November 22, 2017

Politicians focus on financial windfall from pot legalization — but ignore trade-offs

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator

According to an Angus Reid poll, the majority of Canadians think marijuana should be legalized, while in the U.S., even the majority of Republicans support the idea for the first time ever. 

It seems cannabis consumption is becoming a societal norm.

According to the Trudeau Liberals and Alberta NDP who support the measure, pot legalization is all rosy.

Marijuana is a taxable commodity after all, and the industry will diversify the economy. Proponents also say legalization will prevent kids from using, and will reduce the number of cannabis related arrests and prosecutions.

Governments stand to reap the rewards of legalizing pot, but there are obvious problems that come along with it too.

The Alberta NDP’s “no tolerance” approach for youth under 18 means no criminal charges would be laid and possession of up to five grams, would result in a slap on the wrist.

So much for keeping pot out of the hands of kids!

Also, possession and consumption of marijuana will be removed from the Canadian Criminal Code once legislation is passed.

Similar measures have passed in both Washington and Colorado and the result has been increases in cannabis related arrests, DUIs and accidents.

While governments paint a rosy picture of marijuana legalization, in reality there are trade-offs affecting everything from taxes to health and safety concerns.

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commented 2017-11-23 14:49:29 -0500
Jihadi Justin fantasizes being a drug lord along with dictator!
commented 2017-11-23 11:54:16 -0500
Sorry, wrong thread. Tabbed browsing has its downside. Snicker.

Weed is out there whether the government endorses it or not. This will not increase access to an already ubiquitous substance. So, yeah, the “windfall” has very little actual downside, unless they overtax it and thus fail to undercut the dealers.
commented 2017-11-23 11:52:01 -0500
Why wasn’t’ Ivanka Trump honoured? Why wasn’t Michelle Obama? I, too, could cherry pick a laundry list of excluded names to forward an agenda. That, too, would be overinterpreting the trivial.

There are very few prominent Republican women, so that’s probably the reason right there. If you pick ten women most of them will be politically neutral to Democratic. Also, of the few that are around, such as Conway, have had some ethically dubious moments meaning they’re not exactly great role models, and certainly not worth affirmative action over.
commented 2017-11-23 08:31:32 -0500
The biggest fallacy that Justin continues to babble about is “keeping it out of the hands of our youth”. With the announced pricing scheme complete with appropriate taxes, who is the bonehead trying to fool? He has just ensured that illegal grow ops will flourish and kids will have NO trouble procuring pot. The fiasco will unfold next summer, and it will be a doozy. I am for legalization, but don’t lie about the pitfalls, don’t price and tax it beyond reason at the get go, and don’t indulge before question period you incompetent moron. Just as a reminder, when this was announced I crowed on REBEL and to any one who would listen, watch the liberal cronies and hacks charge to the front of the cue to line their pockets and position themselves at the trough. To a man the big investors who stand to benefit are almost entirely liberals…in our “just” and “fair” society.
commented 2017-11-23 04:25:48 -0500
So here in Manitoba, the pro con government said that pot would be sold privately but regulated by the government. This upset the Manitoba Government and employees union. The union wanted all pot sales to be done by the government, and they evenn used some fear monger as to what will happen if the sales staff are not qualified. Or something like that. But the take away, is that the union is just bitter that they will not be getting their union dues.

Screw you MGEU.
commented 2017-11-23 01:26:49 -0500
The difference is that the left simply wants to corner the market , those on the right who support legalization actually want legalization.
commented 2017-11-23 00:54:46 -0500
Since the legality of “pakalolo” outlets on Vancouver Island has been at the discretion of local municipalities for several years now, I can attest to the fact that watching cars here with occupants “blowing clouds” through open windows, is a daily feature now… No wonder ICBC rates are skyrocketing!… And will continue to be so with fatal consequences, since Colorado, Washington, and California stats are obviously precursors of what is to come…
commented 2017-11-22 23:52:17 -0500
There was a time that lotteries were considered taboo. Ed Broadbent pushed it for years!! Once it took hold, gov came to rely on the revenue, rather than the hard work of boosting the economy in other ways. Now we’re descending to pot. McCarthyism has never looked so good!!
commented 2017-11-22 23:47:46 -0500
The Left like to proclaim that the ‘war on drugs’ is a huge failure. But is it? Keeping pot illegal, avoids all the items I mentioned in my prior post. It keeps things down to a dull roar. Once legal, it’s going to roar into our lives in a very big way, and it won’t be good!!

Oh, and when you combine the Guaranteed Annual Income and the lethargy that pot creates, just how productive do you think our society will be? Unemployment will go up as those that are lazy will prefer to social assistance, and selling other drugs on the side to supplement their income.
commented 2017-11-22 23:40:55 -0500
How’s the government going to make tax revenues when you can grow your own at home? How’s the gov going to ensure the THC levels aren’t super high when you can grow your own? How’s the gov going to ensure the 18yr old that’s growing at home doesn’t slip some to his 15yr old brother?

Detection technology is going to drastically improve in a a few years time, and when it does, the pot smokers will be a very unhappy crowd. Why? Because pot, if smoked occasionally, stays in your system for 8-12 hrs, but when smoked regularly, stays in your system for 3 days. All the pot smokers I know, smoke several times a day. They will not be driving their cars to work, or not for long, as they’ll get caught. Employers too, will start testing at work once the technology improves. So if one wants to stay on the right side of the law, they smoke one dube on Friday night, and that’s it. Yeah, like that’s going to happen!
commented 2017-11-22 22:17:18 -0500
Good posts Rebels. I will add, Trudeau is hoping stoned Canadians who voted for him won’t notice the decline of our nation and if they do, they are too relaxed to do anything more than fire up another blunt.
commented 2017-11-22 21:32:27 -0500
All the arguments Trudeau used to sell his pot plan:

Said it wasn’t about making the government rich with marijuana taxes. Wrong. New numbers prove otherwise.
Said, policing and legal system will save millions upon millions. With all the new legislation surrounding legalization, who’s kidding who? Does anyone think the present supply chain will just disappear? Doubt that. And who get’s to pay for policing that? We’ll pay for policing the new legislation laws plus will still have to keep organized crime at bay.
Said that legalization of pot would protect the children. Serious? How so?
And then there is the four plants per household law. Who get’s to pay for policing that law? Probably will go something like this; “Knock, Knock….Good evening Sir/Madame, we’re with the Marijuana Constabulary, how many marijuana plants do you have in your home?” Really? How do you predict that will work out?
Then there is the impairment issue while driving. It’s so confusing. I suggest we just go with the honour system. After all, by legislating marijuana, users that choose to drive will feel obligated to tell the truth because of their commitment to social license heresay.
Oh…And then there is the cross border differentiation. Such as the legal age, amount permitted on each person and on and on….
You heard it here first. There will NOT be a savings in law enforcement and justice system savings. In fact it will be greater.
There obviously were way to many questions for Trudeau and Liberals to decipher. Must have been overwhelming so Trudeau just handed it to the provinces. At least we’ll have a diverse mixture of hundreds of new laws. And did I mention, diversity is our greatest strength!
commented 2017-11-22 20:57:27 -0500
So the zombie hordes are fed the BS that Pot jobs will replace the high paying industrial jobs lost to leftist economic enmity. Yeah and Gerald butts will spew gold dust out his puckered ring piece as well. The MSM really must think the population is stupid enough to swallow any leftard fairy tale.
commented 2017-11-22 19:19:07 -0500
All this has ever been about is tax revenue. I do not think the Hell’s Angels or Mohawk Warriors or any gang are in the process of wrapping up their business Weed Growth Operations any time soon. Just like tobacco and alcohol bootlegging are major business concerns for these illegal businesses. I wonder how much these gangs contribute to the Lying Party of Corruption election coffers?
commented 2017-11-22 18:00:04 -0500
Quote: -"Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington after the state legalized the drug, according to the latest research by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

Deadly accidents also have increased in Colorado. Since the state legalized cannabis, marijuana-related traffic deaths have increased from 37 in 2006 to 94 in 2014." Unquote…
commented 2017-11-22 16:38:02 -0500
Its just to insure the Liberals get re-elected. Same with the NDP. It could be as simple as one ounce or less and its a $20 fine or a warning. Nothing if its for medicinal use.

Allow the pot shops to operate as they are doing a fine job on their own. Make them legal. More than an ounce, unless you are topping up your prescription or have a receipt from a legal pot shop for up to 3 ounces, its distribution and throw the book at them.

Tax the legal sale of pot at the same rate as alcohol. Crack down on illegal pot trade and make stiffer sentences – that will force the trade into the legal shops.

Have videos of Baby Doc Trudeau saying stupid things as a warning of what too much pot can do to your brain. That should be sufficient warning to keep people from over indulging.

Anyone caught driving under the influence, the first time its a fine and suspension for a month. Second time its a stronger fine and two month suspension. Third time its confiscation of the vehicle, jail time, and a 10 year suspension of your permit. That should scare the fools who would drive stoned.
commented 2017-11-22 16:30:31 -0500
There are some people who should never smoke pot, Justin’s mother is a good example, she says it herself. It arrests emotional development in adolescence. It has more tar and than cigarettes, and damn it stinks.
On the flip side, there are many topical and internal (ingested rather than smoked) benefits from many of the ingredients in pot, it is not all about THC. However, you know the government is going to screw this up. We all know that government and business should never be mentioned in the same sentence. At this point my main problem is ‘normalizing’ it for kids, health risks from smoking it, and safety. To Andy’s point (driving, machinery…fine for some, some not so much).
I would rather just see it decriminalized.
Did I say I really hate the smell of it?
….approximately 5 times the carbon monoxide concentration, 3 times the tar, and the retention of one-third more tar in the respiratory tract. Higher levels of ammonia and hydrogen cyanide have also been found in marijuana smoke, compared to tobacco (Moir, et al., 2008; Wu et al., 1988; Tashkin et al., 1991; Benson & Bentley, 1995).
commented 2017-11-22 15:29:49 -0500
“Studiously” being downplayed is the fact that police in Colorado, Washington and parts of California also report marijuana impairment overtaking alcohol as the cause of accidents and fatalities…
commented 2017-11-22 15:24:22 -0500
commented 2017-11-22 14:28:23 -0500
Let’s say legalization is a given.
Now, about control and distribution:
• Treat pot like liquor under Liquor Control Boards (no new gov’t dept)
• Sold only in gov’t liquor outlets
• Only licensed growers (brewers/distillers) can put product on the shelves
• Tax it to the limit where people are willing to pay more than the street price/home grown, as they are willing to do now with alcohol (instead of home-brews)
• Fines and charges against illegal distributors (ie: bootlegging moonshine)
• No advertising
• Make illegal “kid friendly” product names, like “purple cloud”, “rainbow skunk”, “Jamaican dream”, etc. Neutral names only, such as C12, or Northern Blend, or Flavour 15, etc.
• Eliminate or drastically increase home insurance rates where home grow-ops exist.
• Make it clear and legal for quick eviction of those who grow in a rented residence.
• Stiff laws on “no smoking pot” areas, just like alcohol consumption limits in public places
• Clarify labour laws that allow for penalty of firing for employees consuming on the job (like drinking or under the influence on the job)
Marijuana and alcohol are drugs, and can be under the same (revised) government legislation and distribution models so as to keep overhead and administration cost to a minimum while maximizing the sin-tax intake to government.