January 06, 2016

RESULTS ARE IN: Canadians demand final say on any voting changes

Brian LilleyArchive

You've heard the calls for electoral reform and the vague promise from the federal Liberals to end the first past the post system but what you have not heard is what Canadians think on the issue.

The Minister in charge said she wants to hear from all voices - except for the common people through a referendum it seems, because the Liberals have been clear; in two interviews with CTV at the end of the year both Liberal House Leader Domenic Leblanc and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said no to a referendum.

That’s why we commissioned a poll to find out what you think.

We have the results of the poll paid for by you, the one that asks Canadians in a very neutral way, whether they think the people should vote on any sort of change to the voting system and the answer is a resounding “YES”.

Watch and share my video as I reveal the results.

You can also view the details of the poll below. 

The people who are elected cannot change the system themselves, they will inevitably do it in a way that benefits themselves. They cannot claim committee consultations are robust. I’ve covered committees for over a decade, they are not. They are often partisan and stacked.

The people need to have their say, whether you support electoral reform or the current system, if you believe in democracy then you need to push for a referendum.

Sign our petition at LetUsVote.ca and add your name to the thousands upon thousands that have demanded a say.



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commented 2016-01-10 02:23:56 -0500
Wow, I’m disappointed in lots of the stats from this poll, men, older people, higher income earners, university grads and the French. That and many BCers.
commented 2016-01-09 03:56:36 -0500
Boot to my lefty heiney? Gee, you’re coming off as pretty violent. When you pull this e-thug keyboard warrior crap, you end up making your cause look stupid. And in this case, since I am not a leftist, it makes me look just as stupid as you.

I voted for Harper.

But back to my earlier point. I really do wish the rebel had better things to do than polls and petitions.
commented 2016-01-08 20:26:48 -0500
That overwhelming 73% majority was about the same percentage as was against having Islamists wearing face coverings in the citizenship ceremony – thanks to the judicial tyranny PierreTrudeau was responsible for ‘fostering’ in Canada – we have face coverings in citizenship ceremonies in Canada…
So even if the Little Dictator Justin caves to pressure from the huge majority of Canadians who want a say in how we vote, the ability to turn a referendum to his advantage is easily doable – I predict we will get whatever kind of voting system Gerald, er Justin says we’re going to get…and things in Canada will just increasingly get worse than they have been already!
commented 2016-01-08 18:54:37 -0500
This minister Maryam Monsef is a muslim. What do people from that area of the world know about democracy ?
commented 2016-01-08 07:13:51 -0500
Fine Sam we get it you hate the Rebel so why don’t you do us all a favor and just leave as you are bringing everybody around you down with your negative Nellie attitude. I for one am actually starting to get quite sick of it and if I met you on the street you’d be going to the trauma room for some serious dental reconstruction you loser. So again Sam why don’t you do everyone including yourself a favor and just leave this site before we vote to have you and your sorry attitude the permanent boot to your useless lefty hiney.
commented 2016-01-08 04:08:31 -0500
How am I a socialist? I voted for Harper at every opportunity.

Brian needs to drop his obsession with the CBC. We all get it. He doesn’t like the CBC, and neither do the rest of us. But do we need to have Brian constantly fixate on his intense hatred of the CBC?

The rebel needs to find better ways of operating this side of pestering everybody with polls and petitions. A poll result is hardly news. WE already know what the poll will say anyways. And the petitions will not do anything. I a assure you that Bob will not be fired, or that Obama will not be impeached, or that criminal turned NDP staff will not resign.

I honestly think that these polls and petitions are just a way for the rebel to have an extra revenue stream, and to get people to notice the rebel.

Take the time to crunch out the figures. How does Ezra find the money to pay for this website, employee salaries, or to pay for those no carbon tax signs?

The answer is simple. The rebel panhandles for money. And if they are lucky, the conservative party of canada pays the rebel as well.
commented 2016-01-07 18:39:22 -0500
Gerry Moran wrote «While I believe that a referendum would reflect the prevailing mood of the country at a particular moment, I am wary of it as it is a tool of a direct democratic form of government»

This is essentially a constitutional change, so it should require a super-majority of 2/3rds of voters to be permitted to happen. A super-majority for fundamental changes reduces the sensitivity to “the prevailing mood of the country at a particular moment”.
commented 2016-01-07 16:38:21 -0500
People have to wonder who’s behind all this. Doesn’t it sound like some groups of people who want to control Canada, besides the liberals, and bring in lots of new changes to Canada to benefit their agendas? Islamic shit disturbers and communist organizations are the huge trouble makers here. They need to be hit real hard where it hurts, in their bank accounts and all of their groups should be shut down. In the end all of this will come out in the open but will it be too late by then?

Where are the conservatives? They should be fighting this absurdity with all they’ve got.
commented 2016-01-07 15:57:04 -0500
To all posters here: Do not forget that this Liberal government will do anything and everything that is advantageous to them! They will usurp the Canadian Constitution in order to hold onto power. If Canadians do not use social media such as the Rebel.com, who will speak for Canadians?
This Liberal government has done more to divide Canadians in the last two months than the Conservatives did in nine years in office. Liberal voters – take a good hard look at where our country is now! That is what you voted for!
commented 2016-01-07 13:33:43 -0500
While I believe that a referendum would reflect the prevailing mood of the country at a particular moment, I am wary of it as it is a tool of a direct democratic form of government, which has its roots in ancient Greece, and is unsuitable as the decisive arbiter in a federal representative form of government we have in Canada. In our representative federal system we have a written constitution which is called The Constitution Act of 1982. Within this act is a formula for amending the constitution, which includes any fundamental change in the way we citizens elect our representatives to parliament, the 7/50 rule, which would require debate in every provincial legislature and the agreement of a majority of Canadian citizens! Why is no one except myself, even discussing this vital part of our constitution?
commented 2016-01-07 13:13:10 -0500
Re: Private Polls and petitions – these are very effective if utilized correctly – when done and a sizable number of signed endorsers are placed on a petition for parliamentary action, a copy sent to the House Speaker, the heads of each house leader in Parliament and most importantly the GG and the house clerk of petitions – if the petition meets the form guidelines (should be on the form parliament provides) the initiative cannot be ignored it must be acted upon. Online or electronic petitions are worthless , petitions must bear the signer’s actual original signature

It certainly has more impact on lawmakers and policy makers than some intemperate group tantrum-taking public display passed off as a protest. Lawmakers tend to dismiss these childish antics as coming from fanatic idiots who have concept of how to use their democratic powers, as opposed to a pointed signed and properly filed petitioned directive from voters and taxpayers.
commented 2016-01-07 12:23:58 -0500
Greg Ficek commented – “People with your knowledge could be capable of a citizens arrest and even if it didn’t work all the way it would sure calm them sons of bitches down to see somebody that’s wearing a pair..!!!”

Anyone can file a private information to have a crime investigated and if authorities do not act on it due to political bias, you can get a writ of mandamus and start a private prosecution – this is public knowledge.

As for constitutional knowledge all you need to do is to is get a copy of the constitution act and its schedules, read Hogg and Boueneau, these 2 books of constitutional conduct and trial precedence define constitutional governance in Canada. Every Canadian school kid and voter should be versed in these, they define what it is to be Canadian and the extent and limits to the rule of la.

I always get a chuckle out of the anal antics of statist trolls who post here telling people it’s impossible to fight the tyranny of their single party state despotism – the law is on our (people’s) side and if it does not defend us against unconstitutional laws and acts, then the rule of law has been usurped and you have the right to disobey anything that is inconsistent with the constitution AS WRITTEN – not as interpreted by political appointees or statist net trolls.
commented 2016-01-07 08:55:53 -0500
Lieberal “Electoral Reform” is all about ensuring a Lieberal hegemony, nothing else. It will be either rigged for no democracy or an illusion of democracy as in the former Soviet Union. Interesting to note the country Trudope admires the most, China has not a democracy, but a dictatorship, specifically referred in his own words, as why he admired their government. That could very well be the path we are headed with this Lieberal Gov’t in Ottawa!
commented 2016-01-07 07:04:11 -0500
Sam Young – I am so sick of your socialist, idiotic, stupid comments.
We at The Rebel give our money to a cause we believe in, you come on this site as a parasite and slam the very ones that make it possible for you to come on this website. It is very apparent you do not donate or give money to something because you hate the very people that do it. You slam Lilley for going on about the CBC that uses taxpayer money and you also slam the people that support another news organization that gives a different side of the story, you have shown your socialist stripe by wanting only one voice and one opinion on the news. Please move to China where you will be happy, apparently a free and democratic country is not what you like, like you have said previously, the government needs to tell the people how to think and act, by the way that is so fucked up like you are.
commented 2016-01-07 03:11:36 -0500
Removed for violating rule:Be civil. No personal attacks.
commented 2016-01-06 23:40:58 -0500
Let all of our revolutions be peaceful until they f… the first …… Well you know.!
commented 2016-01-06 23:27:15 -0500
Referendum or Revolution? It is the Libbers choice.
commented 2016-01-06 23:01:35 -0500
Peter Babich… This one is for you… Instead of being critical and insultive of other people’s posts why don’t you try being encouraging and we can teach each other how to become more cohesive instead of dragging each other back down into the pit that were all trying to escape from…
Just a thought…
commented 2016-01-06 22:58:00 -0500
Hey Yvette thanks for the comment… and nothing could be more true than a national party of civil servants to represent the will of the people and not their own agenda would be in power until time immortal… That would basically be a democratic republic.
Here is a parable… I own an American rat terrier dog (very similar to a Jack Russell terrier). This dog can do almost anything that I ask him to do… he usually does whatever I ask him very well and with enthusiasm… everybody that knows him thinks he is incredibly smart.
But I tell you what, I am the one who trained him and I am the one who gives him the commands and he is the one who executes the orders without consideration and without hesitation in spite of any distraction.. He just does what he’s told. Effectively behind the scenes I am the puppetmaster and the one pulling strings. The bottom line is he works for me. I believe politicians everywhere have been groomed by a page straight out of this playbook… Someone trained them to act enthusiastically without hesitation or consideration in spite of any distraction. Again the bottom line is they work for them. They all have masters but we are not them…. YET..!!!
These unruly and unlawful civil servants must be brought to heel.
we should all become familiar… Intimately familiar with Canadian law and constitutional workings.
commented 2016-01-06 22:45:55 -0500
I just wish The Rebel were more honest about these paid for polls. The government doesn’t see them – no one sees them outside of The Rebel circle. It meaningless. They could do the same thing with a free poll in the comments section like many forums.

Why pay for something that won’t have any impact?
commented 2016-01-06 22:42:28 -0500
Sean pension and Michael Mann. Your comments come off like the mentality of a 12 year old girl. What grade are you in?
commented 2016-01-06 22:36:47 -0500
One thing I do know is that never ever ever can we ever just give up..!!!!!!
commented 2016-01-06 22:30:20 -0500
You’re absolutely right about that Michael… This is a freedom of speech zone… If we can’t assemble in numbers and bitch then we are effectively neutered and delegated to rant and rave on blogs like this.
We need a homegrown leader that can’t be bought or blackmailed… is there anyone like that left…. Lol
Thanks for being patient with me Michael. sometimes it takes a minute or so to get over the emotional wave that sometimes powers me to talk first and think later..
I don’t have any answers at all but guys like Bill they know the Canadian Constitution… If more of us knew the laws that regulate our country and educated ourselves with that perhaps there is something that we could do.
commented 2016-01-06 22:26:37 -0500
Since they work for us & use our money, anytime the gov’t wants to do something which will impact Canadians, you bet your boots there should be a referendum. When campaigning they tell us what we want to hear & after they’re in they do as they please & we are fed up with this, that ’s why Trump is resonating with the Americans because they too have had enough.
Greg Ficek….the list of things worth having a referendum on are on the money & whether you vote Conservative, Liberal or NDP, you should all be in favor of this.
commented 2016-01-06 22:20:24 -0500

You are missing the point – this specific Rebel poll is meaningless and doesn’t have any impact. Even if it had a million signatures.

The Rebel gives the impression that the more people who sign – the more impact the poll will have and that couldn’t be further from the truth. People here paid for something that will end up in the garbage or deleted off a computer, but The Rebel got their money.
commented 2016-01-06 22:03:21 -0500
After all Bill… They are only civil servants..!
commented 2016-01-06 22:01:53 -0500
Bill… Your comment was impressive…!!!!!!
People with your knowledge could be capable of a citizens arrest and even if it didn’t work all the way it would sure calm them sons of bitches down to see somebody that’s wearing a pair..!!!
commented 2016-01-06 21:58:31 -0500
If referendum was law our signatures would not be meaningless… and once again people would be in control and not to psychopathic puppets on a string telling us what we need and what we can’t have. We are a society that is so dumb down that we are now in capable of critical thought.
Michael… Don’t you think as grown-up educated people that we are capable of directing the government as opposed to the government leading us down the path..
commented 2016-01-06 21:14:35 -0500
Great – you have signatures that are meaningless. I don’t see the point in doing this polls and for people to pay for them, when the result has zero impact. You might as well just do free polls on The Rebel – the result will be the same.
commented 2016-01-06 20:31:28 -0500
They cannot do it constitutionally and if the CPC party had a pair, they’d vow to take any regime who proposes drastic changes to our democracy (this is not simple creation of new ridings, its a tampering with fundamental balloting) to court to satisfy the demands of BNA act which enumerates the current balloting system – one voter, one vote, not multiple votes or second choices, Charter secs 1&26 demand demonstrable justification for unilateral executive orders. The system of votes used in parliament and for admission to confederation is 1st past the post (50%+1) and to alter that as a way to determine democratic consent is a breech of the constitution act – the constitution must be changed to accommodate the change in electoral balloting and to do that it must be ratified by referendum.

IF the CPC or any patriotic MP had testicular fortitude where their sinecure now rests, they would denounce such a bill, ignore a whipped vote on it and petition the GG to suspend assent to such an act until it is justified through referendum – we did not vote to have the democratic franchise changed this was a hidden agenda of the current federal Junta.

But I have slight hope that ANYONE in parliament gives much respect to the proper constitutional accordant democracy..