December 15, 2017

Senators troubled by “problematic” use of word “barbaric” to describe barbaric acts

David MenziesMission Specialist

Liberal Senator Mobina Jaffer introduced a bill shortly after the Liberals took power in December 2015 that would remove mention of “barbaric cultural practices” from a law passed by the Harper Conservatives.

The “Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act” referred to acts of barbarism ranging from female genital mutilation to honour killings.

It appears Jaffer has a problem with the word barbarism, but why?

If one doesn’t want to be labelled as carrying out a barbaric cultural practice, then isn’t the solution to not embrace acts of barbarism?

In a speech introducing her bill, Jaffer said use of the term “barbaric” is “insulting to cultures in Canada.”

Regrettably, there’s at least one Conservative Senator, Salma Ataullahjan, who agrees with Jaffer that “barbaric” is a problematic word, saying in the Senate recently:

“In my view, [barbaric] is incendiary and deeply harmful, as it targets a cultural group as a whole rather than individuals who commit the specific acts.”

But, which cultures find condemnation of barbaric practices “problematic”? Is it perhaps members of those cultures that defend and/or practice barbaric practices?

Mind-numbing political correctness has brought us to the point where it’s “insensitive” to call barbarism, barbarism.

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commented 2017-12-18 15:18:35 -0500
… and further to that Andy, if our leaders chose to ignore what is going on in large parts of Europe, then they are reneging on their duty to protect Canada’s sovereignty and founding people, of which there are three groups, with the addition of small groups from non European countries, who have assimilated without conflict into our society. But the deluge of migrants mostly since Justin, is the very infiltration which is causing the demise of Europe and now Canada. We were hoodwinked, and Justin got elected under false pretences. I wager that even the most ardent justin fan boy would have thought twice for voting for the disaster which is unfolding in Canada today under Justin Trudeau.
commented 2017-12-17 17:44:52 -0500
LIZA ROSIE… Indeed… And if certain Canadians chose to ignore what is going on in large parts of Europe then that is “wilful blindness”…
commented 2017-12-17 15:32:36 -0500
I will answer my own rhetorical question. What could go wrong?
Ushering in female genital mutilation
Honour killings
Rape (what Islam explains as temporary marriage, for those sexual emergencies which crop up from time to time)
Child marriage
multiple wives
Beating and subjugating women
Tipping our demographic with those migrants from an ideology the antithesis of our culture.
Allowing people to walk into our country illegally
Outrageous financial and social (sharia) accommodation
Payoffs/allowances to returned terrorists
Refusal to charge those who commit terrorist attacks on our own soil, refusal to give the Canadian public the necessary information following these attacks on our own soil(we have a right to know)
Finally a refusal to give Canadians the respect they deserve for taking in ‘refugees’ and consequently turning us into one big doormat for Islam to wipe their feet on as they come into our home, and disrespect it and us by demands and special considerations. Giving us the impression that the main modus operendi is subjugation, and surrender. This makes for a less than stellar impression of Islam, you will have to forgive us.

Drew said, “I think it is Barbaric to not call it as it is.”
Damn straight. Barbarism is barbarism is barbarism, and does not belong in the 21 century at all, but we shouldn’t have accepted it into any western, freedom loving country.
I will repeat. Islam is the biggest mistake Canada will ever make.
commented 2017-12-17 03:39:31 -0500
I think it is Barbaric to not call it as it is.
commented 2017-12-16 23:18:01 -0500
I agree Karan Singh, there is no comparison between the immigrants Canada has brought into the country in the past and what’s happening now.
I also agree with you about representation. What is going on in Justin’s cabinet, and all our levels of authority, just makes no sense. I mean, what could go wrong with an immigration minister with a conflict of interest the size of the caliphate?
Several things of note so far. It is really quite unacceptable.
commented 2017-12-16 16:38:33 -0500
KARAN SINGH….I think we are basically in agreement on what is causing today’s concern about who gets to sit in Parliament… It is indeed the immigrants prepared to cater to their own ethnic enclave and only them… And that is indeed the difference between the post-war arrivals and those since the Trudeau Pere 70s… And it doesn’t help that members of Trudeau’s Cabinet can’t even get their own immigration “facts” straight…
commented 2017-12-16 15:16:28 -0500
Andy, I understand the immigrants who arrived before this turdo sr. multiculti BS started & ruin the fabric of Canadian society were good for Canada, some of my own family members arrived in 50’s & some were here before that (going back to early 19th century). The difference was they came here & assimilate into society, they didn’t ask for special considerations based on their skin colour, religion or culture, they accepted Canada the way it was & try their best to integrate into society by changing their ways of live, religion & culture. Contrary to popular liberal & media narrative very few if any faced real systematic racism, they all went to school, university, got jobs or started their own business, bought properties.
With current immigration population (which is exclusively made up of failed/under developed third world countries) without any approach to assimilation it’s impossible that they would ever learn or understand anything about Canada or its people. How could somebody represent you if he/she don’t even understand your culture, don’t appreciate your values and in some cases they don’t even speak the language of majority constituents. At least I would never want such a person to be my representative. We’ve already seen the result of such policies in our parliament were MP are elected solely based on the colour of their skin or cultural background and if you don’t support their view then you are branded are narrow minded, bigot, xenophobe & racist. All these ethnic MP do is cater to their ethnic group screwing rest of the Canadians.
Who is racist & bigot an old stock white Canadian, who allowed people from all over the world to come & settle in Canada & gave them every chance to succeed in life or an ethnic person of colour in position who works to gratify special needs of people from his/her own group, regardless of the laws of the land and at the cost of other Canadians?? e.g. Mobina Jaffer & Salma Ataullahjan.
commented 2017-12-16 07:57:33 -0500
In the UK, you could go to gaol for the “Hate Speech” included in this video. (Ho Hum)
commented 2017-12-16 04:02:31 -0500
Karan Singh… Interesting that you suggest “1970” as the year when new arrivals to Canada started to erode traditional values rather than re-enforcing them… That was of course in the new “multicultural” era created by Pierre Elliot Trudeau… There is now obvious truth to that but it should not negate the fact that post WWII immigrants made great contributions up to then and should not have been excluded from sitting in Parliament… I can understand that today’s “immigrant mix” leads to that kind of “caution”… But it should not be an automatic barrier from holding elected office… Let us remember that the hundreds of thousands of immigrants stepping ashore at Pier 21in the 50s and 60s were some of the most fervent New Canadians who went on to professional careers and built Canada without taking one dime in welfare payments… And, in many cases, they had a better insight into Communism than many elected Canadians then sitting in Parliament!… Bottom line?… Immigrants should not be automatically excluded from holding elected office, but they sure as Hell should be heavily screened for their fundamental beliefs and loyalties!… A lady named Monsef comes to mind for lying from the day she stepped ashore…
commented 2017-12-16 03:58:22 -0500
I wonder how many Canadians have already had enough?
commented 2017-12-16 01:52:12 -0500
RON JOSEPH commented: I believe Liza Rosie has said, “People not born in this Country should not be allowed to run in Federal and Provincial politics.”

Ron, as for foreign born canadian Citizens holding public offices; I’ve been saying this for last 10 years, this should never be allowed. Citizens only who are at least 3rd generation born in Canada (with no duel citizenship) should be allowed to represent us in parliament. As for govt. jobs (law enforcement, military, judiciary & other jobs at all 3 levels of the govt.) should only be for people who are born in Canada & hold citizenship form no other country. Transition from permanent residency to citizenship should be extended to 10 straight years of residency. During those ten years NO free/subsidized medical or any other govt. assistance. Pay full taxes with no chance of going on welfare.
Put these measures in place then see how many of these free loaders from third world country will come to Canada & dictate their terms. People who are not born here, e.g. myself, do not fully understand it’s values or appreciate it culture. Yes we do speak it’s language & go around doing our jobs or taking care of businesses & pay taxes but that’s about it. No pride in its heritage, no honor in the sacrifices older generation has made, no knowledge of its history, no sense of any responsibility. But yeah as soon as they land they know all their rights even the ones which are nowhere in our charter they’ll demand those & will get them. Muslims are the worse of them all but every other culture/ethnicity from third world country dropping into canada since 1970 has contributed to corrode Canadian culture, values & even constitution. Canada has not become rich through multiculturalism it’s actually become impoverished by losing it’s religion, values, culture, heritage & now even its own people.
commented 2017-12-16 01:38:08 -0500
Regrettably, there’s at least one Conservative Senator, Salma Ataullahjan, who agrees with Jaffer that “barbaric” is a problematic word.
A muslim is a muslim first & Canadian in the very last, that too if it’s for their personal or religious advantage otherwise Canadianism is nothing more than a piece of paper (passport) for them. Forget about the difference between liberals, ndp or conservatives, they infiltrate every political party to move forward their agenda whatever party is in power they can dictate their terms, just as with republicans under George W Bush.
commented 2017-12-16 00:47:44 -0500
I sure would love an oppurtunity to speak in the senate chamber. I would oh so gladly exercise my right to free speech, formality and respect be damned.
commented 2017-12-16 00:47:36 -0500
What do you expect from Justin Mohammad “bin Zoolander” Trudeau’s Muslim – pro Islamic terrorist cabinet …… Hello ! …..they don’t work for Canada or Canadians
commented 2017-12-16 00:36:09 -0500
Here is a novel idea, if you are not Canadian born get the hell out of government. This includes elected and ALL apointed officials, Senators and the Governor General.
commented 2017-12-15 22:57:11 -0500
I believe Liza Rosie has said, “People not born in this Country should not be allowed to run in Federal and Provincial politics.” That could erase Trudeau’s Cabinet. What a great law!!
commented 2017-12-15 21:13:50 -0500
“Barbaric” will lose it’s meaning after Tater Tot’s no borders illegal ferals are unleashed on the just society.
commented 2017-12-15 20:24:20 -0500
This is just the first step toward getting rid of the bill altogether. When the dissolution of the bill finally comes, it’ll simply be referred to as S-7, and go unnoticed.
commented 2017-12-15 20:01:00 -0500
Regardless of what Justin keeps repeating. He does not represent ‘most’ Canadians and he is taking this thing too far.
commented 2017-12-15 19:58:46 -0500
“In my view, [barbaric] is incendiary and deeply harmful, as it targets a cultural group as a whole rather than individuals who commit the specific acts.”

It targets a specific cultural group as a whole, because never before in Canada have we had to defend ourselves from barbaric practices being normalized in our country, by any cultural group. No other group pushes for this sort of acceptance in the western countries they are accepted into. They don’t, because they know they are not western values that any civilized country would be keen on adapting, or even normalizing to the point of turning the other way. Just not a good fit with a country which has no intention of being turned into any of the countries these immigrants/migrants/refugees and illegals have come from. We love Canada and the things we stand for have nothing to do with barbaric cultural practices from anywhere. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no love, or respect for this country.
commented 2017-12-15 19:40:51 -0500
God Paul, that is so sick.
commented 2017-12-15 19:33:21 -0500
You need to stop expecting sanity from leftists. They are void of sanity & void of morals. The only thing of value to them is their ability to out virtue signal each other. I enter into evidence the story of the top EU official & his wife who solicited money for “refugees” at the funeral of their daughter – who was brutally raped & murdered by one –
commented 2017-12-15 18:51:59 -0500
Deborah Graupner commented 2 hours ago
“Are all liberal women really this daft?”

YES, some even more so.
commented 2017-12-15 18:32:07 -0500
These Muslim Senator’s have, unfortunately identified themselves as two immigrants who are incompatible with Canadian culture. Do they both have duel citizenship? This is exactly the sort of thing we want to weed out when allowing people into our country. Why are they and many others who seem to think Canada should be forced to adopt barbaric practices, in service to Canada?

We use the word ‘barbaric’ because the practices we are being slow cooked into accepting are barbaric and should not be allowed or normalized in any way.
Sharia law in any form is not acceptable in Canada. People who want to practice sharia law shouldn’t live in Canada. They should live in a country where it is accepted. That country is not Canada.

Those from Islamic cultures have no right to force their sharia compliance on a country they were invited into. No other group expects this sort of compliance. Female genital mutilation is not the only barbaric practice Islam brings with it into Canada. The only people who would complain about the term barbaric are people who don’t mind barbaric practices. They are insulted by its use? Not as insulted as Canadians are at the mention of acceptance of it. This is supremacist omnipotence.
commented 2017-12-15 17:50:22 -0500
FGM, honour killing, forced marriage. It doesn’t matter what you call them. They’re still barbaric.
commented 2017-12-15 17:47:11 -0500
Just another Liberal reading a script prepared in the office of General Secretary Butts. She is not expected to defend the wording. Just stand there and read it like a good little automaton, and then disappear back into the woodwork.
Perhaps this enlightened senator would like to explain to the great unwashed Barbarian masses of Canada how a so-called “honour killing” committed by, say, a Sikh, is less (or more) barbaric than one committed by a Muslim or a Hindu or anybody else.
Or maybe she would rather admit that the original intent was to condemn certain practices that are ILLEGAL in Canada, regardless of the perpetrator’s “culture.”
commented 2017-12-15 17:23:07 -0500
Every day lately I wonder, this can’t get much worse…and of course it does, every day.
This can’t continue…
commented 2017-12-15 16:58:35 -0500
She’s a mental contortionist. I wonder if it’s painful to twist your brain like this?
commented 2017-12-15 16:55:55 -0500
Barbarism is as barbarism does…
commented 2017-12-15 16:37:20 -0500
Are all liberal women really this daft?