May 20, 2015

Richmond Hill City Council votes against singing "O Canada," but the fight's not over yet

David MenziesMission Specialist

I travelled to Richmond HIll, Ontario to investigate reports that their city council's legal advisers told them not to sing "O Canada."

Why? Because -- reportedly -- the word "God" might violate a recent Supreme Court ruling banning prayer during council meetings.

I say "reportedly" since there now seems to be some... confusion about what really happened.

Or do I detect a sudden reluctance on the part of some officials to talk about this issue, given the huge public backlash?

What I can tell you is that this story isn't over yet.

Watch my report and find out why.


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commented 2015-05-24 17:12:36 -0400
Neil Baxter, perhaps if the word God offends you and the anti-religious types, you should refrain of any use of money since it uses “In God we trust” (US world standard of currency) or DG Regina as on Canadian currency(By the grace of God,Queen)
commented 2015-05-24 11:26:16 -0400
What is wrong with the powers that be for the Canadian people. I’m disgusted as a Canadian to read these on going battles of who the hell we as Canadians are offending today. My blood pressure rises every time I read or hear about someone who is insulted, outraged, & many other words by our anthem, our Christmas celebrations or basic way of life. Do they concern themselves with Canadians who are being insulted, outraged & many other words by having our beliefs & traditions taken from us. I am not a religious person but I am a proud Canadian & tired of having MY Canada taken from me. Why not as Canadians, we take all of this crap to court & fight for our rights as proud Canadians before we are totally forgotten. What next, is someone going to find the Word Canada an insult to their religion ….we have no back bone!
I apologize for any grammatical errors I my have written….I don’t really care, I’m damn angry.
commented 2015-05-23 15:59:08 -0400
When I was a child the version of O Canada that we all sang included the repetition of “O Canada we stand on guard for thee.” Then I recall hearing a version being sung before the hockey broadcast that changed one of the “standing on guards” to “God keep our land glorious and free.” That line is an introduction of some decades ago. It is the version that became the official one, but, note: it was not always there. “God” was introduced into the anthem by the chap who sang it before the hockey games, or by whoever supplied the version to him. This is a tempest in a teapot. The Supreme Court thoughtlessly placed this situation before our various councils. For all the people responding and telling the councillors to leave the country, how do you know the background of the members of the Richmond Hill Council? Perhaps some of them are descended from First Nations, or from the very earliest settlers of Canada. Where do you wish to send them? We must request the Supreme Court to offer a better explanation to Canadians for the order to stop reciting anything with the word “God” in it. That is the origin of this state of bewilderment.
commented 2015-05-22 18:17:06 -0400
To me it is not a big deal, but as a libertarian and an atheist, I have this to say: A national anthem is supposed to be a song for ALL Canadians – keep the God crap out of it.
commented 2015-05-22 14:16:49 -0400
nothing but a bunch of spineless cowards on the council, they will soon have no rights and have nobody to blame but themselves.
commented 2015-05-21 22:31:40 -0400
These entitled elitists will eventually meet God. The tables will be turned. Ignorance of the LAW is no excuse. Live by the sword, die by the sword
commented 2015-05-21 20:32:17 -0400
Right on Anne Smyth.
commented 2015-05-21 20:25:51 -0400
Terry Mccallum, “It’s a lot easier explaining to my children this tooth fairy in the sky doesn’t exist and contradicts every piece of science proven by mankind, in every university in the world.” That is the biggest crock of Horse Shit I’ve ever read in my Life!!! First of all there are hundreds of University professors who believe in God, and defend their position with science. Secondly, I don’t care what you believe; that’s entirely up to you, but your statement is completely illogical! As for the Universe and how it came to be, there are only three possibilities; 1) God created it from nothing for His own divine purpose, 2) It just spontaneously popped into existence for no particular reason, or 3) It has existed from all Eternity. Each one of these scenarios may seem ludicrous and illogical from a human perspective, but since we cannot deny the existence of the Universe or ourselves, obviously one of them is necessarily true. Starting with number 3), all scientific evidence indicates the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, and expanding at a speed that is increasing expedientially. So number 3) is out. As far as number 2) is concerned, if the Universes can just pop into existence for no particular reason, why not other things? why not a horse, or a house, or a "57 Chevy? Number 2) is out, logically. As far as 1) goes, of course no one can prove God’s existence in the classical scientific sense ie., repeatable, testable experimentation in laboratory conditions, but then neither can you prove history “scientifically”. All you have is eye witness accounts, but I’m sure you have no trouble believing them. The most compelling logical argument for God’s existence for me comes from the Kalam Cosmological argument popularized by analytical philosopher, Dr. William Lane Craig. The Classical argument goes like this:
Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence;
The universe has a beginning of its existence;
Therefore: The universe has a cause of its existence.
Contemporary arguments that follow on the Classical argument with an additional set of premises:
An actual infinite cannot exist. An infinite temporal regress of events is an actual infinite.
Therefore, an infinite temporal regress of events cannot exist.
Argument based on the impossibility of the formation of an actual infinite by successive addition
A collection formed by successive addition cannot be an actual infinite.
The temporal series of past events is a collection formed by successive addition.
Therefore, the temporal series of past events cannot be actually infinite.
commented 2015-05-21 15:23:45 -0400
Terry MCC:
“contradicts every piece of science proven by mankind, in every university in the world” I am not claiming that there is a God, but you are 100% wrong in your statement Show us even one university, even one person, who has proven that no such entity exists. If you were logical, you would understand that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. IF you can’t have faith in “GOD” then at least put your faith in logic.
commented 2015-05-21 14:53:11 -0400
Terry McCallum, I feel sorry for you and for your children. You do have a right to believe anything you want and to teach your children what you think and believe. When they grow up into adulthood, hopefully they can make their own decisions regarding all things especially as to whether or not there is a GOD.
I also pray for you.
commented 2015-05-21 14:24:56 -0400
Why not just take the word out and go back to the original Oh Canada, before Pierre Trudeau changed the song to include God. As an atheist I would like to see it gone too. It’s a lot easier explaining to my children this tooth fairy in the sky doesn’t exist and contradicts every piece of science proven by mankind, in every university in the world.
commented 2015-05-21 09:45:58 -0400
Another elected official with no balls, those progs are so afraid of ruffling any little pressure groups , it is so pathetic.
commented 2015-05-21 09:45:34 -0400
A mountain being made from a molehill. They never said that they didn’t want to sing “O Canada”, only that they didn’t want to replace the by-law that had the requirement to say the Lord’s Prayer before meetings.(an order of the Supreme Court of Canada…a disgusting body) with a by-law requiring “O Canada”.
commented 2015-05-21 09:11:34 -0400
What is it with these people and who exactly are they afraid of? What backlash and from whom??
commented 2015-05-21 07:42:36 -0400
I am so tired of these people – one step at a time – destroying this country. Another group of entitled imbeciles with no balls.

I spit on their shadow.
commented 2015-05-21 07:33:25 -0400
Degenderd,corporatized consensustized and vulgarized, recognize zombies yet! Civil society cannot exist with this assault on ethics. Ten Commandments only way to judge these global tyrants.
commented 2015-05-21 02:14:55 -0400
When are people going to stand up and just do what is right? To hell with the idiot supreme court judges. These so called learned judges have made some pretty bad decisions lately and I don’t believe it is going to stop there. Not only that, these morons are supposed to uphold the laws of Canada made by Government not make laws themselves.
It sure is sad to see city councils not standing up and telling them to go to hell, as did the town and mayor that started all this. Did the Mayor of that town not say that they would continue to do as they have done for a long time and pray before their meetings?
If enough people and city councils stood up and basically told the so called learned judges to suck wind, what the heck can they do?
Write letters to your MP and demand that this gets changed and do it now before the election.
I for one an sick of the politically correct society we are today.
Maurice Potvin, Thumbs up!
commented 2015-05-21 01:51:11 -0400
According to our constitution, the “Canadian Nation is founded upon principles that acknowledge the supremacy of God” and I believe, even as to this, the Supreme Court decision is unconstitutional and an exercise in personal ideological expediency.

If you don’t support the singing of our national anthem in Canada then you are not Canadian, period. You are a spineless, two-faced, disgraceful carpetbagger. There is no diversity if our institutions and history aren’t even tolerated or respected. You are saying we have no culture, no traditions and little sovereignty. We are some faceless, hollowed-out, Potemkin village and subjects of a global shell and secular tyranny. Not a country at all and you don’t know what it means.

You are saying this country didn’t flower because of the Judeo-Christian beliefs it was founded on. You are desecrating the memories of those brave soldiers that proudly fought or gave their lives for this country and majestically sang our anthem. You are not proud of our Canadian heritage, not proud enough to display it in public and not fit or appropriate to be called Canadian. The decision was a test of your character and you failed miserably.
commented 2015-05-21 01:44:20 -0400
I’d sure like to see the footage of the “in camera” part of that meeting of council and see what weasely things really happened, because you sure aren’t going to get a straight answer from a politician, especially a career one like Barrow. Can a Freedom of Information request get the footage?
commented 2015-05-21 01:16:30 -0400
Anne Smyth you nailed it ………….
commented 2015-05-21 01:11:05 -0400
For me this a complete non-issue, a tempest in a tea cup. By the way, if I was a member of that town council, and I wanted to pray before the town council meeting, I would pray before the town council meeting, or sing O Canada, or do whatever patriotic act I felt like doing. There’s no lawyer or supreme court judge in this country who’s going to tell me I can’t pray or sing O Canada.
commented 2015-05-20 23:36:31 -0400
It is just terrible with these Authoritarian Lefty’s they are not real Liberals like Thomas Jefferson was – it is such that Canadians’ who carry this as part of our identity and home that we have grown up in are being denied, this way of thinking and proclaiming a country of Liberty and justice – I believe what is at the core of this problem is that some people don’t like or have the belief of a creator, I guess they believe they evolved not by intelligent design but by a Big Bang….?… personally I have been glad I believe in a creator especially when I bellieve this creator has pulled me through some life and death situations regarding cancer and again with some other health issues and a time when I almost stepped out in front of a speeding car coming down the highway and my enemy pulled me back, stating he didn’r know why he did it! I can’t really feel I would have the right to call mysellf a non – believer! Things are getting very miserable these days with all of these alternate trendy lifestyles … of which they have a right to, however I still believe, people like me who believe – have a right to believe and don’t see why the institutions we grew up in should change…. because of fashion or the new trend! Both of us have rights – that is what makes Canada great! What has become difficult is a way to find a peaceable solution, so that we can both live the life we have a right to!
commented 2015-05-20 23:34:49 -0400
Anne Smyth: Well said. Bunch of morons & idiots who cave in at every whim.
commented 2015-05-20 23:33:33 -0400
The mayor of Richmond Hill needs to remove the excrement from his mouth, which is obviously contributing to the confusion of his leadership position, and the obfuscation of everything that comes out of his mouth! The citizens of Richmond Hill need to inform this mayor and his council that they represent them and their love of country!
commented 2015-05-20 22:06:21 -0400
THE MENZOID! You just gotta love him.
commented 2015-05-20 21:28:08 -0400
Richmond Hill, the arm-pit of Canada!
commented 2015-05-20 21:19:42 -0400
Not so long ago, feminists were claiming the line “True Patriot love, in all thy son’s command” was sexist and wanted that line removed. Now Richmond Hill City Council want God removed. Why don’t these people remove themselves and make everyone happy?
commented 2015-05-20 21:08:42 -0400
In this particular case, David, I would suggest you are beating a dead horse. I don’t think there is any issue here.
commented 2015-05-20 21:07:25 -0400
All I can say is when is the next election for Richmond Hill’s city council?