November 14, 2015

Poll: 31% of Syrian refugees support ISIS -- and Trudeau is importing 25,000 by Christmas

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

So Justin Trudeau says he’s going to import 25,000 Syrian migrants by Christmas. Which is seven weeks away.

Put aside questions like: How will our social services handle them? How many Canadian homeless will be displaced by Syrian homeless? How many hospital beds will be reserved for them?

Here’s what I’m worried about instead:

How do you do background checks on 25,000 people, coming from a terrorist wasteland, in seven weeks?

Type their names into Google? Ask for a resume?

I'll show you a video of Syrian “moderates”, fighting against the terrorist-supporting Syrian government. They’ve put women from the Alawite ethnic minority in a cage on a pickup truck as human shields, because that’s the ethnic clan that Syrian dictator Bashar Assad is from.

Remember: These are the "moderates."

Syria is one of the most backward countries in the world. For liberals, if gay rights is your thing, you’re pretty much importing 25,000 homophobes.

Syria is also the country that was clocking 200 honour killings a year before the civil war — which has surely skyrocketed as Muslim men kill any sisters or wives who have been raped in the course of war.

What about Syrians and other refugees who've never been violent, but who, in their regular lives, hate the West, hate women, hate minorities, hate gays, hate Jews, hate liberal democracy?

Well, there's actually a recent scientific poll of Syrian refugees, carried out by the Arab Centre for Research and Public Policy Studies, headquartered in Doha, Qatar. (SCROLL DOWN to see the whole survey.)

Let me show you the bundle of joy we’re about to import by Christmas:

31% of Syrian refugees disagree with the objective of defeating the Islamic State terrorist group.

So out of 25,000 refugees, 7,500 will be ISIS lovers.

41% are Jew-hating, America-hating bigots.

97% are gay-hating, probably women-hating bigots.

Again: How do you screen them out?

If you’re Justin Trudeau, you don’t — because you don’t care, as long as they vote for you in 2019.

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commented 2015-11-03 20:20:07 -0500
CATHY ROCHFORD – so how about in the last 15 years then. How many Muslim civilian deaths and injuries were the result of the US led invasion in Iraq and in Afghanistan? Are you going to argue that US leaders and US politics in general are not marked, guided and at times openly driven by Christian ideology?

Don’t worry Cathy, I’m not naive enough to think I will change your mind. I can see you feel very passionate about your view and I expect you hold it for the best of reasons – because you think it keeps you and the people you love safe.

Would any argument I make really matter to you?.

The challenge for all of us is that narrative, video and images are easily available and very compelling while real and verifiable data is hard to collect, verify, and interpret. It might not even tell us what to do anyway.

The situation we face is about as complex as it gets and by definition complex systems are always unpredictable (recent elections a simple case in point)

Theory suggest that the best way to act in the face of complexity is to collect and take into consideration as many disparate (even contradictory) perspectives as possible, look for patterns and heuristics, and use these as guides to some action that aims to incrementally lessen negative outcomes and encourage positive ones. And then do it all over again (and again) as the system reacts and changes.

Humans have survived in part because we’ve learned to avoid possible danger and we are much better at doing that than seeking out improvement. As such it’s very easy to see your point. Clearly some part of all those stories about “them others” must be true. And even if it’s only a little true – why would we in our relative safety and our extraordinarly privilege take any chances. It’s pretty much all downside – yes?

But maybe we need to also ask the equally important question: What is the danger in NOT accepting and accommodating Syrian refugees?

The other known characteristic of complex systems is that they tend to react to maintain their stability. As such they are often seen as behaving counter intuitively to linear thinking. Did we lessen the risk of terrorism by invading Iraq and Afghanistan as we intended or did we create the conditions in which the very ideologies we opposed are now thriving? If we had taken the billions we spent on those wars and instead used it to build their schools and infrastructure, to improve the wellbeing of “those others” I wonder if the result would have been the same?

Are you sure the actions you’re promoting will not in fact make matters worse?

And no – I don’t have any other identity here and yes I am very much in favor of the changes to sex education in this province. But you knew that.
commented 2015-11-03 20:06:41 -0500
Terry Ruden you really think if you went and asked the general public in Europe if they approved of more refugees they would support this? And as always you take one in your home and assume responsibility for them if you are so noble.
commented 2015-11-03 20:04:50 -0500
OH NO someone played the race card , i guess we all better just knuckle under LMAO.
The race card means nothing to me. Especially when the person playing it is usually nervous when they are around the people they are defending.
commented 2015-11-03 20:03:23 -0500
Georges Mom there is plenty of evidence to that effect, try looking at Europe. Even other Muslim countries do not want them.
commented 2015-11-03 19:05:53 -0500
Georges mom, Stick with the present time. Don’t bring up things from 200 – 800 years ago. That is all irrelevant and has nothing at all to do with the present Islamic invasion that is now going on in many parts of the world. Islamic terrorists are invading and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and you with your smugness prove you could care less. Nobody want to hear about it and you will not get any support here . Are you Joan Abernathy, another alias you used to promote the perverted Wynne’s homosexual sex ed? Nevermind, you wouldn’t admit to this anyway.
commented 2015-11-03 18:57:02 -0500
I am sure that whatever number of refugees Canada can accommodate can be filled by Christians and Muslim apostates. There is no reason to accept even one Sharia compliant person as these people do not share our values. Sharia forbids freedom of conscience and speech. It does not believe in the separation of church and state, gender equality or religious equality. It is barbaric.
commented 2015-11-03 18:56:23 -0500
Terry….how come yo never reply to me……..:-)

CHICKEN!!!!
commented 2015-11-03 18:46:19 -0500
George’s mom, Are you really that lame? Just look it up on the internet. There are plenty of videos and stories to back up what I say. There are no Christians mass murdering muslims right now (but there most definitely should be and will be soon in retaliation for the filthy war that is being waged on them by the scum of the earth) or anyone else mass murdering anyone for that matter. Your comment is full of the same old regular lies and made up hallucinations of the mind. You are in denial and for what sane reason can you give us? You are a relative of Angela Merkel perhaps?
commented 2015-11-03 18:43:52 -0500
Terry, I’ll say one thing then drop it. You know I do not add my two cents (nickels?) unless I feel its warranted. It’s not fair to paint everyone with the same brush. You said so yourself before and yet you did just that. I had to call you out on it. Nothing more, nothing less.
commented 2015-11-03 18:25:21 -0500
George’s Mom: there are sites on the left that play exactly the same role – Rabble.ca comes to mind. They too exist in order to reassure a particular ideological community that they’re right, that everyone else is wrong, and that there’s a comforting rationale to explain away uncomfortable realities that interfere with the chosen worldview. However, Rabble.ca differs from the Rebel in two ways: (a) they don’t pretend to be a “news” site, and (b) lies, errors and bad logic on the part of the posters get mercilessly shredded (instead of defended and occasionally celebrated).
commented 2015-11-03 18:21:51 -0500
Hyacinth: I’m sure we could have a wonderful conversation somewhere, some day, but this particular peanut gallery doesn’t bring out the best in you.
commented 2015-11-03 18:17:11 -0500
Terry, admit it, you walked into that one. Hug?
commented 2015-11-03 18:12:41 -0500
Hyacinth: sorry, I’m not interested in watching you demean yourself by pretending to be dense.
commented 2015-11-03 18:12:03 -0500
Way to go Rebels (and thank you TERRY RUDIN). You did indeed miss my points – but still managed to confirm much of what I wrote.

In all the your comments since I could not any objective data … no facts – lots of opinion, bombast, rhetoric and conjecture for sure – that show Muslim refugees pose some significant danger and certainly no danger beyond that of any other group of refugees let alone our fellow Canadians generally.

CATHY ROCHFORD. I have not seen what immigrants are doing to Germany and the rest of Europe but other than the opinion of some select commentators and some select anecdotes … do you have documented facts? Data? Something you’d like to post or link to help educate us?

Actually Cathy I am honestly curious how you organize these things in your mind.

Yes, I agree – anybody who reads (even the MSM!) understands – there is great deal of evil done by people who follow the Muslim faith. And no doubt some of these people use their religion to justify their actions.

But that is not particular to this one group. There are endless examples of evil doing Jews, Christians, Protestants, Hindus etc. etc. Right now we hear about Muslims because that’s the way such stories feed on themselves.

And most every ancient religious text promotes things most Canadians today would find abhorrent. There is plenty in the Christian Bible promoting slavery, the rape of young girls and the murder of those who do not believe.

People may not even need religious justifications either – Wikipedia identifies that the number of people killed by their intimate partner every year in the US is about the same per capita as the number of so called honor killings in Syria.

Should we bar Americans from coming to Canada too?

And when the million + Irish immigrants arrived in North America, there was also a great deal of concern over “that type of immigrant” with both Catholics and Protestants promoting the view (with lots of “facts”) that it was just not safe being around the other.

Are we worse off because now because we accepted them?

I certainly can’t claim your concerns are wrong. Who knows. And that’s the point – you don’t know and neither do I. There is no conclusive evidence to say that Syrian refugees pose more risk than any other group.

We can just decide its not worth the risk and close our borders. We can take a black and white stance on Muslims and/or immigrants, back it up with selective views, with selective facts, and selective opinions and just ignore the extraordinary suffering of a great many human beings.

Or we can take a cautiously open position, trust that the safeguards we have that keep us reasonably safe from most violent individuals, assume that most people actually just want to live and let live – whatever religion they follow – and do what we can to improve a really terrible situation.
commented 2015-11-03 18:08:56 -0500
You know , Ron Voss….I have often thought about…the enemy of my enemy is my friend…in the context of thf Finns…they were not really nazis…but were “co-beligerant”…the Finns who were Nazis got to join SS Viking….Jews served with pride in the Finnish armed forces…the Finns chased the Germans out of their territory as part of their surrender to the Russians…I have often wondered how would it have been if the Russians had been defeated…

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend ….nor is the friend of my enemy necessarily my enemy.
commented 2015-11-03 17:51:09 -0500
Although they accuse others of the same, the objective of our leftist trolls, who Lenin called “useful idiots”, “not the demographic the Rebel is trying to reach”, is to “feed a stream of blended information, misinformation and disinformation”. Some might ask, Can they be that ignorant about the true nature of Islam? I think not and the same applies to ‘leaders’ like Trudeau and Obama. Towards the end of the video I referenced previously “What The West Needs To Know About Islam”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YpJjRzQDIM&channel=TheDynamiteGeneral
the author, William Federer, having previously explained the religious, political and military dimensions of Islam, which follow the pattern of Muhammad’s life, he suggests to put aside the religious component of Islam, put it on the shelf and just examine political and militant Islam. He points out that the political and militant component has two qualities: Global conquest and, wherever it conquests and takes over, non-Muslims are not treated with equality. He then asked, in the last 70 years what political/military system did America face that #1, had a global conquest aspect to them and #2, where they took over, non-adherents were not equal? I will allow you to fill in the blanks: N_z_sm, Com_u_ism. Accordingly, understandable why leftists like TERRY RUDDEN consider Islam to be his ‘friend’ (that is, ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’).
commented 2015-11-03 17:44:53 -0500
Terry,,,,cut the crap……if you are right and we are wrong….will you accept liability and take responsibility for whatever these people do once they are inside our border….

Time for rheorical arguementation is over….from now on on this thread we shift gears and take it up a notch…from rhetoric and propaganda to LEGALESE (Law School jargon)…..responsibility…accountability…..restoration and reparation where warranted….

All of us ignorant hillbillies here at theREBEL…would like to avoid needless suffering…..far all concerned including the legitamit refugees.
commented 2015-11-03 17:34:05 -0500
Then you are a hypocrite Terry. Thanks for confirming it.
commented 2015-11-03 17:26:05 -0500
“do you include yourself in your description of the people visiting The Rebel on a regular or somewhat regular basis of being an angry person? "
No, Hyacinth, I do not. I am not the demographic the Rebel is trying to reach.
commented 2015-11-03 17:13:00 -0500
“And I think George’s Mom has missed the point of the “Rebel”, which is to feed a stream of blended information, misinformation and disinformation to a small, angry handful of folks.”

Sorry to point this out Terry, but since you seem to miss the irony of your own posting…. You are here every day Terry and actively posting, do you include yourself in your description of the people visiting The Rebel on a regular or somewhat regular basis of being an angry person? Or are you excluding yourself and only directing it at everyone else that visits this site, which of course would be so very hypocritical seeing that you are an active blogger. So are you exempt or do you include yourself in your description?
commented 2015-11-03 16:06:11 -0500
Why isn’t the richer Arab Muslim countries taking these refugees in such as U.A.E and Saudi Arabia? These people speak their languages and are accustomed to their religion.
commented 2015-11-03 15:55:09 -0500
I think folks have missed the point of George’s Mom’s posting, which is that the organization and presentation of “data” at the Rebel, particularly these “polls”, fails to meet even rudimentary standards of journalism.
And I think George’s Mom has missed the point of the “Rebel”, which is to feed a stream of blended information, misinformation and disinformation to a small, angry handful of folks. most of whom who don’t actually care about accuracy or balance.
commented 2015-11-03 15:51:05 -0500
BZ: You “are there often”? You travel frequently to Muslim countries these days?
commented 2015-11-03 15:34:21 -0500
Georges Mom – I suspect you do not know much about the world – but come to an Islamic country with me – I am there often – as a woman you will truly appreciate the life style – not the westernized business sections – the wild and woolly out lands where you need personal protection at all times – even when providing food and water to the locals.

You should see how they love their women.

And they are coming here.

Hopefully to live beside you and others like you.

Racist and hate filled posts?

Nope.

Realistic.

You have no idea.

Have a good one.
commented 2015-11-03 15:29:07 -0500
GEORGE’S MOM,
People on these pages are just expressing their opinions. Where are you from, Dearborn Matching? What is with your anti American bull? Why don’t you put on your salt shaker uniform and go for a walk, cool off. Sometimes the truth hurts, especially if you follow the Dogma of Islam.
commented 2015-11-03 15:16:24 -0500
They will also be given housing in TCH pushing everyone else down the list by several years, don’t forget the free healthcare, schooling and ESL and funded jobs that we can’t have access to. Know one knows who these people are, most of the so-called “refugees” are not Syrian and not families and are mostly angry muslim males who hate each other and us. I guess we are also on the hook for their airfare here. Don’t sit on the subway near an abandoned backpack anymore.
commented 2015-11-03 15:14:50 -0500
George’s mom, Have you seen what these Islamic immigrants are doing to Germany and the rest of Europe? Are you not aware of the unending call by the Islamic agenda to conquer the world through hijra, which mohammed outlined in the stinking Koran? Hijra is the taking over of a country through massive immigration, exactly what is happening in Europe, especially Germany right now. These are not peace loving people. They are comprised of mainly young men (up to 80%) which does not resemble a typical desperate refugee. Stop pretending or lying about the reality of the seriousness of the Islamic invasion.
I watched a Geert Wilders video the other day. He is a political representative from the Netherlands who speaks truthfully against the Islamic agenda. He said moments before the plane crash into the twin towers it was discovered on the black box what one of the terrorists said to the frightened passengers on the plane “Just be quiet and everything will be alright.” People have to speak out loud and clear and never keep quiet about the Islamic threat. To remain quiet is to be doomed.
commented 2015-11-03 15:14:29 -0500
@ George’s Mom – so if they do not wish to do the following:

Ask the Syrians these questions:

Will you renounce Sharia law?
Will you renounce the killing of apostates?
Will you renounce forced marriage of young girls to old men?
Will you renounce honour killings? (pc: should be more of it – it helps the attrition rate!)
Will you renounce the killing of those who sketch or draw Mohammed?
Will you renounce female genital mutilation?
Will you renounce the beating of wives in accordance with the book?
Will you renounce isolation and preach assimilation into Canadian* culture? (*insert name of infidel / kafir nation)
Will you renounce halal fees on food items sold in grocery stores (fees ultimately or directly go to support terror)?
Will you renounce the killing of homosexuals?
Will you renounce the subjugation of women?
Will you renounce hate speak towards non ’slamics?
Will you renounce Taqiyya?
Will you renounce slavery?
Will you renounce the automatic call for a slammers death if they do all of the above?
And more – much more……

The answer is always no.

You want to allow them in and live next door to you – supporting their beliefs?

A simple yes or no would suffice.
commented 2015-11-03 14:43:17 -0500
Well George’s Mom, how about the fact the MSM doesn’t mention that the vast majority of these refugees are men, because they left their women and children behind in Turkey and Syria? How about your ends to flood Canada with would be Justin voters? Does that justify putting us all in danger? The left is genius at fabricating truths and repeating lie after lie. Like claims they are Muslim neighbours who are great and decent people.
commented 2015-11-03 14:32:15 -0500
Have any of you – who seem so ready to support Ezra’s claims – seen the survey that Ezra mentions? Don’t you even question what was asked, of whom and in what context? Where’s the link or reference? You may feel like the mainstream media (whatever that is) is too liberal but at least they have standards for reporting. So Ezra, how about it. 97% Women hating? Does percentage include the women that responded? Did the questions include, “Do you hate women?” or “Are you a bigoted hater of America?”

I get there is a part of society that feels insecure and twisted-up. Likely for very good reasons (I’m guessing more to do with their upbringing than any real experience with Muslims). I get there may also be some who just lack analytic capacity, because they’re young or because they’ve never been supported in developing it.

But some of you must be decently educated, even worldly. How do you justify the kind of hate this site promotes? Does it all come down to “I want my team to win”? “The other guys do it so why can’t I?”

Do you ever stop and ask yourself if the end justifies the means? Do you ever wonder if what you are promoting and the way you promote it does more damage than good?

I really wonder how Ezra and the others who contribute to this site do it … how do they justify the lies, the dissembling the destructive divisiveness? Other than a job and attention – are there personal benefits? If the only way to promote your ideas is by KNOWINGLY twisting, manipulating and misrepresenting the truth, what does that say about your ideas?