October 07, 2015

Shades of John Turner: Will TPP trade deal turn this election into "1988 revisited"?

Brian LilleyArchive

I sit down again with veteran campaign watcher Ray Heard to discuss the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Ray helps put some historical perspective on trade deals reminding us why most Canadians ultimately support them. We also discuss the fluidity of the polling numbers and why they should be taken with a grain of salt


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commented 2015-10-08 00:21:51 -0400
The idea that we can reject a trade deal, and that everything will remain the same?? This is a completely false narrative. For years, our exports to Korea have been growing… but in 2014, KORUS (USA/Korea FTA) was implemented… Canadian exports started dropping like the NDP in the polls, down and down… and the reason is simple… Korea could buy something from USA for 100$ OR…. but the same thing from Canada, for 108$ (100$ for the product and 8% for Korean import duty)… Previously, when something from USA, and the same-thing from Canada also costs 108$, it’s a even playing field.
In Jan of 2015, CKFTA was implemented (Canada/Korea FTA)… exactly 1 years after the American Korean deal…. and sha-zam…. Canadian exports immediately started to rise again…
If auto or auto-part workers really want to see hell, the can let their union (aka NDP) scuttle the TPP. Do NDP really believe that if we, Canada, opt out… the other 11 countries be motivated to but anything from Canada??? If the remaining 11 TPP countries want to have cars and parts that qualify for preferential, or no duty, it must have 45% TPP country content….. if Canada were to opt out, every single Canadian car and automotive part would be reducing the TPP content.,,
It’s astonishing how lefty lemming can be led straight to the slaughterhouse with a smile on their face.
commented 2015-10-07 23:27:57 -0400
Ray is right about Tories not being honest about their voting intentions to pollsters. When they call me I tell them I’m voting Liberal. I lie on purpose. If every Conservative did that, it would certainly screw with the plans of strategic voters.
commented 2015-10-07 20:58:32 -0400
People are too easily manipulated by the CTV, CBC, Toronto Star, Winnipeg Free Press The Metro et-al very leftist media in kahoots with the Media Party for their own ends!
When are people going to realize that what is good for these lying Talking Heads is not good for them and their family?
The Main Stream Media, Justin Trudeau and Tom Mulcair are literally manipulating people to vote against their own best interests! As Brian sya’ he has never seen an election like this one something is not right!
I have to agree, I believe it is the double speak and high level of lying and the not telling of issues that the Leftist establishment is pulling off! I have never seen the depth of lies’ this corrupt that the left is sprouting!
commented 2015-10-07 15:52:14 -0400
JT constantly hangs himself, with his stupid words and his stupid dithering. Unfortunately, the Media Party covers up for him. PM Harper needs to come up with something big, something important enough, the Media Party dare not ignore, or put a Spin on. Announcement on new laws, regarding the biased reporting of the Press like, ‘All media will give equal and fare coverage, on political issues, they must show the opinions of all parties, in an fare and just manner’. This is not curtailing freedom of speech, just insuring that the Press is honest and fare.
commented 2015-10-07 14:51:22 -0400
Conservatives are too polite to go after Justin on his position of sex ed. On trade, the conservatives need to be more forceful on the benefits but again, they are just too laid back.
commented 2015-10-07 14:00:55 -0400
Just to clarify – was referring to the first Turner-Mulroney campaign, The second Mulroney election he decided to make the election about the FTA because he had nothing to lose as polling put the PC way ahead of the Liberals – he knew that when he won it would be a plebiscite agreement with his agenda – a risk but not really – the end result was all the controversy the media could muster to try and scuttle the deal, Mulroney could counter with, the fact the electorate gave him a huge mandate to implement the FTA.
commented 2015-10-07 13:50:23 -0400
Mulroney did not debate Turner or win on a free trade platform
The Mulroney Verses Turner campaign is best remembered for Mulroney’s attacks on a raft of Liberal patronage appointments. In his final days in office, Trudeau had appointed a 100s of senators, judges, and administrative executives on various governmental and crown corporation boards. This was open pork barrel payola for Liberal party sycophants and enablers.

PET did not have time to finalize these patronage plumbs, that was up to the newly apointed PM John Turner, He had the right to cancel the appointments but he rubber stamped them signalling his administration would continue the Liberal tradition of being a brokerage party trading patronage for contract awards and lush sinecure appointments.
Mulrony coined one of the greatest political “gotcha” lines in the Leaders debate when he demanded that Turner apologize to the country for making these obvious pork barrel appointments Turner said he “had no option” except to let the appointments stand. Mulroney responded something to the effect:
“You had an option, sir. You had an option to say ‘no’ but you chose to say ‘yes’ to the old corrupt ways of the Liberal Party. “ BIG gotcha line that sunk Librano fortunes

He won a landslide – if we only knew then what we know now, we would have given him a lesser mandate to be reliant on opposition support for his agendas. His Free trade deal was essentially a bust for manufacturing and consumers and the GST strangles our buying power to this day.
commented 2015-10-07 12:31:01 -0400
When you are on the winning/common sense side, the only other side to play on is the side of morons/stupidity and there is a market for this “other side”.

Regardless of which side you play, you get paid and as a politician, you get a rosy pension.

So standard of living will improve with TPP. But this doesn’t matter. Both sides of the argument are represented.

It really comes down to what voters choose – you choose suicidal idiots like troodo or mulcair and the economic and financial pain that follows will be enormous – remember, either way, these two communist fucking assholes get paid, but not so much you. Remember that.