February 06, 2019

NEW poll: 60% of Albertans would consider voting for a separatist party — and so would 53% of Saskatchewanians

Ezra LevantRebel Commander


I’m not surprised: Sixty per cent of Albertans would favour a western separatist movement. That’s the result of a new opinion poll by Angus Reid.

Here’s their headline:

Decades after Reform’s rise, voters open to a new ‘Western Canada Party’. And by that, they mean a new federal party, to run in Canadian elections, like the old Reform Party did, to promote a western point of view.

Angus Reid says a new pro-western party would immediately be in first place across the west, and would literally get 40 per cent in Alberta. Could be.

Of course, it would depend a lot on the leader; I think a lot of westerners are disappointed in the weak sauce of Andrew Scheer. Maxime Bernier, who calls himself "the Albertan from Beauce," actually has more of a chance that others might think.

Now look at the real question in the Angus Reid survey:

Would you be in favour or opposed to your own province joining such a western separatist movement?

Forty three per cent of BCers and 45 per cent of Manitobans are strongly opposed to the idea, although 35 per cent of BCers are open to the idea, and 36 per cent are open to it in Manitoba — before such a party even is formed.

(And remember, simply having a western separatist party doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll separate. It might just mean you want to negotiate a bit more firmly than rolling over every time. It's worked for Quebec.

(Furthermore, I’m not sure what use the United States of America would have for an independent Quebec. But I’m pretty sure Donald Trump would know what to do with Alberta...)

And Albertans, I think, know this, if you look at these poll results. Again, without even advocating, 60 per cent of Albertans would immediately support such a project — and half of those supporters are “strong”. That’s a landslide, folks.

So what does this all mean?

I think it means that all of the existing political entities have failed the west.

Obviously the Liberals, but the NDP doesn’t much like it either. And the Conservative Party? Well, the stats speak for themselves: People prefer another party to it; they prefer separatism to it. That’s sad.

Of course other institutions have failed, too. The mainstream media is in many ways the worst; but so are the courts — which are the primary means to attack the oil patch and pipelines. People are fed up.

Remember, though:

They called Preston Manning a bigot for standing up for the west. Thirty years later, that playbook still seems to work. Get ready for it again.

NEXT: One of our most popular guests, consultant and lawyer Manny Montenegrino, comes on to talk about the U.S./Canada trade war I discussed earlier this week. 

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commented 2019-02-09 12:20:16 -0500
The actual difference is about a quarter of that. Alberta’s half the size of Quebec (50b) and gets $6b/yr in federal transfers (30b/5). That’ leaves a gap of 4b/yr – what’s the spinoff revenue from the energy sector, and where did that money go? Alberta’s per-capita provincial budget is not very different than Quebec’s despite equalization. (it collects less revenue but spending is about the same)

Which is to say, the fiscal argument is bunk. They don’t want to diversify. Notice how pipelines dominate the national discourse, despite energy being a small part of our national economy?
commented 2019-02-08 10:46:01 -0500
If so, you’d think you’d be able to refute it…

January Labour Force Survey numbers out today- Quebec has the second-lowest unemployment rate in Canada at 5.4%. Lower than any other province but BC (4.7%).

Interestingly, both have years-old “economy killing carbon taxes”, which apparently means balanced budgets and excellent job markets.
commented 2019-02-08 02:35:34 -0500
Please stay in Ontario Andrew. Thanks.
commented 2019-02-08 02:34:48 -0500
Gawd! Why should they indeed. Sweet Jeeesus.
commented 2019-02-08 00:32:33 -0500
“Quebec is a whole can stand on its own 2 feet and develop what’s underneath them like
everybody else.!”

Why would they do that? They have both near-full employment and a budget surplus – without it. Alberta could take a lesson on economic diversification.
commented 2019-02-07 22:58:19 -0500
Liza,

I like Dave Rubin’s show. I have no problem with him. Even if I loved Maxime Bernier, I would still say that he needs to go into intensive English speaking lessons to do whatever he can to try to improve like other French politicians have done. There are people who just won’t want to listen to him speak even if they agree with what he has to say.

Don’t hold your breath for Maxime to be PM. As much as you may hate Scheer – he is your only hope in this election cycle.
commented 2019-02-07 22:19:03 -0500
Sounds like the natives ‘re gettin’ restless…LOL.
Something must have happened to get all the trolls out screechin’ with their panties all twisted up in knots…maybe they need a cranberry juice.
I’ve been seeing a lot of that fear and uncertainty/deer-in-the-headlights-glazed-eyes look on lefty progressives lately. A lot of that was goin’ on the other night at the SOTU too…on the left side of that House…Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez comes to mind – although I guess she always looks kinda stunned.
Maybe it was the bigger-picture-idea of the $20 Billion in transfer payments last year, that someone here mentioned earlier – and how much independence that kind of wealth could buy – and remove from the grasp of the Laurentian Elite…
commented 2019-02-07 21:37:52 -0500
Anything could happen Jimmy. One thing for sure is that Scheer is a waste of precious time and people are tired of being ‘suckered’.
You, with your Rubin remarks, are just so reliably and consistently typical Jimmy. Your formula for attack never deviates. You are consistent, kind of like a bot or something. I’m sure you’re not though. More like a paid troll. Yes, pick your boss, they all do it. As much as you protest the accusation, we both know you don’t do it for the sport.
Have fun , we love you.
commented 2019-02-07 19:18:10 -0500
liza Rosie,

It was one of Rubin’s least watched episodes and certainly not impressive if we are talking about the Canadian population. Don’t try to make something out of nothing in the big picture.

He cannot beat Trudeau. His inability to speak English (which many have complained about even if they can still understand him) is among many of the reasons why, but I see you are all in on Bernier and are expecting Trudeau to lose.
commented 2019-02-07 18:47:11 -0500
Andrew Stephenson,
Who ever buys the deal is the sucker.
commented 2019-02-07 17:48:44 -0500
Karen Macleod commented 3 hours ago
Somebody is a coward in all of this separation talk, John Wick.
And its not Trudeau because he doesn’t the power to stop Alberta."

Removing 40 reliable conservative seats from Parliament helps the Liberals a great deal.
commented 2019-02-07 16:29:22 -0500
That’s why there were so many views and likes, right John? If people liked the message it means they listened to the message, which means they had no problem understanding the message. Who the fck cares about the accent, I mean seriously if you don’t vote for him because of his accent you are an idiot Jimmy.
Oh yeah….
commented 2019-02-07 16:23:15 -0500
Absolutely painful to try to get through even if you like his message.
commented 2019-02-07 16:00:23 -0500
I mean Jimmy.
commented 2019-02-07 15:59:32 -0500
Thanks for the reminder John.
For anyone who hasn’t watched the Rubin interview yet. Part 1 and 2. or full version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_jDNowMxA
Maxime Bernier on Canadian Politics (Pt. 1)
97,552 views
5.2K likes
161 dis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc6BREHHGF8
Maxime Bernier on Justin Trudeau (Pt. 2)
74,643 views
4.1K likes
82 dis
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIu_JBlI6PU
Maxime Bernier: The Next Prime Minister of Canada? (Full Interview)
49,153 views
2.6K likes
85 dis
commented 2019-02-07 15:44:44 -0500
Oh, hey jimmy duh sylva, how are you?
commented 2019-02-07 15:18:58 -0500
Liza,

I am very sure about Bernier. People tried to watch him on Dave Rubin and they couldn’t understand what he was saying. His English is atrocious and that is going to impact him badly when trying to campaign and debate.

Scheer will lose as well and then the Conservative Party will get a new leader who may win the next election, but 2019 is going to Trudeau re-elected.
commented 2019-02-07 15:11:10 -0500
I’m thinking less and less of my great counter parts in Alberta.
Just divorce already.
Where’s their sense of dignity?
Quebec & Canada are all threats and if there was an old agreement, stick to the letter, just take off & make yourselves great again, Alberta.
Alberta can make more money in the long run without Quebec & Ontario stealing it all. Even if Alberta has hardships, the trade w the USA will be phenomenal. Alberta will bounce back and Canada might respect them again.
Alberta should be a leader, be independent but if Albertans whine, nobody will respect Albertans.
If Alberta trades with the USA, the world & every other country is your oyster Alberta.
BC is not going anywhere because were so diverse, we need the feds to help us get along and we like that on the whole.
Really, leaving can’t be any worse than staying.
commented 2019-02-07 15:01:42 -0500
If you were so sure John, you wouldn’t be here.
There is concern. The status quo is crumbling before our very eyes.
Carry on John.
commented 2019-02-07 15:00:53 -0500
Somebody is a coward in all of this separation talk, John Wick.
And its not Trudeau because he doesn’t the power to stop Alberta.
He can’t make you stay, prairies.
Its all on you. Grow up or shut up.
commented 2019-02-07 14:54:11 -0500
Maxime Bernier will never be PM. Mark my words. He is going to lose against Trudeau as will Scheer.
commented 2019-02-07 14:52:10 -0500
Separating is always an empty threat to try to get what you want. The rest of Canada wouldn’t care If Alberta wanted to separate, so Alberta is left with no power to negotiate.
commented 2019-02-07 14:36:01 -0500
…more corrupt and more infiltrated by groups who have no business being in our business.
commented 2019-02-07 14:33:51 -0500
“…my husband and I are with them if they are serious”
Jill, Maxime Bernier and the Peoples Party of Canada are as serious as a heart attack. He is in it to win.

Justin’s scandals are piling up fast. I am hoping that at least some of his main unelected henchmen are going to be taken to task soon, and at the very least Justin will be badly hobbled by election day. What country is more corrupt than Canada right now?
commented 2019-02-07 13:43:22 -0500
Paul McCullough,
not to worry. trudeau is having the canadian tax payers cover the loss for the quebec farmers (after trudeaus f*cked up the trade deal) and he also is pandering to Quebec (what else is new)by having all the invaders into quebec, sent to ontario to suck the life out of us, and from what I have just read, EVEN THOUGH QUEBEC JUST VOTED OUT THEIR PROVINCIAL LIBERALS, THEY ARE ALL VOTING TRUDEAU IN OCTOBER!! big shock as quebec has been a traitor to canada since day one-just like their psycho boy on parliament hill! Canada ceased to be a nation the minute trudeau removed our border laws, security and sovereignty and then sealed it when he signed on to the u.n.open borders/no one is illegal/migrant pact (canada is the ONLY WESTERN LAND TO SIGN ON TO THIS DEATH PACT)! Too bad canuks were too bush SHOPPING to give a damn! God help your innocent children because clearly canadians don’t give a damn as long as they can shop and their entitlements continue to roll- which they are DONE AS OF OCTOBER 2019!!!
commented 2019-02-07 13:36:28 -0500
my husband and I are with them if they are serious and it looks like mohammad adolf trudeau has bought and paid for the next election- just as I warned to no avail, and therefore, while I already warned canada no longer exists as a nation (FACT) CANADA IS DONE AND AFTER MOHAMMAD AND HIS NAZIS GET IN AGAIN IN OCTOBER, CANUKS HAD BETTER START PACKING BECAUSE WE WILL NOT SURVIVE HIM OR HIS SEWER RAT INVADERS! FACT!
I tried warning of this pre election 2015 and here I am warning still while EVERYTHING I WARNED HAS COME TRUE and there is much more on it’s way which will effectively WIPE WE CANADIANS, OUR RACE, CULTURE OFF THE MAP AND OUT OF THE HISTORY BOOKS BECAUSE CANUKS COULDN’T BE BOTHERED FIGHTING BACK!
commented 2019-02-07 13:24:31 -0500
- The west is getting screwed so the polls about a western separatist party are not surprising. Scheer is a weak leader. He’s risk averse. He’s not playing to win, he’s playing not to lose (if that makes sense). The attacks on Bernier have already started. B’nai Brith just did a hit piece on one of his people. Given their connection to the far left ADL, I’m skeptical to say the least.

- So the Liberals botched the free trade agreement in a much bigger way than was first thought. If we had adults running the country we could have worked with the Trump administration & we could be looking at prosperity instead of a made in Canada recession.
commented 2019-02-07 13:15:43 -0500
LIZA ROSIE commented 1 hour ago.
[…..] There will never be a better time than this time.

You are right Liza, if we stay as we are we will end up becoming members of the Marxist controlled Trudeau dream and wet behind the ears.