February 06, 2019

Poll: Majority of Alberta and Saskatchewan support Western separatism

Keean BexteRebel Contributor

Angus Reid just released a new poll, and the results are jaw-dropping: Sixty percent of Albertans and fifty-three percent of Saskatchewan residents either moderately or strongly support a Western separatist movement.

The poll asked several questions regarding the fractured state of Canadian confederation, and even included questions directed at Eastern Canadians. Most notably, easterners were asked if they thought Albertans’ threats to separate hold any water; unsurprisingly, the easterners overwhelmingly brush off the likelihood of Western separatism.

Easterners were also asked how Canada should respond to the rising separatist sentiments out west. Quebec largely opted for a “soft” approach, focusing on good relations, while Ontario and Atlantic Canada preferred a “tougher” and “firmer” approach to defending the interests of the East against Western angst.

Separation aside, when Western provinces were asked about their voting intention should a Western Canadian, Reform-concept party be established. The results further illustrate the growing discontent among Canadians from British Columbia to Manitoba.

Albertans alone would vote forty percent in favour of a Western Canadian-focused federal party, while thirty-six percent said they would continue voting for the federal Conservatives.

Maxime Bernier's new party, the People’s Party of Canada (PPC) was not included in the poll, even though many of his policies might satisfy this growing contingent. When Bernier spoke in the conservative heartland of Calgary in late January, he said that his party would not only force pipelines through to the coast, but that they would review and reduce equalization transfers.

This poll comes out just days before a convoy is set to depart from Alberta to Ottawa, hoping to bring attention to what they call Trudeau’s neglect of Alberta. If this poll is anything to go by, it seems that a majority of Alberta will be rooting for the convoy.

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commented 2019-02-10 21:34:17 -0500
Yer not even close.!!
commented 2019-02-09 12:44:37 -0500
BC’s economy is driven by the south coast, which is far more tied to the Pacific Rim and Cascadia than to Alberta. Alberta’s much more dependent on BC, as it’s currently finding out the hard way, than vice-versa.
commented 2019-02-07 17:32:35 -0500
If BC didn’t want to play nice we could grind their economy to a halt… Not that we want to do that but we will not be held for ransom for tidewater
commented 2019-02-07 17:05:16 -0500
“The cost would be nothing compared to the new Alberta tariff of $500. per BC Railway car and $500. per semi-truck.

I know Longshoremen that make $1600. a day working a crane unloading ships. If Alberta left, these guys would be flipping burgers.
Vancouver Harbor would consist of a few rusted old freighters taking logs to China. "

Which port would Alberta use, then? Are you going to cripple the farmers by forcing them to ship their grain to … where, exactly? Using more distant ports, plus your proposed tariffs, are pretty punitive to a bunch of people whose margins are already razor-thin.

Tariffs would be a peculiar response to a province whose primary grievance is already export access. I also doubt it would fly given that it would impact mostly Albertans. Alberta’s bargaining position is far weaker than that of the ROC.
commented 2019-02-07 14:09:13 -0500
ENOUGH..!!! “ If we don’t share an equal place at the table which the point of being here”.? C. June The people who support equality or independence do not like having their leg humped at will by a power hungry centralized govt who’s disconnect from the west is so strong that they don’t think they can get a cup of Starbucks west of Manitoba.!
“ If we don’t share an equal place at the table what’s the point of being here”.? And don’t worry about Alberta going this alone… $500 per truck and train car from anything coming out of BC going east to the more central provinces will get us access to tidewater… and not to mention the $25 billion a year we get to keep which translates to around $6 million each .!! Jeez.. maybe independence is better than a quality because with the quality the whole country gets flushed at the same time where if we were independent we would be healthy educated and wealthy.!!
“ Equality or independence”
commented 2019-02-07 13:44:55 -0500
Ok,sounds like Quebec all over again. Do we understand the cost of separation? This is Canada are we not a confederation? BC will not be part of Alberta fight which leaves us in the same spot with the pipelines.
Who will pay for health care an military to protect Alberta, how much will it cost in tariffs to ship anything out of the Province,an how would anything move?
Im not against pipelines as a matter a fact i make my money in the oil industry. Im just asking questions.
As a party member of PPC party, I would think we could find a way in this country to solve problems. Lets start by education support an involvement.
Lets look for new way to unite not divide,our leader of the past an now present have not taken the peoples concerns seriously. We as the people elect. Let us not forget what has happened in the past an now the present. If we do shame on us.
commented 2019-02-07 11:25:53 -0500
As an Easterner, I share the Westerners disdain for the Eastern socialists and being governed by linguistic elitists. Were the West to seek independence perhaps the East would wake up and reduce the role of the Federal Government to the that specified in the BNA Act.
commented 2019-02-07 11:14:57 -0500
Given the demographic layout of Canada – 85 to 90 % of Canadians live in urban centers, most of which are within one hundred miles of the US border – it is imperative to consider this hugely uneven distribution of people and consequent political/moral ideology when considering polls like this.
As one of the disenfranchised rural minority, I object to the vast majority of city-dwellers, who are mostly lefty sheep, making laws to suit lefty sheep urbanites, that totally disregards myself and my fellow disenfranchised rural Canadians because we are a small minority! It’s called discrimination against a minority! The politician/Media Party cabal, refuse to deal with it by refusing to acknowledge that divide!
Polls by province are false indicators when you don’t consider the vast urban/rural divide…
Democracy is mob rule…
Balkanization-as-survival, may seem an attractive threat or even positive action against the thieves, scoundrels and globalists running things today, but be warned, it is also an end game those selfsame globalists would try for, to succeed in their intended destruction of Canada…so they can build their new world order upon the rubble of the old!

Maybe I should attempt a claim at the nearest Human Rights Tribunal…do they do class-action claims?

Canadian Human Rights Act
R.S.C., 1985, c. H-6
PART I
Proscribed Discrimination
Multiple grounds of discrimination
3.1 For greater certainty, a discriminatory practice includes a practice based on one or more prohibited grounds of discrimination or on the effect of a combination of prohibited grounds.
1998, c. 9, s. 11.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/FullText.html
commented 2019-02-07 09:46:14 -0500
It is no coincidence that the mirage of western separation rises every time there is a Trudeau in the PMO. As the days pass it becomes more and more clear that this ignorant and his party of halfwits must be destroyed this fall. This may be the last chance we have to save confederation because a re-election of ‘Mr. Dress-up’ will be the undoing of this once great nation. The future will be in our hands in the fall of this year and we must not fumble or fail.
commented 2019-02-07 07:55:17 -0500
In my view, the divisive politics of Justin – under the guise of “diversity”, globalism ans anti-oil rhetoric – have a negative impact on parts of our once great nation. Another 4 years for him means Canada is dead by 2023.
commented 2019-02-07 02:50:53 -0500
The thing to appreciate about B.C. “in or out” is that it is one very “fractured” province… Dope smokers and NDPers on south Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands right up to Nanaimo- as evidenced by the recent election results – but conservatives north of there…(Many retired Brits) On the mainland it’s certainly Greenies around Vancouver and the stretch out the Fraser Valley, BUT a fantastic influx of Chinese immigrants among them who are only interested in “how to make the next yen”… i.e. the ultimate entrepreneurs… Once you get outside of the Lower Mainland and South Vancouver Island, you are back into conservative “lumberjack country”, but with the exceptions of NDP enclaves like Kamloops or Nelson or Kelowna… Ah Nelson! – where it seems every, every socialist professor in the last 40 years, has gone to retire to share lattes and quote Marx…
commented 2019-02-06 21:33:35 -0500
Andrew, some good points, but the important thing is Alberta doesn’t have to build a wall around itself, just have a Border Inspection on the 3 or 4 highways coming from BC, and 2 or 3 places where the Railways cross.

The cost would be nothing compared to the new Alberta tariff of $500. per BC Railway car and $500. per semi-truck.

I know Longshoremen that make $1600. a day working a crane unloading ships. If Alberta left, these guys would be flipping burgers.
Vancouver Harbor would consist of a few rusted old freighters taking logs to China.
commented 2019-02-06 21:30:41 -0500
I’m from BC and, even though no vote has been called, I’m voting leave right now. However, I really don’t want to take Andrew Stephenson with us. So I hope he/she/it lives east of the Manitoba/Ontario boarder.
commented 2019-02-06 21:05:54 -0500
ron joseph commented 1 hour ago
Andrew Stephenson—Although I don’t agree with you much, you have an extremely positive attitude.
Before we talk about your Super-Highway System through Nunavut and the NWT, what makes you think that they would stay in Eastern Canada. They would be the first to leave as they need the real energy that the Eastern Politicians want to eliminate.

I can’t see a Wynne wind-mill doing much to give them warmth up there, nor would Solar do well when it is dark 24 hours a day some months.

I know Canada’s Highway system well; actually there isn’t much to it compared to the US. After 100 years, it is still SINGLE LANE for thousands of Km across Canada, and you think the East would build way more expensive Highways up North. Not a chance even if Nunavut became as warm as Hawaii due to Climate Change.
I guess it all doesn’t matter as your Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says we only have 12 years left."

If it happens, it happens. I’m not going to fret either way. Life will go on. I have a Sask. birth certificate but live in the East now and would basically have “dual citizenship” anyway.

If you read the poll linked, there’s a related one on what actually defines the West at the bottom of the page, and it highlights what we already know. BC does not really strongly sympathise with Alberta. It is probably too small to go on its own, and isn’t particularly unhappy with their place in Confederation. The math might be different if Washington and Oregon seceeded from the US, BC would almost certainly go with since the Cascadia corridor is indeed very highly unified, but as of right now? I can’t see it happening. It’s basically the same thing as the exclave-Maritimes that would have resulted from Quebec separation, or Alaska.

I’m optimistic about the road issue. We should be building infrastructure in the North anyway, especially as the NW passage is expected to become regularly navigable in the near future. That being said it’s unlikely to happen given the high probability that an independent Alberta would likely have Schengen-style uncontrolled borders with Canada – for the same reason the Ireland problem is stalling Brexit – too politically and economically costly to have anything but full free flow, removing the need for said roads.

The trials of solar panels in the far north have worked well. You still need to run the diesel generators in winter, but it saves a tremendous amount of money in the summer. There is also a lot of hydroelectric potential up there that’s too distant from current markets.
commented 2019-02-06 19:57:07 -0500
“Ontario and Atlantic Canada preferred a “tougher” and “firmer” approach to defending the interests of the East against Western angst.”

Typical eastern arrogance. the west is being bent over the barrel and they want to be protected from OUR ‘angst!!’
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Andrew, once the ndp are sent packing. there will be no mismanagment. A western ‘republic’ doesn’t need the central nanny state we want them the heck out of the way. Left to our own devices, as they say.
commented 2019-02-06 19:51:25 -0500
ron joseph commented 44 mins ago
HERE IS THE FIRST BIG POLL"

No methodology, no sample size, no margin of error stated, no demographic or regional breakdowns. About as useful as a CNN web poll that the Breitbart crowd found out about.
commented 2019-02-06 19:30:05 -0500
Andrew Stephenson—Although I don’t agree with you much, you have an extremely positive attitude.
Before we talk about your Super-Highway System through Nunavut and the NWT, what makes you think that they would stay in Eastern Canada. They would be the first to leave as they need the real energy that the Eastern Politicians want to eliminate.

I can’t see a Wynne wind-mill doing much to give them warmth up there, nor would Solar do well when it is dark 24 hours a day some months.

I know Canada’s Highway system well; actually there isn’t much to it compared to the US. After 100 years, it is still SINGLE LANE for thousands of Km across Canada, and you think the East would build way more expensive Highways up North. Not a chance even if Nunavut became as warm as Hawaii due to Climate Change.
I guess it all doesn’t matter as your Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says we only have 12 years left.
commented 2019-02-06 17:05:30 -0500
Alberta and Saskatchewan separating can’t come soon enough,the rest of Canada is a sinking ship with the FEM at the helm.We in the west don’t need his gender bs policies or his Islamic rats,and he can surely shove his carbon tax up his wazoo!!
commented 2019-02-06 17:05:29 -0500
Alberta and Saskatchewan separating can’t come soon enough,the rest of Canada is a sinking ship with the FEM at the helm.We in the west don’t need his gender bs policies or his Islamic rats,and he can surely shove his carbon tax up his wazoo!!
commented 2019-02-06 16:58:30 -0500
ron joseph commented 25 mins ago
It would have been a more interesting poll if PPC was included.
The main point I see in this poll is BC aren’t Eastern Canadian worshipers when it comes to being ruled by the same.
If Alberta leaves, BC has only 3 choices and staying in Canada is not one of them."

Why not? There are many examples of non-contiguous countries, and if Alberta left, BC wouldn’t even be non-contiguous. They’ve always talked about building roads through the NWT and Nunavut, that would finally be an incentive to do it. Will position us well to take advantage of the opening of the Northwest Passage as well, and build the North Coast into a major power.

Alberta’s got way more to lose. Without the feds, there is even less leverage than today. The Americans don’t want bitumen either, their own production will exceed consumption by the end of the year. What will Alberta do then ,when it has nobody else to blame for its own mismanagement?
commented 2019-02-06 16:43:41 -0500
Trudeau will be responsible for the break up of Canada.
commented 2019-02-06 16:09:45 -0500
BC has way more in common with Ontario than it does Alberta, so of course they would stay and be Ontario’s new neighbour so to speak.
commented 2019-02-06 16:04:31 -0500
Time to consider the Peoples Party of Canada led by ‘the Albertan from Quebec’.

As he concluded in his speech, “Reconciling East and West with the Right Economic Policies”, at the Equality or Independence Rally held in Calgary on January 26, 2019, “You don’t need to flirt with independence. You need to support the principled alternative that will solve these problems. And that’s the People’s Party of Canada.”
commented 2019-02-06 16:03:33 -0500
Bye Felicia! Canada will be just fine without you.
commented 2019-02-06 15:56:32 -0500
It would have been a more interesting poll if PPC was included.
The main point I see in this poll is BC aren’t Eastern Canadian worshipers when it comes to being ruled by the same.
If Alberta leaves, BC has only 3 choices and staying in Canada is not one of them.
1. Join Western Canada.
2. Join the US—will not happen-too much anti-US deep routed sentiment.
3. Their own country—not a chance, people are too politically ignorant, and no possible leader with enough brains to be successful. eg Lisa Helps, Elizabeth May or John Horgen.
commented 2019-02-06 15:48:50 -0500
A liberal party will never, ever, fight for the wests’ interests with any conviction. As well, the now very liberal light fed. party—the conservatives. There is no say west of Manitoba, for the west, in politics today.