June 19, 2019

Canadian health care is collapsing, and the fix might hurt a little

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

Is an aging population and our bad lifestyle choices about to hit Canada's healthcare system like a tidal wave? How do we get out in front of it and improve the quality of care Canadians receive?

Those are serious questions facing Canadian politicians. Unfortunately, the only answer politicians from all sides of the spectrum have to those questions is to do more of the same: throw as much money as we can at a failing system.

Despite the constant influx of taxpayer cash, healthcare wait times are as long as they've ever been and more and more Canadians are traveling to the United States to seek timely, efficient and quality care for what ails them.

Will we ever do something different? My guest tonight hopes so.

Stephen Skyvington is the author of a new book called “This May Hurt a Little: Reinventing Canada’s Healthcare System.” In his book, he identifies some serious challenges Canada's changing demographics are presenting for politicians. Skyvington also debunks some commonly held myths about the Canada Health Act and our so-called single tier system.

He joins me tonight from his home in Cobourg, Ontario.

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commented 2019-07-28 17:42:10 -0400
How about healthy immigrants and paying immigrants just to start . Bringing in sick and old family members that go straight to hospitals is not helping . But I’m sure there is no politician that wants to go there .
Shut down the revolving door in Quebec and send all illegals back to Quebec . They let them in then they should care for them . Stop shipping them to Ontario . It costs $60,000 per immigrant just for legal fees and if they don’t have the money the tax payer picks up the tab . Why don’t some of you bleeding hearts try doing that in Iran or Iraq and see what happens . I’m sure you will get free lodging and food in their prison . Good luck .
commented 2019-07-05 08:43:17 -0400
The petro chemical hack and slash method of “health-care” is the problem, the cure for symptoms.. because that’s all they cure.. is the cause of most modern illness, the more you use it the more you think you need it when what you need is to get the hell away from it.
Funny how many after retirement come out against vaccines but not until then and you think these ghouls care about your health?
commented 2019-06-23 21:18:06 -0400
Around 14:20 minutes Skivington says, “I’ve been waiting to see if maybe Max Bernier is going to be the guy”. If you consider Bernier’s platform on health care, he may well be the guy.

Health Care: Giving Provinces the Incentives to Deal with Wait Times and Rising Costs

https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/health_care_giving_provinces_the_incentives_to_deal_with_wait_times_and_rising_costs

Excerpt: “Healthcare is an exclusive provincial jurisdiction…It is up to the provinces to implement reforms in line with the more efficient and less costly mixed universal systems of other developed countries…It is up to the provinces to implement reforms in line with the more efficient and less costly mixed universal systems of other developed countries. Throwing more federal money at the problem is not the right approach. On the contrary, it is part of the problem. Provincial governments will never make the tough decisions if they can always blame Ottawa for not sending enough money. We must end the current confusion over who does what and who is responsible for the problem.”
commented 2019-06-22 14:40:36 -0400
Unfortunately undiagnosable problems are very common. A reminder of how little we actually know about human biology. Disc replacement is a treatment for degenerating discs, similar to spinal fusion. It is not a general cure-all for back problems.
commented 2019-06-21 19:31:53 -0400
Andrew, I have been waiting for 12 years and seen 15 specialists and I still don’t have a diagnosis. Nor am I going to get one. My only hope is to go to Germany and get back surgery which I will do as soon as I have $40,000 burning a hole in my pocket.

I talked to the Manitoba director for these German surgeons. This was about 5 years ago. He said in the south east of the province 700 people had gone to Germany for surgery but he quit counting a few years before that. So add in the western parts and the north and factor for time then what are the numbers? In the multiple thousands for sure in a province of about a million souls. Why? Because they can’t get surgery here. We have one doc in the whole province who does them and if he decrees your problem isn’t serious enough the he simply doesn’t do them.

What we have is not the best medical system in the world; we have a very good critical care system. Once you are on death’s door with one of the big three- cancer, heart attack or stroke they do wonders, Until then you shut up and suffer.
commented 2019-06-21 13:22:01 -0400
DALE WARREN commented 13 hours ago.
“Allowing a Private Parallel System is what they do in France, Switzerland and many other successful countries . . . the Govt pays a Fee for Service to either Public or Private . . . unlike the Blanket Funding we do in Canada which helps to create the poor outcomes.
There is no incentive for the Public System to perform better . . . only Competition will do that !”

Are our outcomes actually that bad? In most cases our outcomes are comparable to the mixed European systems, and better than the Americans.

The public system isn’t meant to “compete”. It’s meant as a backstop for those who can’t afford or are uninsurable under a fully private system – which encompasses most of the seniors under whom the system is creaking today. Its quality is directly proportional to public spending.

The “competition”, those who are shifted off the public system in such circumstances, are not the major users of healthcare. Unless you’re American, where they will race to sell you gold plated care you don’t actually need.
commented 2019-06-21 10:30:03 -0400
PAUL DIXON
To Al: You have just been dealt a rough hand, and I hope that by me not being in the health care system so much you can receive relief and help to alleviate the issues that you face. I am happy to have my portion of taxes go towards helping you.
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Thanks for your good wishes, Paul, but I won’t be holding my breath. Doctors don’t get paid to heal us in our system. They just get paid to see us. Walk in the door, Cha-Ching. Walk out the door and you are forgotten.

I don’t even have a doctor here in Manitoba. My Alberta one got the boot. I filled in the online doctor request form about 3 months ago and have heard nothing.

Nope. Can’t hold my breath that long. I will go to the grave in this condition.

Sunny Ways!
commented 2019-06-21 10:23:55 -0400
Contrary to all evidence Andrew espouses more government incompetency to fix the problem. It hasn’t worked in the last 50 years but lets give them more free reign, and tax dollars and this time it will work. For sure, this time. Just like socialism.

Pillars 1 and 2 of Leftiedom.
commented 2019-06-21 02:08:04 -0400
Andrew Stephenson Diagnostics in Alberta got way faster and better when Ralph gave the contract to a private company. THAT IS A FACT!!!
commented 2019-06-21 02:06:26 -0400
Andrew Stephenson Notley raised taxes and spent tons of money and hired Bureaucrats and our system got slower and wait times got much longer. So stick your BS. Government is inefficient and bloated. And the best systems in the world are a public private mix. And funny how elitist left wingers seem to go to the US when they need care.
commented 2019-06-21 00:12:04 -0400
@ Andrew . . . . everything Trudope did was a Mis-take !
The boy Justin is an abject moron . . . .
Allowing a Private Parallel System is what they do in France, Switzerland and many other successful countries . . . the Govt pays a Fee for Service to either Public or Private . . . unlike the Blanket Funding we do in Canada which helps to create the poor outcomes.
There is no incentive for the Public System to perform better . . . only Competition will do that !
commented 2019-06-20 22:45:30 -0400
For those who have their DNA taken to determine their family heritage or for some possible genetically inherited medical problems, you just may be disqualified from health insurance.
Every time, every time you turn on the tv to a Canadian channel, one of those aggravating insurance commercials is on.
A real brain washing exercise, just like the climate emergency.
commented 2019-06-20 22:00:35 -0400
- The problem seems to be that the politicians on both side of the isle use the same kind of elitist advisors & are bombarded by a mainstream media that all too often seem to be of one voice. Throw in the lobbyists & you’ve effectively drowned out the people who are paying for it all – the taxpayers.
commented 2019-06-20 20:55:47 -0400
Stop cutting taxes, and keep finding ways to keep the workforce from shrinking so there are people to fix it. Yes, that will probably involve immigration. Yes, sin taxes, and maybe a sugar tax, are probably part of it as well. The fitness credit was one of the few things where Trudeau made a mistake reversing a Harper-era policy.

Partial privatization doesn’t really help. The wealthy already seek private treatment elsewhere. Those who need it the most can’t afford private insurance especially without a group plan. Those who can afford it don’t need it. And, even if you institute it, some future government will simply cut taxes leading us back to where we are today.
commented 2019-06-20 19:58:03 -0400
As we spend 10s of Billions on nonsense like “Klimate Change” . . . while importing millions from southern climes where their Karbon footprints are tiny . . . one has to ask “are Canadians really that friggin stooopid” ? ? ?
Meanwhile few Hospitals are built and fewer Doctors graduate our Universities.
Canadian HC has never been great . . . but thanks to our clueless politicians it is going downhill every year.

As HC becomes more and more elusive . . . and automation is about to decimate the workforce moving forward . . . we are still importing illiterates & semi-illiterates from the 3rd world. This makes no sense unless the goal is a Failing Socialist Welfare State!
commented 2019-06-20 17:49:32 -0400
well of course it is collapsing when the ENTIRE GLOBE IS WANDERING IN AND CASHING IN ON IT WHILE THE FEW CANADIANS WHO ACTUALLY WORK AND PAY FOR IT ARE BEING DENIED!
PLEASE READ:
PLEASE CANADIANS, read this:

https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform?utm_campaign=maxime160619_en&utm_medium=email&utm_source

THE END OF THE LINE IS HERE AND IF WE DON’T MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE THIS TIME, IT IS ALL OVER FOR NOT ONLY WE CANADIANS BUT CANADA!
commented 2019-06-20 17:44:17 -0400
To Harley: You are absolutely right – genetics can play a role. Then we need to take care of those who suffer from that. There are endless examples of that, from physical issues to emotional and psychological problems. The sign of a civilized, advanced country is that we take care of those people, as well as the needy, injured, and elderly (I likely have missed some groups). I am pleased to have my taxes go to help them. And more of my taxes can go to help them, and they may be able to get better and faster service, if I am not in their way and using up doctors’ time and health system money!

To Al: You have just been dealt a rough hand, and I hope that by me not being in the health care system so much you can receive relief and help to alleviate the issues that you face. I am happy to have my portion of taxes go towards helping you.

To Lawrence: I am 68 and have a bad knee and two recovering shoulders, so you and I are both old geezers who will likely need an increasing amount of care as time goes on. Wouldn’t it be nice if we were able to get that care because the younger generation was not bogging down and bankrupting the health care system because of lousy and unwise lifestyle choices?

Concerning immigrants: I am definitely not in favour of bringing in unlimited numbers of immigrants who have never paid taxes here, and then giving them free health care just so we can virtue signal to the rest of the world (or, in Trudeau’s case, to his puppet-masters at the UN). We should be using our tax dollars for Canadians. We cannot solve the world’s problems, and I do not want my hard-earned money being used that way.
commented 2019-06-20 16:57:29 -0400
I wasn’t overweight until I developed diabetes. Runs is both sides of the family. Then my back screwed up and screwed up my legs so they are aching and weak so I can’t do strenuous exercise. Just sold my hardly used bike. Gave away my new cross country skis. Sold my fishing boat because I can’t use them any more.

Tried doing some upland hunting 2 years ago and after an hour my legs were so shot I went back to the car and slept for an hour. Then I went home and gave it up as a bad idea.

Our illustrious health care system can’t figure out what is wrong with my legs (even though I can find the answer online). 15 specialists and 12 years later I am still no further ahead. Once you walk out their door your are forgotten. And the doctor that was helping with my symptoms and my diabetes got punted by the college or physicians for being too “unconventional”.

So, yeah, I am totally enamoured with our health care system.
commented 2019-06-20 16:18:09 -0400
I am definitely going to read this book. David Gratzer wrote a couple of excellent books ( Code Blue in 1999; Better Medicine in 2002 ) on this same subject. Our cowardly and short sighted politicians from all parties have continued to ignore this impending crisis for far too long
commented 2019-06-20 15:02:14 -0400
That is another thing. Doctors from third world countries some of whom are ideology driven, will outnumber those with western values. How do we know which are which? Do I not have a right to entrust my health to a doctor with my own western values?

Even the doctors brought in to service the influx won’t have a chance to assimilate properly considering the speed with which the country is filling up. Aside from being forced to pay for gov’t Medical, I pay out of pocket for alternative practitioners, some are partly gov’t funded and some are not at all, but at least I get SOME choice in what kind of care I get and who I get it from.
commented 2019-06-20 14:00:05 -0400
Paul Dixon , i don’t smoke , i drink moderate and i played squash until i was about 67 and then my joints couldn’t do it anymore and had to quit ,so please don’t preach ,i also spent thousand on dental care where’s turdo’s free loading immigrants get it free as well as other benefits not available to real canadians born and raised here, that is one reason for the horrible wait times and lack of doctors , i know as my doctor retired and it has been misery ever since trying to get in for medicare .
commented 2019-06-20 13:39:29 -0400
Some times, it is just genetics. No fault of the individual.
commented 2019-06-20 13:25:45 -0400
People are waiting, suffering and dying on Waitlists and I’m fed up with the Moron Tyrannical Left and their Sinister, Uneducated Agenda!

I’ve taken control of my health and life and I will never, ever give it up to the State. We the informed, educated, intelligent INDIVIDUAL know better than that Collectivist Leftist State / Deep State 👊🏼💪🏼❤️🙏🏼🔥💙🇨🇦🇮🇱

The Solution to the Leftist Virus is Maxime Bernier for Prime Minister – Integrity / Principled / Uncompromised #PPC2019 www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca

LIZA ROSIE commented 1 hour ago
I would like to stop mass migration, deport illegals (everything else we can deal with) and try Berniers plan,(laid out in his platform) I wonder if he knows of Skyvington?

I mean jeez, as if our healthcare system wasn’t a mess before 2015. Now with the place being flooded with all these new bodies to have babies, get cancer, never mind the contagious diseases they walk across the border with, has turned it into an overwhelming problem. We need to get a politician to stop the migration flow and clear out what can be sent away.. Then we can talk about the details of what can improve the crappy service and outcomes we have with our current healthcare system. With this outrageous influx of people from the third world, what chance do any of us , our children, parents or ourselves have of gaining access to even the most basic healthcare never mind good healthcare. My advice, get healthy and stay that way. And we think wait times are bad now!

KEITH BARNES commented 1 hour ago
Enforced Euthanizing at the age of sixty five would solve the problem! If you doubt this, just ask Trudeau, he is already drooling just at the thought of it.

PAUL DIXON commented 2 hours ago
Let’s face it – Canadians drink too much, eat too much, smoke too much, use substances too much, sit in front of the tv too much, are too lazy to exercise 30 minutes a day. I eat responsibly, maintain a good level of fitness through regular strenuous exercise, don’t smoke or do substances, and have not had a drink in 35 years.
Can someone tell me why MY taxes should pay for THEIR health care? I stay fit and healthy so that I can have a good quality of life and so that my taxes can be used in the health care system to help those who have an illness or injury that is largely not their fault, or cancer patients, or the elderly, or babies born with problems, etc.
If you have lung cancer from smoking, sorry – step to the back of the line!! If you are not recovering from illness because you drink, sorry – no more treatment. If you have diabetes because you are overweight, sorry – lose weight or you are off the gravy (no pun intended) train!?
I think we need a MAJOR revamping of priorities by our whole population. That would improve conditions on this issue! Unfortunately people are selfish. As long as that is the case things will not improve.
commented 2019-06-20 13:10:00 -0400
Kyle James : I am encouraging you to step forward now…..why wait in line for your great idea.
commented 2019-06-20 13:00:30 -0400
Lawrence – it is not called holier than thou, it is called taking responsibility for one’s life and being someone who thinks beyond themselves to a sense of community well-being!

Kyle – same thing. If you are a smoker, drinker, promiscuous, overweight, and a couch potato, it is highly likely that your health – both mental and physical – expenses are going to be far more, over your lifetime, than the opposite, no matter what taxes you pay. Do you not think that it is better to have your tax dollars going to the betterment of society, and helping those who really do need help because of no fault of their own, than being wasted on those who could have lived differently but were irresponsible and selfish? Rhetorical question there!

There is an inordinate number of people in our culture who figure that it is their RIGHT to receive all sorts of “free” health care, but do not take responsibility for their own lives. They need to get out of their bubble once and a while and do a reality check!
commented 2019-06-20 12:45:08 -0400
Problem solved.
commented 2019-06-20 12:41:56 -0400
JOHN GALT JOHN GALT commented 2 hours ago
I nominate Kyle James as the first "volunteer"for his brilliant solution to the health care scenario…..let us know how that works out for you.The euthanasia will be conducted on a (lack of) IQ basis…..so you will be pleased to know that you are at the head of the class.
He /she /they have also gained membership in the John Wick / James Risdon Buffoon Club.
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With my lifestyle I doubt I’ll live that long.
commented 2019-06-20 12:38:04 -0400
PAUL DIXON commented 1 hour ago
Let’s face it – Canadians drink too much, eat too much, smoke too much, use substances too much, sit in front of the tv too much, are too lazy to exercise 30 minutes a day. I eat responsibly, maintain a good level of fitness through regular strenuous exercise, don’t smoke or do substances, and have not had a drink in 35 years.
Can someone tell me why MY taxes should pay for THEIR health care? I stay fit and healthy so that I can have a good quality of life and so that my taxes can be used in the health care system to help those who have an illness or injury that is largely not their fault, or cancer patients, or the elderly, or babies born with problems, etc.
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Smokers and drinkers work and pay taxes too. Probably pay more taxes due to the sin taxes they pay on smokes and alcohol.
commented 2019-06-20 12:37:33 -0400
Paul Dixon , no one wants to be lectured by holier then thou types , stuff it , you must be a turdo liberal or a demon democrat
commented 2019-06-20 12:10:54 -0400
I would like to stop mass migration, deport illegals (everything else we can deal with) and try Berniers plan,(laid out in his platform) I wonder if he knows of Skyvington?

I mean jeez, as if our healthcare system wasn’t a mess before 2015. Now with the place being flooded with all these new bodies to have babies, get cancer, never mind the contagious diseases they walk across the border with, has turned it into an overwhelming problem. We need to get a politician to stop the migration flow and clear out what can be sent away.. Then we can talk about the details of what can improve the crappy service and outcomes we have with our current healthcare system. With this outrageous influx of people from the third world, what chance do any of us , our children, parents or ourselves have of gaining access to even the most basic healthcare never mind good healthcare. My advice, get healthy and stay that way. And we think wait times are bad now!