October 12, 2017

Rewarded for NOT working: Welfare state to blame for Canada’s need for migrant workers

David MenziesMission Specialist

According to a report in the Star, there are about 54,000 migrant workers in Canada doing work Canadian-born workers won’t do because they simply won’t do the heavy lifting.

As millions of Canadians tucked into recently harvested edibles to celebrate Thanksgiving, it’s worth noting that the abundant bounty on our tables wouldn’t be there if not for thousands of migrant workers from the Caribbean and Mexico.

Clearly, there are jobs in the agriculture sector while at the same time, welfare rates in provinces such as Ontario and Newfoundland have soared.

Too many able-bodied, unemployed young Canadians are accepting welfare cheques from the state. But rather than encourage them to get off welfare, certain jurisdictions seem to make the idea of staying on welfare a more enticing alternative.

I don’t begrudge the thousands of migrant workers who toil so hard and who literally help us put food on our tables.

As it stands now, what would we do without them?

But I really question why people who are able to work will not work and we reward them for opting out.

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commented 2017-10-13 22:55:12 -0400
Karan Singh—-Well said. I believe you might agree that these young men are usually from middle-class families or they are fairly intelligent, for the investor to make the investment.
When I lived in the Lower mainland some E. Indians had a trucking Company; 5 drivers but only 4 worked at a time as they took turns and also took turns receiving the Unemployment Insurance cheque. All their names were almost the same, so the authorities couldn’t tell the difference, or didn’t have time to check into it.
commented 2017-10-13 12:28:47 -0400
Ron, it’s not far fetched that some east indians are ready to pay huge amounts (up to $100,000) to get a chance for Canadian citizenship. Allow me to elaborate it for you how it works: A young guy pays a part of the promised amount in advance to the facilitator who’ll arrange for employment with the farmer or some tucking or construction company in BC, sometimes the deals are done directly through family contacts. Once the guy arrives in Canada, on fraudulent documents, he’ll start working for the farmer or trucking/construction business for a year or two by the end of the which he’s entitled to apply for permanent residency & bring in his extended family. The rest of the balance amount is paid before he applies for permanent residency. It’s true not all can afford the huge sum of $50 to 100K but then there are moneylenders who are more than eager to ‘help’ these poor souls. Repaying such big amount is not considered any hassle with these ‘new canadians’ if you see the amount of corruption & underground economy among east indian community.
If you look from their point of view it’s the best & sure way of getting a Canadian citizenship, for which there’s a huge demand in third world countries. Most of them come here not for the fact that they have some love for Canada and respect for its culture & laws no, they come here because they know they could take advantage of the lenient laws & liberal policies and bend them for their own benefit, because under the multi-culti Canada law won’t touch them, even if the law tries to catch them they can always pull out the race card. Why do you think east-indians (punjabis) control more than 50% of the drug trade in BC? Visit any courthouse in the lower mainland and you’ll see more than half of the cases involve these ‘poor’ east-indian migrants, when they are not even 5% of the population.
commented 2017-10-13 10:59:56 -0400
Karan Singh—Almost all of what you say, I can confirm as I have seen it in the Interior of BC, in Orchard Country.
The part that seems far fetched to me is that some of these Migrant workers would have $50 to $100 thousand to give to a farmer or anybody. If they had that sort of money, they would be like millionaires in their home countries, and wouldn’t have to pick fruit in Canada.
commented 2017-10-13 01:15:45 -0400
David Menzies, I do agree with you to certain extent that there are many Canadians who prefer to live on dole than work honestly & live a respectful life. However, you need to dig bit deeper into this issue,it’s not as black & white as you have projected. You must go out and talk to some genuine farmers instead of relying on The Star report.
In reality the farmers don’t employ local Canadians anymore as long as they could hire foreign or illegal farm workers or even senior immigrants working for cash.
It’s profitable for a farmer to hire foreign/illegal farm worker because 1) They can pay them less (sometimes up to 50%) than the wages they’d pay to a Canadian worker, 2) In return the foreign or illegal worker earns tax free wages and a chance to file for permanent residency. In many cases farmers are actually charging these foreign/illegal workers anywhere between $50,00 to $100,00 to give them a chance to come to canada & work experience making easier for them to file for permanent residency after a year or two. I personally know of many such cases among east indian community.
In the case of senior immigrants farm workers they mostly work for cash, in some cases up to 75% less than the minimum wages, all the while receiving their old age pension/CPP from the Canadian govt, they do double or sometimes even triple dipping.
The scam works in the interest of both the farmer & illegal/foreign worker while hurting Canadian worker by robing them of their jobs.
The issue has been extensively covered many a times by local punjabi radio on the west coast.
commented 2017-10-13 00:21:12 -0400
What every Canadian needs to learn: What you subsidize, you encourage.
commented 2017-10-13 00:16:01 -0400
Quite surprisingly a B.C. NDP interim Premier named Joy MacPhail showed us how to cut welfare by 25%, at no cost.
It was the late 90’s, (called BC’s lost decade) as the NDP had run the Province into the ground and they were out of " getting money" options. In July, MacPhail called in the media for a short speech.
She said that “The Province was out of money and had to make drastic changes. After Health Care, Welfare was the the next largest expense. So effective Jan. 1, in six months, anyone that is capable of working will be cut off welfare after two years.” That is all she said.
In three months she made another speech saying that welfare was down 25% and thanked everyone.
That’s all it took, and it never cost anything.
As Liza suggests, I would shorten it to one year.
commented 2017-10-12 22:48:16 -0400
Short term welfare only.
People won’t do those jobs because they have been told they don’t have to. Anyone over 50 grew up doing those jobs, starting from a young age. I was picking cherries, strawberries, grapes and apples, pruning fruit trees and packing peaches starting from the time I was 10. So was everyone else I knew except for the odd spoiled rich kid. When I was 15 I worked in a cannery for the summer, worked in vineyards, restaurants and just about anything I could find. Hell I picked rocks off of a beach for a well heeled guy in BC for 8 bucks an hour because he wanted a nice sandy beach sans rocks. Housekeeping, gardening, senior’s caregiver, what ever I had to until I didn’t have to anymore.
Why would our youth or newcomers do any of those jobs if they are told they will get paid to sit on the couch? People used to be embarrassed to have to admit they were taking welfare, nowadays it is considered normal to rely on handouts. No one takes pride in an honest days work and a dollar made anymore.
The solution is a simple one.
commented 2017-10-12 16:41:26 -0400
Grifters go where there is easy money to be had, cue Canada’s welfare benefits! Generational welfare is a result of an absurd incentive to not live up to one’s potential.
For decades, the Liberal welfare state has driven a wedge into the family system, and, created dependent; entitled and uninspired people. What we are left with is a segment of the population who believe working for a living is for suckers! It is my opinion welfare benefits should be a limited, more of a hand up program. If the person is only seeking a handout, restrict how much and for how long; giving that person the message we do not offer a cash for life program.

I find Professor Sewell’s point of view very interesting
Thomas Sowell – Legacy of the Welfare State

Thomas Sowell – Fallacies of Race
commented 2017-10-12 16:16:25 -0400
And the minds and the eyes of the migrant workers are telling them , they too are going to stay in Canada too , sooner than later
commented 2017-10-12 15:43:17 -0400
While I’m sure that this concept of importing grunt workers for jobs Canadians won’t do is a Conservative immigration motive, the one we see displayed by the Liberals is that of unrestrained unvetted, flood of 3rd world immigration of welfare clients is an attempt to replace the endemic Canadian voter who tosses them out of power occasionally when they get tired of their hubris and corruption. This is a replacement electorate which is fully reliant on Liberal largess and will vote liberal in perpetuity – it is an attempt to build the single party state.

The Liberal party immigration policy is also an open revelation that this is not a political party but a political cabal and syndicate intent on a monopoly of power.
commented 2017-10-12 13:43:18 -0400
The welfare state creates another huge problem by attracting and enabling illegal migrants to enter Canada to take advantage of the gravy train paid for by the Canadian taxpayer.
commented 2017-10-12 13:29:43 -0400
Q: “But I really question why people who are able to work will not work and we reward them for opting out.”

A: They vote Liberal.
commented 2017-10-12 13:24:30 -0400
to think of it know one that makes over 100k a year working on a farm.
commented 2017-10-12 13:10:09 -0400
Local contractors can’t get reliable labour, it is too easy to get a handout, being on welfare has become another entitlement rather than a stigma.