October 23, 2015

Surprise! Wynne confirms Ontario Registered Pension Plan coming despite Trudeau win

Brian LilleyArchive

Despite promises made during the last few weeks of the campaign, Kathleen Wynne says that she can't (won't?) stop plans to institute an Ontario Registered Pension Plan after all.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised since we all know that promises made by politicians aren't really worth anything.

It can't be denied that Wynne said if Justin became PM, she would not have to go ahead with her plans for the ORPP but now she says that not even a Prime Minister Trudeau can enhance the CPP without the cooperation of all of the Provinces. Or, maybe he told her to just go ahead because he can't fulfil his promise for many years either?

Whatever the case, this just shows we're in for a "fun" couple of years of watching both the Provincial and now Federal Liberals break promise, after promise while we the taxpayers, are left with nothing but buyer's remorse.


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commented 2015-10-25 01:48:59 -0400
Sheldon, everything you have identified is covered by commenters here, but the only criterion for commenting should be truth, which, BTW, you can expect the incoming progressive AGW socialist dictatorship of JT to suppress.
commented 2015-10-25 00:40:51 -0400
The Great Myth of Climate Change:

I don’t know why you have to go on a tirade of personal attacks. If you don’t like Trudeau because you don’t think he is right for the PMO or you disagree with the liberal philosophy or Liberal party than write about that. If you disagree with gay relationships based on moral principles then explain it. You can say whatever you want of course but it is difficult to identify anything redeeming in a purely emotional response. I would encourage you to think through and past your feelings to what it is you disagree with. I think you will find it challenging but very beneficial and rewarding. I hope you accept this with the humility and honesty with which it is intended.
commented 2015-10-24 23:44:12 -0400
Its just another revenue stream for that thief.
commented 2015-10-24 20:24:52 -0400
Preston Manning must have sold his soul to get this ball rolling. Kill the heart the body will die. A year ago this was a great place to live.
commented 2015-10-24 20:12:06 -0400
We need two Prime Ministers. One in the east and one in the west
commented 2015-10-24 19:47:46 -0400
“Twin Sisters or Twin Brothers?”
Twin brothers, one with a tie the other in drag.
commented 2015-10-24 19:25:24 -0400
Those that believe Wynne will not continue through with the Ontario pension even after the Liberals increase the CPP are fools. Wynne is a liar and a thief.
commented 2015-10-24 19:18:02 -0400
The Image that heads this page, with Trudy and Wynne holding hands. Can’t quite decide, do they look like Twin Sisters or Twin Brothers?
commented 2015-10-24 19:07:19 -0400
The Liberals and NDP should merge and rename themselves the BRP: Buyer’s Remorse Party. But that won’t happen because that would be injecting an element of honesty into their political culture, which is forever cast in dishonesty.
commented 2015-10-24 18:54:33 -0400
Surprise! The fools in Ontario who voted Liberal are going to get exactly what they deserve: Wynne in the wallets. Just like the fools in Alberta who voted NDP are getting what they deserve: unemployment and poverty. Which is what the fools who voted for JT are also going to get, along with the most repressive regime ever to govern this country.
commented 2015-10-24 16:03:17 -0400
Well, no surprise to me. Knew it is about “trickle down revenue”. I think Canada might benefit adopting such laws the Brazilian government is currently considering using against its president for doing just that.
commented 2015-10-24 14:05:43 -0400
Actually, she said she is proceeding with it until it is clear whether other provinces are on board with a national plan. Absent the national plan, she is ready to follow through with the commitment made to Ontarians during the last election, but will bail on that if, and only if, there is a national plan.

But don’t let that get in the way of scoring BS points. Not like you’re partisan or anything. So unbiased.
commented 2015-10-23 23:52:46 -0400
I wonder how long it will be before the people who voted for Wynne’s party is going to feel remorse?

If you want a chuckle:
Q: Have we not seen a bunch of victories for the left in Canada in recent years?
A: I govern from the centre; I talk about the activist centre. That’s where I am most comfortable.… I think that’s a part of the political spectrum where many Canadians are comfortable. We’re not ideological. We don’t believe only in one part of society. We believe it’s very important to balance the needs of all parts of society, recognize that people who create businesses and create wealth are extremely important because they create jobs, recognize that people who don’t have huge advantages need the support of government and need some support in terms of what government can provide, things we can’t do by ourselves — retirement security is a perfect example of that.
Center? She is more left than Horwath.
commented 2015-10-23 22:55:19 -0400
You just can’t trust these liberals esp Wynne.
commented 2015-10-23 22:40:53 -0400
@ Keith Barnes – actually looking at Wynne – I think she is a he dressed in drag – s/he looks more manly than most men on the street
commented 2015-10-23 20:49:52 -0400
Cathy Rochford – I had the same thoughts about Joan!
commented 2015-10-23 20:28:38 -0400
Nathan W wrote «presumably if/when the CPP expansion occurs across Canada she will get on board and scrap the Ontario plan»

Wynne can’t scrap the Ontario plan because the two plans have very different purposes. The CPP is actually run very well by an independent agency whose objective is to get strong, long-term returns on its investments. I wouldn’t actually mind contributing more to it if it were defined-contribution-based rather than defined-benefit. However, the purpose of the Ontario plan is as a “revenue tool” for the government to raid for its continuing series of boondoggled infrastructure projects. The “investments” will be squandered and when it comes time for you to withdraw from it, you’ll get an a shoulder shrug instead of cash. Ontarians will either get both plans or an exemption on the federal plan because they’ve been gouged by the provincial plan. The Wynne cash grab isn’t going anywhere.
commented 2015-10-23 19:37:36 -0400
Deborah, Wynner should be in the orange jump suit for putting Ontario into debt and for her new sex ed for little school children. I still get the creeps thinking about that perverted sex ed influencing small children. Then her and her perverted child porn buddy Ben can try to figure out what went wrong. By the way, whatever happened to the loud mouth Joan Abernathy who was constantly spreading her long winded perverted BS support of her hero Wynne regarding the lgbt childhood sex ed. Figured she was a tool of the provincial liberals that was used until the homosexual ed went through in September.
commented 2015-10-23 17:39:51 -0400
George Dyer,

Just make sure that you don’t get admitted to Hospital, in Ontario. Have heard that they are eliminating Senior Citizens to save on Pension Money.
I to am a Senior living in the Province of Perverts ON..
commented 2015-10-23 16:46:58 -0400
Eileen McRae commented –
“Perhaps, Wynne cannot cancel her plans because she could face an investigation by Elections Canada of attempting to bribe the Ontario electorate by her promise of rescinding her plans to implement the ORPP. A good investigative journalist should start digging on this one.”

Eileen, I think you may be on to something! It certainly does smell of bribery, or collusion. Something definitely doesn’t seem right here.
commented 2015-10-23 16:21:05 -0400
I usually try to avoid that four letter ‘F’ word but here goes; It’s not fair, it’s just not fair.

Scrapping this ponzi scheme was going to be the one little silver lining within the cloud of the Liberal’s election victory. This won’t affect me now, but I hope that my fellow Ontarians who are heading towards retirement realize that to make their initial contribution to this scam they will first be required to earn a dollar, which will immediately get taxed, say, 25 cents. So now they can expect that remaining 75 cents to be “returned” to them upon retirement.

But wait a minute if, like me, you are otherwise a low income senior then you will also be receiving the Guaranteed Income Supplement, but (broadly speaking) the Supplement gets clawed back by 50 cents for every dollar of additional income above OAS and CPP pensions so now our original dollar will be down to anything between 25 and 50 cents.

What’s more, if this ORPP also happens to bring your total pension into the range of being taxable . . . where are we now? I’ve lost track, but I think I’m reasonably showing that contributors will be pretty close to being in the hole, and that’s without even getting into the effect of an employer’s contribution.

Of course everyone’s situation is different, so in generalizing I’ve had to play a bit fast and loose with the arithmetic but I’m sure, dear readers, you all get my drift.

I mentioned earlier that this won’t affect me now, but I currently experience something similar. As an immigrant to Canada I don’t receive a full OAS pension (that’s not a complaint, just a matter of fact) but I do receive a modest UK pension as a result of working there earlier in my life. This little additional pension affects my Canadian GIS in exactly the way that I’m suggesting the ORRP would.

RRSP’s can have a similar effect on pension incomes, which is why the great alternative to this rip-off was the Conservative’s Tax Free Savings Account. Those Liberal critics who said that TFSA’s benefit only the wealthy and that us poor folks would be better off with RRSP’s have it back-asswords. They are either liars, or they are ignorant, or they are stupid.

Did the brain-dead Liberal zombies think that Prime Minister Harper was just opening his mouth and letting his stomach rumble when he told us that he was dead set against this and that it was dumber than dirt?

So come on Kathleen, for once in your miserable, lying, cheating, thieving, pathetic life, keep at least one promise.
commented 2015-10-23 16:11:13 -0400
Perhaps, Wynne cannot cancel her plans because she could face an investigation by Elections Canada of attempting to bribe the Ontario electorate by her promise of rescinding her plans to implement the ORPP. A good investigative journalist should start digging on this one.
commented 2015-10-23 15:15:24 -0400
Too bad Ontario. Such a shell of what it once was.
commented 2015-10-23 15:07:14 -0400
“Kinda BS.” Kinda? Yes BS or No BS, can’t be both, that’s a contradiction.
commented 2015-10-23 14:57:31 -0400
Bravo, you would be correct. But also remember California has the same population as all of Canada. Now only 10 million people have to pay that debt back not 33 million. Ontario is so screwed for generations to come.
commented 2015-10-23 14:43:23 -0400
All subsidies are created from taxes – and yes I know it comes from a different budget -0 however I wish welfare would come under such close scrutiny

No one ever seems to worry about it – because it is essentially unlimited.

Just another tax from the libs – wait for it – many more coming.

Ontario has the largest per capita debt in North America if memory serves me correctly – even beating out welfare state of California.
commented 2015-10-23 14:39:06 -0400
Kinda BS. Trudeau won’t expand the CPP unless the other provinces are on board. So, she’s reverting to her promise to Ontario voters, and presumably if/when the CPP expansion occurs across Canada she will get on board and scrap the Ontario plan.
commented 2015-10-23 14:20:07 -0400
Next week is the Alberta provincial budget. We can then find out for certain which government is closer to the center on the political needle, Ontario or Alberta.
commented 2015-10-23 14:20:06 -0400
Next week is the Alberta provincial budget. We can then find out for certain which government is closer to the center on the political needle, Ontario or Alberta.
commented 2015-10-23 14:15:39 -0400
I saw through that lie long before this

She is not only a liar she is a cheat and a thief