August 12, 2015

"In honesty, I didn't make my sign": SlutWalk revisited (Edmonton edition)

Lauren SouthernArchive

After my Vancouver SlutWalk video went viral, I knew it would be hard for me to cover another one of these marches, but I decided to go to the one in Edmonton anyway.

I went with a Rebel volunteer whose signs were ripped up by feminists who were offended by... data from Statistics Canada!

Marchers called me "ignorant," a "troll" and a "fake journalist."

The ones who did talk to me were sometimes confused and inarticulate.

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commented 2015-08-14 19:47:12 -0400
Paul.

I never said you lied – I just wanted to see your work. You can think whatever you want – but Lauren Southern is not a journalist. She is a commentator with a tabloid mentality. Lauren is not there to get the story – she is there to BE the story. It’s all about her. That’s not journalism and she isn’t doing what you have done.

The very fact that Ezra has gone out of his way to indicate that he is not a journalist – but a commentator and pundit proves my point. He knows that he doesn’t break major news stories or do any kind of investigative journalism – he mostly just comments on work that other people have done in the media almost like a movie critic providing their like or dislike to a movie.
commented 2015-08-14 17:05:55 -0400
Jimmy, my pundit days were about 8 years ago, I’m currently trying to get Cape Breton Concrete to forward to myself a copy of their video as mine is lost in VCR tape land somewhere. However, the CBC’s webpage with my intro and blog entries are here: http://www.cbc.ca/saskvotes2007/blog/rosetown.html but really, thanks for trying to call me a liar, prick. I was the news director of the home radio station for the leader of the opposition. A few hundred votes going the other way in 2 constituencies and I would have been the go to guy for the premier after that election. Every politician I talked to thought of me as a journalist, CBC called me a journalist, and the guy who ran the school I took broadcasting in called me a journalist. I’ll take their label over yours, as by your definition I was apparently something else. You see, I never got a degree in journalism. I took a 15 week course in a private school in Saskatoon, and went on to take jobs away from people who did have degrees in journalism, because I was more of a … wait for it … JOURNALIST! I went on to work for several years as a journalist, for several organizations, all of whom thought of me as a journalist. Now here you are informing me, and hundreds of others who work in or near the industry, that we were all wrong. Now, commentators. A commentator is someone who provides perspective on a situation. By definition their focus is small and usually biased. Ezra calls himself that, but he’s being minimalist in his self-appraisal. I’ve never heard Lauren or any other contributor here refer to themselves as commentators. Glen Suitor is a commentator for the CFL, for example. They’re all still journalists. Have they provided to the public a news story, that is a story about something new or with new details or insight? Yes, on all counts. Do they have an audience? Yes, they do. Or take the literal definition; one who journals. That would include just about everyone.
So, where’s your bona fides Jimmy? What school did you get your journalism degree in? What right do you have to pass judgement or assign labels? You know what Jimmy? Just listen for the doorbell. That would be your credibility, trying to hook up with you.
commented 2015-08-14 16:14:37 -0400
Good work Lauren.
If we live in a “Rape Culture” as they say, did it ever occur to them then that their father, brothers, uncles, grand fathers, sons – all males, are then “Rapists” and that they too then are a product of “rape” as their mother must have been raped for them to have been born…unless of course, they were conceived by immaculate conception but I doubt they would believe in that as well…
commented 2015-08-14 15:14:56 -0400
It looks a lot like Woodstock, and I can gather the only men there are either gay or hoping there’s going to be a big party afterwards with lots of half naked women. If you want to be associated with a derogatory word, mission accomplished. How that improves the dialogue, totally unsure. I support your right so fill your hat.
commented 2015-08-14 13:44:19 -0400
Emilio,

I do engage in debate and sometimes it ends in colorful words. Having said that, if I think that you are a complete fucking moron for example, then quite often there is no point in debating someone like you. It would be a waste of my time.

I didn’t apologize at all. If you can’t handle my personality as I said – that’s your problem. You allow yourself to be offended and I suggested – maybe it is best to just ignore me and I can debate with others who are no so incredibly delicate.

As I posted – a judge disagreed with the basic generic definition of a journalist. In addition, Ezra himself has stated that he is a not a journalist, but a commentator and pundit – so the guy who created this site disagrees with you. Lauren Southern is a commentator AT BEST on a conservative OPINION website.

Lauren is not there to get the story – she is there to BE the story – you are retarded if you don’t know the difference.

And now a word to you from Al Pacino:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4iVsSn2-_o
commented 2015-08-14 12:34:19 -0400
The Lie Culture of the radical left (‘rape culture’, applied to the western world, being their latest whopper) is extremely corrosive to society and is becoming more so as time goes on. Another example would be the disassociation of gender identity from the body, the aim of which is to totally obliterate the established order of societal norms that has been the basis for civilization over many centuries. A society that wants to survive intact will combat such a cancer in its midst, and fortunately there are still some honest people like Lauren Southern around to do that. Thanks, Lauren.
commented 2015-08-14 11:07:39 -0400
Why is it these “slut walks” never occur in front of a Mosque (are these not bastions of “patriarchal repression”)? The answer is obvious because that would lead to certain violence and has no “selfie value” when all you really want to accomplish is parade your ego around in public.
commented 2015-08-14 03:31:39 -0400
Jimmy Da Silva,
Your justifications for your lack of decorum hold no water. I will certainly give you credit for using the term “dancing monkey”. Upon deeper thought that term does certainly describe your behaviour. You do tend to dance around topics flinging your feces at others like a simpleton. Furthermore, calling someone a moron rather than engaging in a proper debate is not using “colourful” language – it is offensive, childish, brutish and simply a crutch used by those who lack any means or skill to properly debate a topic. I do thank you for finally admitting to everyone that you are offensive and apologizing for it! Now – back to the topic at hand. By definition as listed in the Oxford dictionary Lauren is clearly a journalist. As for your assertion that you require a journalism degree to be a journalist – that is patently false. You certainly are entitled to your opinion as to the quality of the articles, but to say she is not a journalist goes contrary to the definition of the term. That is the message that I have been attempting to convey to you. If it may help I could always write it in crayon for you…
commented 2015-08-13 22:24:06 -0400
Token,

Lauren is not a journalist on any level. At best, she is a commentator. The same thing that Ezra calls himself. He also states that he is not a journalist.

You must be shitty at your job since you can’t comprehend what you are reading – I have stated more than once now that being a true journalist has nothing to do if I agree with them or not. There are conservative journalists that I do not agree with.

Is there a Youtube clip of your CBC appearance or from the CBC website? Please provide proof.
commented 2015-08-13 21:39:51 -0400
So, actual journalists don’t have the right to say someone else who is doing a job that they consider to be journalism are journalists? Judgement by peers is irrelevant? No, Jimmy, what you’re doing there is attaching a label, “non-journalist”, to someone who’s views don’t coincide with yours and you can’t argue it on logic so you discredit them, no matter how idiotic you sound. It’s a subtle form of putting your hands over your ears and saying “I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you!”. I’ve earned my cred, I’ve even been a paid pundit for your hero the mighty CBC, and I say she’s a journalist. You’re a sniveling lefty mudslinging lying coward, who has absolutely no cred, and your bleating about labels is so obviously self serving it’s actually painful to read. Please, Jimmy, refer to my previous post involving rocks and trolls. Before we sic Vlad on you.
commented 2015-08-13 21:07:54 -0400
Token,

No you don’t – not if you are claiming that Lauren Southern is a journalist and defending her as such.
commented 2015-08-13 21:05:54 -0400
Emilio Estevez,

I don’t throw fits and I am sorry that my use of colorful words offends you. Perhaps we live in a vastly different culture. For example – in my industry, I hear the word fuck uttered 80 times on a daily basis before noon.

Jon Steward also named called and even people who hated him admitted that he was very intelligent – did he offend you? Some of the most intelligent people on the planet use the same colorful words that I do – it’s a fallacy that it has anything to do with intelligence.

I will not be your dancing monkey and act in whatever way you think I should. If my personality is too much for you and you are very delicate, sensitive and uptight – then it’s probably best to just ignore me.

I didn’t conveniently avoid anything. I am not a troll and even other conservatives here have said that, so since that doesn’t apply to me – there was nothing to say.
commented 2015-08-13 20:55:05 -0400
So I don’t know what a journalist is Jimmy? I guess all those years of holding a microphone and meeting the top-of-the-hour deadline doesn’t buy any cred with jerks like you at all then. I submit that I am eminently qualified to have an opinion of what a journalist is, what a journalist’s job should be, and what qualifications a journalist should have to be called one, while you don’t know a single fucking thing about it but you like to think you do. Crawl back in your hole, troll. I wouldn’t ask you for the time unless I could see a reliable clock over your shoulder.
commented 2015-08-13 18:49:47 -0400
Lauren, you are such a sweet, lovable, and gorgeous woman. You are intelligent, thoughtful and anti bullshit. Perfect woman? Intelligence, ambition, and strength are so damn sexy. These feminists and their pansy male supporters can learn something from you.

Nothing wrong with telling a woman she’s gorgeous. It used to be normal, kind, and chivalrous. Today, it’s tantamount to grey rape. You feminists are going to scare away all the good men and you’ll all live lonely lives without love or family. Both of which get much more important as you age and realize how much life sucks.
commented 2015-08-13 18:02:53 -0400
Jimmy Da Silva:
Apparently you seem to think that you control the definition of terminology in the English language. Debasing yourself to name calling only makes you seem like a simple child and dullard yourself. Do you always throw fits and name call others rather than discussing a topic like a civilized person? I certainly did notice how you conveniently avoided discussing the term “Internet Troll”. Amazing how the definition so closely describes your actions upon this website. When you are ready to act like a proper adult and use your “big boy” words I would look forward to debating you. Until then I suggest you sit in a corner and think about your conduct.
commented 2015-08-13 17:34:35 -0400
This was absolutely frustrating to watch. I get Lauren’s overall point, which is radical feminists will not accept men until everything is done on THEIR terms sexually and, well in just about every way they choose. Her delivery of this point is unrefined and it is making her not very popular. Just because something is illegal and unaccepted, such as rape culture, does not mean it doesn’t exist. As Lauren pointed out some time ago, it certainly exists for men in prison, and she just cannot favour one hand to spite the other. Rape culture runs strong in criminal gangs, within certain Islamic groups, in prisons for both men and women, and all of this does in fact exist in Canada. I researched this months ago looking to disprove rape culture myself, but being as thorough as I am, actually discovered one. Criminal yes, unaccepted, very much so, but still there.

A better message would be perhaps ‘Rape culture is a myth’ or ‘Rape culture is exaggerated’.

I did like the sign which said ‘Sluts; Your first world privilege is showing’. A better point could not be made! You don’t see too many slut walks in India, where they are trying to combine the first and second waves of feminism, and you certainly do not see this in nations like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

These matriarchs here are barking up the wrong bloody tree if they want to promote women’s rights, but to outright deny the existence of a rape culture, as unaccepted and degraded as it is in Canada, is practically incorrect.
commented 2015-08-13 16:39:31 -0400
Great job of reporting, Lauren
commented 2015-08-13 15:51:35 -0400
My hats off to you Lauren. I wouldn’t be able to spend that much time with a crowd of idiots.
commented 2015-08-13 15:11:35 -0400
Like gay people taking back the word queer – I support the slut walk. Women should be able to wear whatever the hell the want without men thinking it’s an invite for women to be raped.
commented 2015-08-13 14:54:55 -0400
Its pretty weird alright Judy.
commented 2015-08-13 14:52:55 -0400
Troll, why do you have to ruin every damn topic. Do you have an opinion on slut walk or not?
Electricians tape or duck tape? Is kink your consent? Or better still evaporate.
commented 2015-08-13 14:52:48 -0400
It would greatly benefit our society if more men (and women) joined groups like MGTOW…(and their female alternative WGTOW)…perhaps people would eventually have REAL relationships instead of the phoney garbage they call dating today…I say…go for it dudes! It will give some girls relief…so it is to everyone’s advantage. I’ll bet those girls doing the walk were really glad you were in MGTOW…did anyone ask????

I think this is a very interesting thing…women in the ‘so called’ slut walk are, if they are honest, WGTOW… I can see why they walked together with MGTOW…a new dating system. Weird. It’s the new playing hard to get scene.
commented 2015-08-13 14:45:50 -0400
Chad,

If your brain had ability to comprehend what you read – I said that journalists can be wrong, etc. Having said that, Roosh V has been defined as providing hate speech in other countries – this isn’t just a Canada thing. The MSM have only commented on the fact that there has been a backlash – with 40,000 people signing a petition to keep him out of Canada, etc.

Where is the CBC saying that Roosh shouldn’t be allowed in Canada?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/roosh-v-not-welcome-in-toronto-mayor-john-tory-says-1.3186647

There is no double standard – I have even proven that with examples that I provided. Want more? There are journalists that work at The Toronto Sun and National Post – both are right leaning news sources.

The Rebel and Lauren Southern are not journalists. Not to mention Ezra’s own admission that he is not a journalist.
commented 2015-08-13 14:20:25 -0400
Jimmy – Then why does the Main Stream Media still consider Roosh V an MRA? Where is their investigative integrity that doesn’t look long enough at Roosh V’s content where he quite directly states that he is NOT an MRA?

Yeah… you and your double-standards can go jump off a cliff and hope to fly, only to crash into the ground so hard that it leaves a mess for someone else to have to clean up. Sorry, but I’d rather not have to clean up after you.
commented 2015-08-13 14:12:42 -0400
Chad,

Good, then I am glad that we agree that Lauren isn’t a journalist.

Ezra himself has claimed that he is not a journalist or reporter – but a pundit and commentator, so your point is moot.

No one said that a journalist can’t be wrong or do a piss poor job. The Rebel wishes that they were recognized the world over like the CBC is – Canada’s official broadcaster, news and media source.

There is no double standard – those media sources provide real news and break news through investigation. The Rebel simply comments per their agenda and give opinion on work other people have done. Let me know when The Rebel breaks a major news story instead of the bullshit or non-stories that seem to be what The Rebel is all about.

Lastly, what you think is irrelevant. That was the ruling the judge made and I am quite sure that he would laugh at the notion that there is journalism going on here.
commented 2015-08-13 13:53:44 -0400
Jimmy – I forgot to add to the first part that, you did know that no profession started out in schools right? School is great and all, it can give you a base, but it is not the only way to obtain that base, and in most other employment, it is not exactly something that will get you hired automatically, just because you have that piece of paper.
commented 2015-08-13 13:48:48 -0400
Jimmy -

1.Education in journalism.
You did know that Lauren is a student, and does Rebel Media part time right?

2.Credentials or proof of affiliation with a recognized news entity.
Neither is Anita Sarkeesian, but she is considered a journalist. Plus, this is censorship, or rather a violation of Charter Rights under Freedom of Expression, as well as Freedom of the Press. Not to mention, Ezra and Brian have been “affiliated” before, on more than one occasion, which means right now, they qualify as Freelance Reporters at the very least. That said, it is they who created Rebel Media, and likely satisfy all your other criteria, which makes Rebel valid as a news outlet, and by Lauren associating with them, and producing news content under Rebel Media, should qualify her as a Small-Time, Freelance Journalist.

3.Proof of adherence to journalistic standards such as editing, fact-checking, or disclosures of conflicts of interest.
CBC continues to fail in all three of these aspects, but I see you champion them all the time. Talk about double-standard.

4.Keeping notes of conversations and interviews conducted.
I’m pretty sure Rebel Media does this.

5.Mutual understanding or agreement of confidentiality between the defendant and his/her sources.
What does this even apply to? All I can think of is coverage over a legal presiding, which people must agree to outside of just Journalism when it applies.

6.Creation of an independent product rather than assembling writings and postings of others.
Uh… I don’t know what you thought news was, but the people who are vastly more in violation of this are media outlets like the CBC, CTV, Global, CNN, and so many more. So are you still running double standards?
commented 2015-08-13 13:42:55 -0400
What an interesting post Kevin.
If only we could live in such a cause and effect world today. I can sure think of a few “journalists” who have “decades of experience” I would like to see come to a gruesome end.
Lauren is just holding up a mirror for the left social agenda pushers so they can see themselves and hopefully it reflects the truth back to the world.
The cat calling scene as the self described ‘sluts’ cheered in recognition/appreciation(?) was some bit reflection to behold! Quite the contradiction.
commented 2015-08-13 13:26:33 -0400
Chad,

Yes – people who are real journalists and you know, went to school for journalism have a problem with the basic definition of journalism.

In fact, a judge ruled that an opinion site/blog similar to The Rebel for example isn’t journalism.

http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/oregon-court-rules-blogging-isnt-journalism/

These were the judge’s requirements of a journalist:

1.Education in journalism.
2.Credentials or proof of affiliation with a recognized news entity (of which The Rebel is NOT – they are an opinion website)
3.Proof of adherence to journalistic standards such as editing, fact-checking, or disclosures of conflicts of interest (where The Rebel completely fails)
4.Keeping notes of conversations and interviews conducted
5.Mutual understanding or agreement of confidentiality between the defendant and his/her sources
6.Creation of an independent product rather than assembling writings and postings of others.

I said before that my agreeing with them or not has nothing to do with them being real journalists or not. The Washington Times for example is a conservative newspaper and I don’t agree with them a whole lot, but they are real journalists.

But you are right – first Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein and now Lauren Southern. They are exactly the same.

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