July 18, 2016

Study makes dubious claims about niqabs and lie detection — Is this just more sharia creep?

David MenziesMission Specialist

Occasionally, a study comes along with such eye-popping conclusions that even before you analyze the methodology or determine who funded the study, the dial on your B.S. detector speeds off into the Red Zone.

That happened when I saw a study by Dr. Amy-May Leach of the University of Ontario Institute of Technology in Oshawa on veiling and lie detection. It comes to a conclusion that runs contrary to conventional wisdom and law enforcement techniques.

Basically, the study contends that when someone veils their face with an identity-concealing niqab it’s actually easier to detect whether or not that individual is lying.

Recall a 2013 Supreme Court ruling that levied a ban on witnesses testifying while wearing niqabs, noting:

“There is a deeply-rooted presumption in our legal system that seeing a witness’s face is important to a fair trial.”

I think the Supremes got it right.

And Dr. Leach maintains the court got it wrong.

Watch as I explain and get an opinion from a law enforcement and security expert who suspects the unspoken agenda is sharia creep to normalize clothing associated with Islamic fundamentalists.

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commented 2016-07-19 21:22:29 -0400
You guys; it’s balaclava.
signed, the spellNazi
commented 2016-07-19 00:40:10 -0400
That’s right, and you said it yourself, ‘you are a Canadian’.
Tent wearers, et al…not so much.
commented 2016-07-18 23:07:41 -0400
Bella Clava? What about Ninjas?
commented 2016-07-18 15:28:58 -0400
We need to clean up our educational system for it is run by Marxist Communist Socialist deadbeats. These, so called educators, love the dogma of Islam. It mixes well with the dogma of Marxism.

Toss the Teachers and deport the Muslims. This is the only way that Canada can become what It once was. A civilized Country.
commented 2016-07-18 15:00:50 -0400
DAN MANCUSO commented 4 hours ago
Banning an item of clothing that is a cultural accessory (not a religious requirement) is inappropriate and ineffective.
Ban Islam! Now that would be effective…and appropriate!
I’m a Canadian and consider a balaclava a cultural accessory, yet I doff it in certain instances, such as entering a business or to renew my driver’s license.
commented 2016-07-18 14:17:15 -0400
Dr. Amy-May Leach is a mendacious fool. She should not be financed by our tax dollars. She should be black-listed and blocked from very questionable “research” and “studies”. Islam accepts lying (except to other Muslims); democratic Western societies do not endorse lying. Kick Leach off the public payroll.
commented 2016-07-18 13:30:56 -0400
Since 9/11 – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM: 31,354, Attacks, 199,123 Killed, 279,549 Injured.
commented 2016-07-18 12:46:29 -0400
Correction — Reports to David Menzies.
commented 2016-07-18 11:56:10 -0400
How often have we seen policies and practices developed and enforced because of the findings of one or very few so-called research studies. Confirmation Bias has commonly distorted whatever the findings were, and little to no effort is given to disproving the initial findings. That’s why professional science puts a strong effort on dis-proving theories, not just eagerly searching or creating presumed confirmation tidbits.
One logical application of this researcher’s proposal would be to allow all witnesses in a trial to phone in their responses; because apparently restricting evidence (facial gestures) to just the tone of voice would make assessment more accurate. And the researcher herself reports to Brian that a niqab is more likely associated with a religious and hence more honest person !! Isn’t that an element to distort the assessment of truth??
Bottom line – interesting but flawed research, and nevertheless, that’s not the way we do things here in Canada.
commented 2016-07-18 11:54:29 -0400
About a year ago I tried to buy a lottery ticket at a drugstore in downtown Calgary, and the fuzzy-cheeked salesclerk told me that I had to take off my sunglasses first so that he could verify that I am old enough. I told him that’s ridiculous, I’m pushing 60, as you can easily see. Two other employees immediately jumped in and pointed at the poster about the age requirement, squawking about how “he’s just doing his job.”
Sometimes you have to wonder if there’s something in the water…
commented 2016-07-18 11:25:50 -0400
Robert Raymond: I have pondered that question for a while now. I don’t think there would be equal treatment under the law. To make a point go on a government website and inquire about getting a grant and you will be asked several questions including which minority groups you belong to. The more the merrier. Even though this should be a clear violation of the charter they have found away around it ever since Bobby Rae introduced his employment hiring schemes back when he was in power in Ontario. I don’t think it was ever challenged in the court but should have been because now it is a clear license to disregard our basic equality under the law.
commented 2016-07-18 11:17:49 -0400
Banning an item of clothing that is a cultural accessory (not a religious requirement) is inappropriate and ineffective.
Ban Islam! Now that would be effective…and appropriate!
commented 2016-07-18 10:31:40 -0400
If there is one thing the Liberal government of Canada is good at is cherry picking data and then presenting it as evidence of their ideology. The criminals will always prevail when you have a criminal element working the back scenes to subvert public opinion. This has been the objective of the Liberal mafia from the get go. The fact that the Liberal government of Ontario has waved meat inspections for a specific religious demographic brings to question, is our health safety being subverted for accommodation of religious tolerance? Apparently not only does our Liberal governments put us at risk for not vetting their immigration they have also allowed our food safety system to be subverted putting all Canadians at risk. Have to ask, is this why we have many more listeria out breaks? When Canadians on home soil are attacked or begin dying from tainted meat or acts of terrorism there is only two leaders that should be hauled to prison and they are Justin Trudeau & Kathleen Wynne. As for any demographic in society that hides behind a disguise, religious or not the intent of the Vail is to hide the individual. It serves the same purpose as the sky mask. To hide the truth. The court and the accused should be visible. The supreme court got it right the first time. Someone please pull Dr. Leach’s grant. Money for value??? NOT for subversion.
commented 2016-07-18 10:25:32 -0400
Yet another example of socialist science. Decide your narrative. Develop a hypothesis phrased in the narrative. Create the data required by the narrative. Fudge the statistical analysis to force the data into the narrative. Conclude the narrative is correct. Cut off discussion by declaring the science settled.

It worked for the socialist science of global warming, why not for sharia?
commented 2016-07-18 10:22:04 -0400
So a cop pulls over a veil wearing Muslim driver for mowing. Down a bunch of people. She shows him her Ontario driver’s license on which we see a veiled picture of another Muslim.
Is the driver the woman on the license or her sister or maybe even her brother?
Cop can’t tell, so he may draw his gun and shoot the driver (that would certainly be his good dead for the week!).
Now the question arises, is it safe for people to wear a veil?
The next question we need to ask is “Can anyone cover their faces and should we start a national movement and have citizens doing so?”
How long before the authorities clamp down on non-Muslim citizens with face coverings and what legal ramifications would arise from this action?

Time to test our governments!

commented 2016-07-18 10:21:37 -0400
the issue is not to see their face when they are lying. The Presumption is that they will tell the truth. The reason you don’t wear a mask specially in a bank is so that you can be Identified, and if you do a crime, or you act wrong, people can Identify you and avoid you or not do business with you.
In lots of those crime shows, they get video of some guy or gall, and then say, the video wasn’t good, and I couldn’t see their face, or, they where hiding their face to avoid the cameras.
If you have someone wearing a black sheet over their whole body, they could be anyone. Bank Robbers have been doing that sort of thing to a degree since time began. for most of us, its a no brain-er. And the logic says, why are you covering your face. Its good to see someones joy or their frown. that was the reason for those muscles. So this lying bit is really a side issue.
Lets say you had a group and you where talking about a issue and everyone was covered in black, you would not be able address an issue. What do you say, Hey, you in the black didn’t you say this, or, hey you, third seat from the end. Getting name tags might help. Embroidering them on their face scarf might help, but the easy thing to do is not to wear a face scarf. not unless its negative 40 and the wind could rip your face off.
commented 2016-07-18 10:09:28 -0400
When the bitch wears the laundry over her face, there is no way to positively identify the bitch.

Good planning on the part of the islamic terrorists – no one can figure this out.
commented 2016-07-18 10:01:22 -0400
I will never accept the accommodation of Islam in Canada on any level. Any and all face covering should be banned, it’s only logical. Not to do it is entirely illogical. That crazy women Dr. Amy-May Leach, should have her competency level tested.
Who is going to buy that?!
commented 2016-07-18 09:50:52 -0400
I can’t even walk into most gas stations wearing sunglasses or a hooded shirt, and the liberal are doing their baseline junk science to back them up in the fight for this? Or course you need to see someone’s face to tell if they’re lying.
commented 2016-07-18 09:50:44 -0400
Muslims lie as a matter of course with or without a veil!

From Wikipedia
Taqiyya has also been politically legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shias, in order to maintain unity among Muslims and fraternity among the Shia clerics. Yarden Mariuma writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie.

commented 2016-07-18 09:41:02 -0400
I wonder why a Niqab would be superior to a Bella Clava. Rolls eyes.
commented 2016-07-18 09:16:29 -0400
Couldn’t agree with you more, David!