionate party agenda as much as Elliott did and put more emphasis on promising to oppose the “same old same old” and engage grass roots party members in policy making. But on everything else, Brown promised the same old same old.

I hope Brown did not win the leadership battle only to lose the Ontario war. If he doesn’t display some integrity – and granted, it is still early days – we will see Horwath take it in 2018.

I still favour Elliott’s simple message for Ontario – fiscal conservativism so we can afford social compassion. We are not the homophobic, selfish party some Ontarians got the idea we are from some of the media coverage of the sex-ed currculum protests during the leadership campaign. We are a progressive party and that means we are inclusive of all in pursuing a fiscally responsible government administration of tax payer resources to provide services that benefit all, not just the vocal and/or corrupt few insiders.
commented 2015-05-27 18:07:35 -0400
Just another example of how the MPP who is supposed to represent me is told to vote, speak, sit and when to clap. Without my representative having a clear voice to express an opinion on my behalf how is this democracy? The political system has been hijacked and we are talking about calorie counting. Mr. Lilley was so close.
commented 2015-05-27 18:04:10 -0400
What are we going to have to ask the government when we can use the washroom soon? Why doesn’t the government in ON do the job they were elected for and stop butting in to the publics lives? What is with there over protective ninnies???
commented 2015-05-27 17:59:54 -0400
Socialism: A system of Government that creates an ever increasing amount of misery spread to an ever increasing amount of people. The end game is Communism.