August 17, 2016

Pro-sharia Imam says Muslims not responsible for actions of Strathroy jihadist

Andrew LawtonRebel Commentator

Just one week after failed terrorist Aaron Driver attempted to launch an attack on Canadian soil, a London, Ontario-based Muslim preacher is saying we must "not jump to conclusions" about what happened.

Mazin AbdulAdhim, who runs a popular YouTube ministry for Muslims, posted on Facebook last week that the Muslim community shouldn't apologize for the actions of radicals.

"Even if the information is true, we must not allow these sorts of events to cause us to be pressured to apologize for actions that we are not responsible for, nor should this cause us to become afraid of speaking the truth," he wrote. "The governments of the West kill and help kill dozens of innocent civilians every day, and the crimes they have committed against humanity through their foreign policies are orders of magnitude worse than anything these individuals have committed or tried to commit."

AbdulAdhim's comments border on Strathroy trutherism. Do we want to trust the words of law enforcement who were on the scene or give the benefit of the doubt to a man who filmed himself threatening to take Canadian lives before detonating a bomb in a cab?

Understanding what causes and bolsters radicalization is important, but we must also understand that terrorists do not require a reason to want to kill--it's part of who they are.

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commented 2016-08-19 19:04:41 -0400
At what time do we declare war on these throw backs bring in the war measures act and route out these throw backs
These Muslim throw backs have been at war with the civilized world since the seventh century it’s time we dealt them a blow they won’t forget this cult has to be extinguished


commented 2016-08-19 09:38:51 -0400
@anonymous… if your comparison to Vonce Lee has any validity all we would have to do with the guys who are on peace bond or under surveillence is apprehend them under provisions of the Mental Health Act and get Bruno to ram the appropriate dossage of seratonin re-uptake inhibitors down their throats…..then VOILA!!! No more conversations with Allah in their head.

The Vince Lee comparison is sophistry and nothing more.

I get your point about apologies. I do not agree with ANY of the apologies that ANY of our prime ministers have given to grievance groups…for exactly the reasons you state.

But Imam Mazin Abdul Adhim didn’t say they owe no apology because they are innocent. He said they owe no apology because we got it comming…….meaning it is us who owe the muslims an apology for all the bogus reasons you state….

Anonymous….I mastered rhetoric back in the day when it was considered an academic science….you are an amateur.
commented 2016-08-19 02:35:53 -0400
No, it’s that you just don’t get it. This is what happens when you have a double standard.
commented 2016-08-18 23:28:22 -0400
Your comparisons are a skewed version of the truth, and your logic only makes sense to you.
commented 2016-08-18 20:53:03 -0400
The enemy here is the guy with the bomb. The people who are of the same religion as the guy with the bomb, should absolutely not be obligated to give an apology, especially if they themselves do not have a bomb.

Just because you have something in common with a bad person, does not make you guilty. Not wanting to give an apology is perfectly reasonable.

Take Ezra and his hatred of the Gypsies. Should all Jews be obligated to give an apology because Ezra openly bashed the Gypsies? I would hope not.

This is how the logic works. Vince Lee, a mentally ill person killed somebody. Andrew is also mentally ill. Does that mean he should give an apology because Vince Lee killed somebody on the bus?
commented 2016-08-18 15:12:19 -0400
Glenn Craig excellent post, "Caliph Bigdaddy and the like minded imams CAN and DO invoke it and they are responsible for it. It is in their power to call a stand down…but since they do not …..:-)

Nobody is looking for an apology ….they are looking for an end to the incitement to violence."
commented 2016-08-18 15:09:01 -0400
Any ‘fundamentalist’, ‘moderate’ or ‘reformist’ Muslim , who follows the Koran, has to take some responsibility for the violence dealt out in it’s name. The ’Muslim’s in name only’ (what ever the hell that means) plead ignorance or disconnection, so excuse themselves with that caveat.
To convert, does the candidate not have to recite what ever the phrase is that gets you in, in front of other Muslim’s? That probably took place in the Mosque he attended. Wouldn’t they know he was already radicalized by the internet when he walked in the door, yet they still embraced him. The sermons he would have heard in any Mosque would have been from the same book he was radicalized from, the Koran.
Of course not all would perform a violent deed for Allah, but how many would make excuses for the deed as this Imam has done, by saying the west deserved worse. Probably most of his congregation, and it doesn’t give much hope for others. They all teach Sharia law, supremacy, eventual subjugation of non believers and rewards in heaven for acts committed in the name of Allah.
Shame would be a normal reaction, but instead Muslim’s if not condoning the act of violence to our face, tell us we deserved it. Or, some say it’s not condoned in Islam. Read the Koran and you will see that is a lie.
Anonymous, your logic goes around too many corners in an attempt to justify, to make any sense. I don’t know which Anonymous you are or if you are Muslim or not, but your example is a perfect example of Islamic taqiyya.
To argue no responsibility is just semantics.
commented 2016-08-18 12:04:11 -0400
The radicals are those who don’t follow the calls to murder and lie in the Koran. They are the ones who do not believe in a caliphate. The rest, the incredible majority of Muslims, believe in following the hatred of the Koran and how all non-Muslims are filth under their feet.

When things are done in the name of Islam because Islam demands or expects this, it is not done by radicals but by true believers with the support of their community.

If they truly do not believe in these actions, apologise so the message gets out that this is unacceptable. To do otherwise just confirms to other Muslims that this is how to act.
commented 2016-08-18 11:08:43 -0400
Who is the enemy here? The enemy is the radical, extremist terrorist who uses the ideology of a religion to justify the killing of those who oppose him/her. The enemy is those who turn a blind eye and tacitly support the terrorist by doing nothing. The enemy is those who attempt to justify terrorism by putting forth excuses in an attempt to explain it. The enemy is those who willfully deny the truth of what is happening and sweep it under the rug.

The enemy is the mainstream media that refuse to expose the true extent of radical terrorist actions. The enemy is the politician who says one thing to the voters, but does the opposite. The enemy is the more moderate adherent of any religion that does not expose the radical element within that religion. The enemy is the state that allows radical extremist groups to exist. The enemy is anyone who calls another a bigot, a zenophobe, a racist when that person holds an opinion that is counter to his/her own.

And, my comments re religion refer to any and all world religions who harbour radical extremists within their folds.
commented 2016-08-18 08:36:38 -0400
@anonymous….In the movie “the accused” with Jodie Foster (based on actual events) the guys who cheered and egged on the gang rape did time.

Westboro does not have paramilitary recruitment nor does it commit murder in the name of God.

The shrapnel from suicide bombs is not directed by “inshallah” unless you believe that each shard that happens to kill a moslem at the air/train/bus terminal is directed by “inshallah”….if that is the case then there is no such thing as murder because anyone who dies a violent death is “inshallah” and submitting one’s own willfullness to Allah’s peace is absurd and meaningless.

Muslims do not need to “apologise” in the sense of saying they are sorry for something they did not do. Each individual is responsible for his own kharma. But this Imam is an “apologist” because he rationaized this behavior with an “apologia” …if you do not understand the meanings of those words read the story of the Apologia of Justin Martyr (who’s name is where we get that expression)

Christians were blamed for the fire of Rome…it is quite possible that some “lone wolf” did it but we will never know for sure because the Romans had many enemies at the time and many ethnic ghettos in Rome. But no Orthodox Christian clergy advocated it….the Gnostics did…..and they were excommunicated as heretics. Justin Martyr wrote a very eloquent letter to the emporer trying to explain this and was used as a torch at a garden party for his efforts.

In a way I know what you are getting at anonymous. When I was involved in family law reform I had dealings with some very angry men. But violent expression of their wrath was not mine to invoke nor was it mine to stand down. Caliph Bigdaddy and the like minded imams CAN and DO invoke it and they are responsible for it. It is in their power to call a stand down…but since they do not …..:-)

Nobody is looking for an apology ….they are looking for an end to the incitement to violence.
commented 2016-08-18 03:13:08 -0400
It’s called a counter example.

Most Muslims do not blow up bombs. So therefore, Muslims that do not detonate bombs should not have to apologize for Driver.

Just like Andrew did not try to kill other people when he tried to kill himself, unlike Driver. So therefore, Andrew should not have to apologize for Driver.

Make sense?
commented 2016-08-18 03:04:17 -0400
commented 2016-08-18 03:03:06 -0400
Anonymous you are not just an ignoramus, you are an asshole.
commented 2016-08-18 03:00:45 -0400
Anonymous( I think not the usual one using that name here) there is one very, very huge difference, Islam.
If you believe what you posted that’s what you are an ignoramus. If you are just using taqiyya then you are a terrorist sympathizer just like Mazin AbdulAdhim, and any other Muslim who makes excuses for anyone who follows the hateful directions of Mohammad.
commented 2016-08-18 02:58:09 -0400
Here is a better example. Andrew tried to kill himself before. Using the same logic, should he have to apologize for every nut job on a suicide mission? Should Andrew have to apologize for Driver, as they both had suicidal intentions, despite that is all they have in common?
commented 2016-08-18 02:33:07 -0400
Anon Christians usually condemn Westboro and the scum at Westboro have not killed anyone.
commented 2016-08-18 02:18:39 -0400
Of course Muslims should not have to apologize for the actions of a terrorist. Look at it this way. Should all Christians have to apologize for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church, or for some child molesting priest?

Here is a better example, Andrew. Lets use you as an example since you have a mental illness. Should you have to apologize for Vince Lee, since the two of you have a mental illness? Last time I checked, you were more interested in giving out Vince Lee’s new name, Will Baker.
commented 2016-08-18 01:24:55 -0400
All analysts aside, the RCMP used the most effective de-radicalization techniques in dealing with Aaron Driver and should be commended. Ralph Goodale and company should take notes.
commented 2016-08-18 00:26:34 -0400
The campaign that Mazin speaks of, that the media is waging against Islam and Muslims. I have one question. When the hell is that going to be starting up ? Because so far all mainstream media does is manipulate the facts to any story in favor of the Muslims. They get a glowing pass no matter what outrageous behavior they demonstrate. What you will never see is an attack by Muslims on any media headquarters, because they realize that our traitorous media outlets are their best buddies. If the government does not start stopping the spread of this depraved, savage, violent, evil ideology called Islam, it’s going to turn very ugly. Cast your eyes to Europe, that is our future, especially with the likes of Trudie at the helm. At this critical point in history, as we are called to fight against the evil ideology of Islam, we find ourselves with the worst leader we could possibly imagine in the Prime Ministers office. If Harper had been elected, we would be fighting back, but with Trudie, he can’t wait to surrender. Get ready, because Doomsday is closing in.
commented 2016-08-17 23:33:10 -0400
Choudry was brazen, is brazen, and got away with spewing his hatred and arrogant supremacy with out being taken down by the law for a long time. I agree that this Mazin Abdul Adhim is cut from the same cloth and will unabashedly spread the ‘word’ to his followers and take joy in telling us to our faces what will happen in our own country when the Muslim numbers reach critical mass just like Choudry.
Mazin Abdul Adhim has shown his true colours and it’s pretty clear what kind of Muslim he is. He and his followers follow the same ‘religion’ as Driver did. A ‘religion’ (theocracy) which advocates submission or death.
He basically said, ‘yeah so what? That was nuthin, and you kafir deserved it and worse for what you have done to Muslim’s.’
Driver went to Mosque, I’d like to hear more from that Imam. The one who told police Driver was a problem but had tried to dissuade Driver from his ‘extreme’ views. I wonder how much he knew about Driver’s plan?
commented 2016-08-17 20:12:20 -0400
No no no…muslims are never ever at fault.
commented 2016-08-17 19:52:12 -0400
Tareq Fatah would be an enemy, an enemy of devoted Muslims, that is, those like ISIS who live according to what is commanded in the Qu’aran and the example of the life of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. According to the Qu’aran, someone who claims to be a Muslim and doesn’t follow the teachings of the Qu’aran is regarded as a hypocrite and deserving of the same outcome as infidels.
commented 2016-08-17 19:33:58 -0400
Bravo said, “Anything islam is evil That is all anyone needs to know.”

Completely agree. Not all Muslims follow Islam. Muslim in name only. … … or do you think you have 1.2 billion enemies? Tarek Fatah, is he an enemy?
commented 2016-08-17 19:24:09 -0400
Oh ever so enlightened a-hole, err I mean, imam would you please explain the following atrocities committed by muslims: the islamic muslim ottoman empire committing the holocaust of over 1 million Christians in the early 1900’s; all of the violent terrorist attacks in the last few years against non muslims killing hundreds of thousands of innocent non muslim lives; the millions of innocent lives snuffed out by muslims just because they were not muslims since the inception of islam; the constant whining of the crusades when in reality the crusades was retaliation against muslims after 4.5 centuries of constant attacks and brutalization by muslims; etc, etc. No need for muslims to apologize for anything they do, ever, isn’t that so. But if somebody wears a cross, star of David, or happens to tell the truth about islam, we never hear the end of it. You can go to hell with your lies and deception. You people have no conscience and don’t deserve to breathe the same air as everyone else.
commented 2016-08-17 18:36:19 -0400
Anything islam is evil

That is all anyone needs to know.
commented 2016-08-17 18:19:58 -0400
Is this imam speaking for the Muslim convert PM? The silence is truly deafening.
commented 2016-08-17 18:06:45 -0400
Nah muslims shouldn’t apologize. What they should do is fuck off back to whatever toilet they fled from in the first place and leave canada to the canadians.
commented 2016-08-17 17:20:19 -0400
First…the Islamic State has killed more mulims than we ever have and they dismiss this by saying that those they have killed were just kuffars and had it coming… I suppose that if it’s OK to make such judgements the west could also say that those we have killed weren’t really muslims they were just kuffars. As every muslim seems to know and no muslim seems to question…it’s OK to kill kuffars.

Second….there has never been a foreign policy to kill muslims simply because they are muslims.

Third….none of these imams can provide ANY evidence Koranic or otherwise as to who’s side Allah is on in their sectarian massacres and purges….all of which greatly exceed any and all examples of western collateral damage.

Our young Wahabi Wanabee has condemned himself by his own words “inshallah” etc etc etc….apparently it was Allah’s will that he be gunned down before he slaked his blood thirst. Apparently the RCMP…Smith…and Wesson….are the instruments of Allah’s wrath against blasphemers who take his name in vain…against false accusers who condemn the innocent in the name of Allah’s justice without due process of that justice….against the willfull and totally freelance “lone wolf” who’s conversion and submission to Allah’s peace was as false and pretentious as his phoney Arabic accent. (Now if I was an Imam wouldn’t THAT sermon go a long way in restoring the notion that not all muslims approve of this sort of thing….but that is not the text nor the message of this clown’s sermon….so he is either lying to us…or lying to himself…which from a buddhist perspective is the worst lie of all) When the Romans sent captives who put up a good fight against them to the gladiatorial schools , the magister ludi would say to those who said that they would not fight “they all say that …Oh but fight you will…and what is more…when you hear the roar of the crowd you will love it”

Most hockey fans do not play hockey….most hockey players do not fight…but when there is a fight most hockey fans cheer…and THAT is the problem….if all hockey fans booed with the same passion that they cheer….no hockey player would fight.

When the police in Paris investigated the jihadhi safe house they found pizza crusts…analysed the ingredients…and checked out the hillal pizzarias in Mollenbeek….the holy warrior had been ordering pizzas with those toppings in his own name….pizza guy knew or aught to have known that he was aiding and abetting a wanted terrorist….he’s looking at twelve years in the penal no go zone for THAT bit of fanboy cheering.

Imam Mazin Abdul Adhim is cut from the same cloth as chowderhead Choudry…….he now has eyes on his webpage….and ears listening very attentively to his sermons. If that occurred to me or to others on the REBEL…you can bet that occurred to the RCMP, CSIS, the FBI, and to HOMELAND SECURITY. It would be wise on his part to stick to moral messages and to refrain from paramilitary recruitment.
commented 2016-08-17 17:11:23 -0400
I learned something the other day. The word slander in the west and in Islam are two completely different definitions. Slander in the west is to say hurtful untrue things to demean and diminish a persons credibility. In Islam slander is telling truths about someone that they do not want to be known by others, there by demeaning and diminishing a persons credibility. It’s scary how many people are out there that are completely ignorant to the context that these words are being used in. Innocence is another word with very big differences. Essentially they mean the same thing except that in Islam only Muslims qualify as innocent and if your a Muslim you can do no wrong because Muslims are the best of all the people on earth. You can be a wife beating, back stabbing, lying, cheating, cut throat, pediphile and that’s ok… If your Muslim. Non-Muslims on the other hand well we’re the guiltiest of the guilty, less then animal by Islamic standards. We should be given no quarter in this world and have our heads removed at the neck for not believing their profit.
Aren’t Islamic contexts fun?
commented 2016-08-17 17:10:25 -0400
Uh huh, nothing to do with Islam.