February 21, 2019

(WATCH) Steven Crowder's team goes UNDERCOVER: Late-Term Abortion Clinics Exposed!

Rebel Staff

Steven Crowder sends two women -- one pregnant at 25 weeks with her baby Rose, the other acting as her moral support -- to an abortion clinic in Colorado to expose the truth about late term abortions -- a truth the left, and media, do not want you to see.

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commented 2019-02-23 14:00:19 -0500
All responses to Al Peterson:

“Real doctors don’t kill babies. "
Fetuses technically aren’t babies. And, yes, there are reports of “real” doctors performing abortions, so clearly they do.

’Only to a sick mind like yours. Its funny that it used to be clear (pre- PET) but suddenly now it is not clear. That is because you want to believe lies of which this is the second biggest one. There is no right to kill innocent people because of where they live. :

It’s not an issue that arose with PET. Abortion happened long before then, it was just not openly acknowledged. One of the reasons for liberalization was that people were dying from illegal abortions.

The Supreme Court has determined that fetuses are not people and do not have legal rights as such. (Tremblay v. Daigle,1989)

“Murder of any kind can be intensely subjective but that never justifies it. Once again- abortion gets a pass. Human life takes precedence over all other rights. Always has except when abortion gets its own set of arbitrary designed rules.

Murder is different, as the victim is free living and not reliant on infringing on the security-of-person of the murderer. If someone dies waiting for a liver transplant, and you could have donated a piece to save them, you are not guilty of murder for refusing to donate. Nor is the government legally able to confiscate it even to save someone else’s life. This may be ethically treacherous but the law is crystal-clear.

It’s not “arbitrary” at all – to reiterate, abortion bears that security-of-person issue unique to the issue.

“I have always maintained, since i began studying logic many years ago that the slippery slope is not a logical fallacy. You see it happen all the time. "

The intent is the same. You’re arguing about what could happen, instead of what actually is (it’s a strawman) If your speculative scenario happens, then it becomes fodder for debate, but until it does, it remains separate from the issue at hand.

Godwin’s law is also specific form of a strawman argument. You’re arguing against Nazis, not me.

Both scenarios are frequently used when you can’t mount an effective argument against the present issue, so you attempt to change the subject to a related, but distinct topic, you’re more confident about arguing about. This does not refute the original argument, and is considered poor form while debating.

“The question remains, why do you want to believe and promulgate lies? |”

Loaded question. I don’t. This is entirely subjective, and there is nothing here that is objectively a “lie”.

I do not believe the Jesus ideology.
commented 2019-02-23 02:08:01 -0500
Good show Mr Trump.
commented 2019-02-22 22:14:54 -0500
I can’t post the link for some reason, but it was in the Washington Examiner Feb.22, 2019

“The Trump administration posted a final rule Friday that would require family planning clinics to be housed in separate buildings from abortion clinics, a move that would cut off Planned Parenthood from some federal funding.”
commented 2019-02-22 18:02:57 -0500
It is worth noticing that , like all leftists, the abortion clinic is lying.
commented 2019-02-22 18:01:39 -0500
The flip side of Godwin’s “Law”

Generalization, corollaries, usage[edit]
There are many corollaries to Godwin’s law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)3 than others.1 For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.8 This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin’s law.9

Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
commented 2019-02-22 17:55:57 -0500
I would prefer if fake doctors kept their hands and tools out of women’s reproductive organs. "

Me too. It’s best left to real doctors.
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Real doctors don’t kill babies. Any more than they kill Jews.

Abortion isn’t clearly “right” or “wrong”, since this is a matter of competing rights.
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Only to a sick mind like yours. Its funny that it used to be clear (pre- PET) but suddenly now it is not clear. That is because you want to believe lies of which this is the second biggest one. There is no right to kill innocent people because of where they live.

Recognizing the intense subjectivity the government basically stays out and lets individuals chart their own course.
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Murder of any kind can be intensely subjective but that never justifies it. Once again- abortion gets a pass. Human life takes precedence over all other rights. Always has except when abortion gets its own set of arbitrary designed rules.

You’re arguing against your own argument again. This is a strawman.
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No I’m not. You have arbitrarily made up rules about which right takes precedence. You say they are equal but hey are not. You are definitely desperately seeking comforting lies. This sate of affairs you talk about is a recent construct of the left in the last 50 years.

There is nothing objective about the morality of abortion.
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Only if you are self-deluded and willfully blind. Only the most evil person could state that the chopping up a baby is not objectively wrong. But of course this is the same person who resorted to the BS argument that babies are parasites so we shouldn’t be surprised by more desperate lies.

As I said, CDC.
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My apologies. I missed that. I’m used to your usual made up stats. kind of like babies are parasites.

Do you know what Godwin’s law is? You’ve even integrated it into a “slippery slope” fallacy, which I suppose is really emblematic of your arguing style.
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Who decided the Godwin’s law is a “law”? That gives false credlbility and assurance to a position. I have not called you Hitler. I have said that you hold the same capricious moral standards as a certain Nazi doctor who killed people who arbitrarily were arbitrarily decided to be unwanted and justified it by lying about them. I also pointed out that many so called medical professionals “chose” to eliminate people they arbitrarily decide were undesirable. All of this is true.

I have always maintained, since i began studying logic many years ago that the slippery slope is not a logical fallacy. You see it happen all the time.

The question remains, why do you want to believe and promulgate lies?

The answer is obvious:

44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

John 8:44
commented 2019-02-22 12:37:44 -0500
“Andrew do you think that only conservatives care about the fact that viable unborn babies are being aborted and sold for parts? "

I think the conservatives are the only ones who want to steal other people’s reproductive rights based upon misconceptions around abortion.

“Even using your stats, ‘5600’ ABORTIONS IS NOT RARE. "

In terms of both overall population and in terms of abortions themselves, yes, it is.

“Embryonic stem cells have proven to be unsuccessful.’

Due to the ethical concerns, very few studies have actually been done. Stem cells in general have a low success rate, and this is more a question of “survivorship bias”.

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I would prefer if fake doctors kept their hands and tools out of women’s reproductive organs. "

Me too. It’s best left to real doctors.

“Like any law it forces people to do the right thing and prevents them from doing the wrong thing. Why should abortion get a pass? "

Abortion isn’t clearly “right” or “wrong”, since this is a matter of competing rights. Taking away a woman’s reproductive rights and her security of person is arguably also “wrong”. Recognizing the intense subjectivity the government basically stays out and lets individuals chart their own course.

“This is why the left is forever seeking comforting lies. And it is why they want to believe and promulgate lies.”
You’re arguing against your own argument again. This is a strawman.

A lie must be objectively wrong. There is nothing objective about the morality of abortion.

“More numbers with no independent support. Drawn out of thin air. Why is it you want to believe and promulgate lies?
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As I said, CDC. Those were 2014 numbers, but I’ve since found the 2015 ones, which show it at 4900. See table 22 at https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/ss6713a1.htm#T22_down

Your accusation of “lie” is again misplaced. This time I’ve provided a hard fact, which you have not refuted. If you’re going to make that accusation, you’d better be able to back it up.

Do you know what Godwin’s law is? You’ve even integrated it into a “slippery slope” fallacy, which I suppose is really emblematic of your arguing style.
commented 2019-02-22 11:11:53 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 23 hours ago
Conservatives need to learn to keep their noses out of other people’s reproductive organs.


I would prefer if fake doctors kept their hands and tools out of women’s reproductive organs.
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For a bunch of supposed freedom-lovers they sure get awful paternalistic about morality.
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Morality is always “paternalistic”. Just like the left wanting to force people to address people in a certain way or be charged. Paternalism isn’t the issue- it’s a smoke screen to hide the real issue- morality.

Like any law it forces people to do the right thing and prevents them from doing the wrong thing. Why should abortion get a pass?

This is another example of the 3rd Pillar of Leftiedom- the refusal to exercise discernment. This is why the left is forever seeking comforting lies. And it is why they want to believe and promulgate lies.
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Liza, late term abortions (defined as 20-24 weeks, independent viability), overall, are 1-2% of total procedures, which is indeed ’rare". Elective ones are a small component of that. CDC reported 5600 “late term” (21 weeks in US) procedure in 2014 out of 550,000 total, just over 1%
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More numbers with no independent support. Drawn out of thin air. Why is it you want to believe and promulgate lies?

“It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble.”
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Mr-Babies-Are-Parasites Joseph Mengele would applaud your efforts to justify the unjustifiable.

Why stop here? There are so any new horizons for your tender mercies to address:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia3w6Vv9SpU
commented 2019-02-21 22:54:54 -0500
Jan G. Re stem cells. I didn’t know that. Thanks for info.
commented 2019-02-21 20:33:39 -0500
Andrew Stephenson:
You just proved the point that late term abortions are not rare.
Even using your stats, ‘5600’ ABORTIONS IS NOT RARE.
commented 2019-02-21 20:02:45 -0500
CMDR Buzz Corey, WW 11 is world war two, not world war eleven. lol I agree abortionist doctors are the same as the nazis in ww 2 (make it easy for them to understand lol) and maybe even worse. I think some of these mothers are also on the same level as the nazis.
commented 2019-02-21 19:38:05 -0500
These abortion doctors and are just the same as the SS Nazi’s like Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengle who murdered millions of people during WWII (for your crybaby liberals who know haven’t a clue about history, WWII is World War Two, not World War Eleven).
commented 2019-02-21 18:10:13 -0500
It must have been hard for that pregnant woman to go in and get that footage for Crowder. To have to listen to that 8 month gone woman in the waiting room talking about it so casually, as if the almost to term baby was just an inconvenience. It must have been hard for her to retain her composure.
commented 2019-02-21 16:38:22 -0500
Not as rare as it used to be. The body part business is big business. Late term abortions can’t be that rare.

Graphic written content not pics.
http://havacuppahemlock1.blogspot.com/2016/03/fetuses-kept-alive-for-organ-harvesting.html

https://impiousdigest.com/inside-the-abortion-clinic/2/

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1306761/posts
1999 article reprinted 2004
“Because the sale of human tissue or body parts is prohibited by federal law, the traffickers have worked out an arrangement to expedite the process from which they all benefit and still remain within current interpretations of the law. For instance, the harvesters receive the fetal material as a " donation" from the abortion clinic. In return, the clinic is paid a “site fee” for rental of lab space where technicians, employed by the harvesters, perform as many dissections as necessary to fill researcher manifests. The harvesters then “donate” the body parts to the researchers and, rather than pay the harvesters for the actual body parts, “donate” the cost of the retrieval (a service) via a formal price list."
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Andrew do you think that only conservatives care about the fact that viable unborn babies are being aborted and sold for parts?
commented 2019-02-21 12:00:39 -0500
Conservatives need to learn to keep their noses out of other people’s reproductive organs. For a bunch of supposed freedom-lovers they sure get awful paternalistic about morality.

Liza, late term abortions (defined as 20-24 weeks, independent viability), overall, are 1-2% of total procedures, which is indeed ’rare". Elective ones are a small component of that. CDC reported 5600 “late term” (21 weeks in US) procedure in 2014 out of 550,000 total, just over 1%.
commented 2019-02-21 11:30:00 -0500
So, for a live birth abortion it sounds like they shoot the baby up with a saline solution or something, send you off to a scuzzy motel down the street until your body starts to reject the dead baby, bringing on contractions and dilation. Then you get yourself back to the clinic and the rest is profit for someone, not you, or the fully developed viable baby you just murdered.
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That woman had a husband who didn’t want her to do it, she, at 8 months just decided she didn’t feel like going through with it?
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Regarding stem cells for treatment for certain diseases, stem cells can be retrieved from the umbilical cord, they don’t need anything else. They have graduated to full blown harvesting of human parts with this late term crap.
commented 2019-02-21 11:15:27 -0500
“he’s fine, there is nothing wrong with him”, says the mother of the 8 month old baby she is about to murder.
It is simply inconceivable to me that a woman could carry a baby for 8 months, feel it move in response to her voice, walk into an abortion clinic and casually talk about it, like she was getting an infected tooth pulled.
There is no way a society can accept this.

This may sound naive, but I thought that late term abortions were only performed very rarely and when there was a dire threat to the mother. I thought anything past 12 weeks was considered a late term abortion. I was under the impression that there was no way a doctor would actually perform late term abortions.

I thought we had some restrictions in Canada. I was wrong. We have none. I didn’t realize this until I started hearing about hidden recordings of top people involved with Planned Parenthood talking about how much money they could get for well developed organs and tissue. That’s was when I realized what was happening. Only then, did I check to find out where Canada sits. We have no restrictions to when an abortion can be performed. I have no doubt that the late term babies murdered in Canada are put to ‘good’ use for profit. Its murder.
commented 2019-02-21 10:43:21 -0500
That’s shocking! The mother with a 32 wk old baby in her uterus talking about it like it’s an inconvenience, a tumor. She’s a whining murdering witch. She could have let the baby be born at full term and gave the baby up for adoption or perhaps would have kept the baby after seeing him/her. How can these ignorant women scream that no one has the right to tell them what to do with their body. Sorry fools, those babies are not your body. They are individuals that just so happen to be in a serial killer’s body (because many of them have multiple abortions). So many lies surround abortion. It makes me sick and very sad for the infants who are being killed based on nothing but lies and bullying tactics so abortion clinics can make their snuff money of tiny infants for profit. What kind of a world approves and allows this? The murder of the most innocent helpless tiny babies in society. They (abortionists and mothers who allow it) are more outraged when an animal is neglected and they can all rot in hell.
commented 2019-02-21 10:18:19 -0500
These same manipulative techniques and justifications have been used before. Even to the use of specialists and doctors to give scientific authority to the evil being propagated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia3w6Vv9SpU
commented 2019-02-21 09:27:58 -0500
Ah, Joseph. You must be proud of your colleagues.