April 11, 2017

Stop bringing your kids to church!

Gavin McInnesArchive

I'm new to going to church every Sunday, and it's hard to make sense of religion and Bible stories when there's some baby screaming through Mass. So here's my message to my fellow parents:


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commented 2017-06-09 22:16:46 -0400
EVERY time I go to mass these days there is always at least one family nearby with a child of about, oh three to six years old which they allow to talk throughout the service. It’s maddening. It’s not the occasional whisper to the parent, or playing quietly in the pew. It’s the child literally talking in a normal tone of voice during mass. Why do the parents not correct the child? When I was a child, we were expected to sit quietly during mass or else. We didn’t question it. You could hear a pin drop. Do people not realize that a child talking throughout mass is not only disruptive to others but also very rude? Here is the thing before you toss the “suffer the little children” line my way: When Jesus said, “Hey, let the little, innocent children come to me because the kingdom of Heaven belongs to those with innocent faith such as these”, I’m sure that once the children got there they sat and listened to him. They didn’t talk over Jesus or not sit and listen to him. If they or adults are going to learn, they need to also learn to be still and listen. And you don’t need to quote scripture to me; yes I’m a Catholic Christian believer and am still annoyed by rude kids in church. Can’t we just call it for what it is? Rude people.
commented 2017-04-19 12:34:07 -0400
There are two kinds of religion in the world.
1. Those that require you to do certain things in order to earn your way to heaven.
2. Those that require nothing except repentance from sin and dead works in order that you may be FORGIVEN and trusting in the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
There is only one religion that fits into the 2nd category. That is Christianity. TRUE Christianity.
Watch this video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcJVTDIMLM0
commented 2017-04-13 08:40:40 -0400
Hey Gavin, you should come to my church. We have a nursery. Problem solved!
commented 2017-04-12 15:46:19 -0400
A very unedifying, video, Gavin. However, I am glad that you are attending a worship service. That is a good start for your journey.
A few tips I learned very early on in my Christian life, which have served me and my family well over the years. This is not an exhaustive list – very basic.
Find a church where:
1. Jesus Christ and the gospel (his death, burial, resurrection) are the foundation for all that the congregation does.
2. the Bible, the Word of God, is the focus of the teaching and the bottom line for determining truth.
3. there are people willing to sit down and discuss, and/or help you understand the Bible.
4. tradition is peripheral, not the focus (run if you hear the old line: “We do it this way because we have always done it this way, or because our head office tells us to do it this way”)

Do not show up:
1. to be entertained.
2. with the expectation that you will leave feeling good about yourself (you may learn something about yourself, but it may be quite shocking!). Actually the best thing you can learn about yourself is that you are total wretch and you are TOTALLY dependent on God’s grace to be even alive! Learning and accepting those two truths is actually the first step towards realizing the joy that you could actually have that is beyond comprehension to you now.
3. thinking that you are doing God a favour by being there.

Do show up because you desire in your heart to know God, or even just to know about God. A Bible-believing/Bible teaching church will help you do that.

I would tend to agree with Maurice, that the name on the door, or the name of the denomination, is not the primary factor. But I do know that some denominations are more faithful to the Bible than others, and even within denominations you can find some variation. I suggest evangelical churches, because many of them were begun as they tired of the traditionalism of the mainlines churches that were bogged down in historical chains and had strayed from Bible-centred theology. There are churches that are into a touchy-feely focus: Stay away from them because the focus tends to be on me rather than on Jesus.
commented 2017-04-12 00:51:09 -0400
Gavin start with the gospel of John.
commented 2017-04-12 00:50:16 -0400
If you put your trust in human beings you’ll be disappointed every time. We’re all sinners. Jesus is the only one who can be trusted.
commented 2017-04-11 20:57:19 -0400
Had to learn the hard way to distrust religious people.
commented 2017-04-11 20:35:55 -0400
Traditionally, parents with small children go to different Masses – that way one parent can stay home with the infant while the other parent makes it to Mass. When that is not possible, then the parent of a crying child will take the child outside so as not to be a distraction to others; when the child calms down, they’d return to the pew. Older siblings can also hold the crying child and give mom or dad a brief break. But yeah, it’s not your job to pretend to be unaffected by a screaming infant; that’s unreasonable.
commented 2017-04-11 17:40:33 -0400
Gavin, 15 of my 21 grandchildren were with us in Church, Sunday. It was rather chaotic, actually. Butt (correct spelling, read Gavin), I loved it. Attending church as a family, infants included, establishes in their hearts and minds, where they should be and what their priorities are.

“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” Proverbs 22:6 King James Version. You know. From the book that bores.

If you care to hear what your preacher, speaker, reverend, pasture, bishop, etc. is saying – pray attention. Stop allowing what’s going on around you from affecting what should be going on inside you. Besides, you’ll never remember the mass of words you hear over your entire lifetime, anyway. The spirit you feel is far more important than the words you hear. Don’t make church your only source of enlightenment. If you want words, study the scriptures throughout the week. You’re really in church to demonstrate your love for God and your fellow travellers and to renew your covenants with God, express your gratitude for Christ’s Atonement and strengthen your commitment to follow Him.

Watch the video Glenn Craig posted, over and over, until you get it. You’re on the right track, but you’ve got a ways to go. In the meantime, keep up the good work. You actually are doing a good work. But, Paleeze, tone down the sharp and grating adjectives. I would so love to share your posts with my family, but until you stop puncturing my ears with your verbal accessories, I just can’t.

Also, attending church should actually be helping to refine your tongue. Why use satanic language to express your malice for children while worshipping God? Do you not see the irony in what you just did? You’re drawing close to God with your lips, but your heart is far from Him. At least that’s the impression you presented.

Using a vulgar and debased description of a God given sacred act as an expression of contempt is evil. The king of evil loves when you mix his favourite word in with God’s work. It’s like throwing meadow muffins in with the cookie dough. I love cookies! Manure? Not so much.

A sad thing now is, it’s spilling over to some other Rebel reporters. Sadly, Jay Fayza is demonstrating a propensity to embellish his stories with a harsh base line, as well. He does so remarkably well without it.
commented 2017-04-11 17:18:58 -0400
Jesus quotes the old testament around 300 times in the bible. About 200 of those quotes come from books in the old testament that Luther threw out of his bible. Hmmm good enough for Jesus, but not Luther!
commented 2017-04-11 15:57:43 -0400
Maurice said, “The only thing that matters is accepting Jesus into your heart as your personal savior and making Him Lord of your life.”

Yes, the core beliefs, as I mentioned.
commented 2017-04-11 14:31:30 -0400
Paul Bryce, Jim Norwood & Peter Netterville, it matters not what denominational label is on the door of the church, whether it be Catholic, Orthodox, Pentecostal, Evangelical or Protestant. The only thing that matters is accepting Jesus into your heart as your personal savior and making Him Lord of your life. I was a cradle Catholic and spent most of my adult life in the Catholic church. I made the difficult decision to leave only after years of studying scripture and finding there were aspects of Catholic doctrine that I just couldn’t reconcile with the Bible, none of which, by the way, were key to salvation. I left, not because I didn’t feel spiritually nourished, but because I believed that by taking part in the sacrifice of the Mass without embracing the whole of Catholic doctrine I would be desecrating something Catholics hold very sacred. I had too much respect for my Catholic brethren to do that. But still have many friends in the Catholic church who love and serve Jesus with all their hearts, and they’re just as saved as anyone else.
commented 2017-04-11 12:25:09 -0400
@ Jim Norwood

Jim, even though there are a lot of different “sects” in the Protestant Church as you call it, the core beliefs remain the same.
commented 2017-04-11 11:38:37 -0400
“Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such are the Kingdom of Heaven” Learn that verse first Gavin.
commented 2017-04-11 11:34:46 -0400
Paul Bryce , there are over 30,000 different protestant sects. Can you tell me which one is the true one, as they all have different teachings. Before 1930 all Christian religions taught that abortion, sex acts outside of marriage between a man and woman etc were mortal sins. The only one that still adheres to that is the Catholic Church. So tell me Paul, where in the bible did Jesus say that you are to follow my teachings, but after 1930 you can then do whatever you want to.
commented 2017-04-11 11:23:05 -0400
Most churches do not have the children (from babies to young adults) in the service, but in classrooms in other areas of the church so the adults can worship undisturbed.

In any case, where there is a child making noise in the service, employ your adult maturity and adult abilities and focus on the service while blocking out the noisy children. That’s called, “being an adult”.
commented 2017-04-11 11:06:13 -0400
If you want to Learn about the Creator God of the universe and what is required of you as a sinful human being to have an eternal relationship with Him you first must stop going to Mass at a Catholic Church!!
Do not go to a Catholic Church at all!!
They will teach you a works based salvation which is no salvation at all. (council of Trent)
That is idolatry (making a god in our own image).
Pick up your Bible at home and start reading(Gospel accounts first), then spend a lot of time on your knees asking God to change your prideful heart. Then ask God, since He is more than capable, to direct you to a body of believers that truly worships Him and obeys His word.
I am not going to tell you what Church to go to since the God I serve is more than capable of directing your path if you truly submit yourself to Him!
Love in Christ,
commented 2017-04-11 10:47:08 -0400
Yes, yes, yes. Parents, when your kid starts a _ _fit, leave the building so “Others” can hear the sermon. In a store, when I hear a little one melt down and start the screaming, why not leave Mom and Dad. My thoughts are, “Shut that kid up will you.” I always left with a screaming child, where ever I had gone. They knew the drill and clammed up when asked.